Phenom 2 at 6Ghz(!)

[Raqia]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Raqia
See:

http://www.guru3d.com/news/core-i7-singapore/

AMD is probably doing better this time since there's a lot of third party verification that Shanghai / Phenom II are good parts. I'll still wait for the launch launch though.

the only reason i view this as desperation is because of these widely publicized demos and this slide: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2238/phen24zi1.jpg

otherwise it'd be just another publicity stunt. so-called headroom is entirely part dependent, making claims on headroom is by definition highly misleading.

It feels more like they're trying to let the public know they have a good product in light of a currently underachieving one; Intel did very similar things with the early previews of Conroe when Pentium 4's were getting panned by enthusiasts. It is a bit disturbing that they're not showing off many apples to apples benches though. I'll wait for launch or atleast a better review before jumping to any conclusions.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Anyway, what kind of voltage do we need for core 2 quads to hit 4GHz?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Edit: I just hit 1400 post. I want my life back dammit!

dont make us 5k+ post people pwn you.

getting close to 10k here...


But yes, we are getting OT. Lets get back to how incredible this new chip could be !

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Anyway, what kind of voltage do we need for core 2 quads to hit 4GHz?

1.4 I think I have seen, aigo knows for sure....

 

[Cookie Monster]

Pics of the overclocking event and the systems

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Raqia

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Raqia
See:

http://www.guru3d.com/news/core-i7-singapore/

AMD is probably doing better this time since there's a lot of third party verification that Shanghai / Phenom II are good parts. I'll still wait for the launch launch though.

the only reason i view this as desperation is because of these widely publicized demos and this slide: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2238/phen24zi1.jpg

otherwise it'd be just another publicity stunt. so-called headroom is entirely part dependent, making claims on headroom is by definition highly misleading.

It feels more like they're trying to let the public know they have a good product in light of a currently underachieving one; Intel did very similar things with the early previews of Conroe when Pentium 4's were getting panned by enthusiasts. I'll wait for launch or atleast a better review before coming to any conclusions though.

Agreed. I take this as AMD trying to show that Phenom 2 is going to be better then Phenom 1. Of course the proof will be after launch and we can see how they routinely do in users hands.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Anyway, what kind of voltage do we need for core 2 quads to hit 4GHz?

depends on the quad, and your chipset.

on average a good q6600 can hold 4 @ 1.47-1.5V [water territory]
Great ones will do it at around 1.4.

For yorkfield, ive seen as low as 1.275 holding 4.0 on an E0 Q9650.

My QX9650 will require 1.4V to hold 4.1ghz stable... 4.1 and 4.0 both require same voltage... :\

Old Q9550's C1's cant do 4, but the new ones can with about 1.375.


Wait... why did we bring intel into this thread? Sorry for the derailment once again mark...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Edit: I just hit 1400 post. I want my life back dammit!

dont make us 5k+ post people pwn you.

getting close to 10k here...


But yes, we are getting OT. Lets get back to how incredible this new chip could be !

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Anyway, what kind of voltage do we need for core 2 quads to hit 4GHz?

1.4 I think I have seen, aigo knows for sure....

That is alright....I own all you bitches....

hahahaha

 

[Duvie]

Bottomline for me....NOt really impressed by any of it yet....Intel or AMD...

As I already mentioned in some i7 threads I can barely find strong uses for my quad core now at a paltry 3.2ghz. I dont need to be 4ghz let alone 5 or 6ghz yet. WE NEED ADVANCES IN THE OTHER HARDWARE ALREADY!

I need and want faster drives. Processing power I have overkill of now. A Bunch of my fancy CAD software wont take much advantage over 2 cores anyways....


I would get back into folding if they made my investments tax deductible as a charity (which it is), and then the cpu power would be useful....though it looks like the nvidia video cards are kicking all of the cpu's asses on that anyways. So basically I dont see much of ause for the clock race in quad cores now....


By the way does the Phenom 2 run 8 threads?

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Duvie
By the way does the Phenom 2 run 8 threads?

Nope, Hyperthreading is so far a Intel only technology. I suspect we may see SMT (The generic term for HT) enabled by the time AMD goes 32 nm.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Duvie
By the way does the Phenom 2 run 8 threads?

Nope, Hyperthreading is so far a Intel only technology. I suspect we may see SMT (The generic term for HT) enabled by the time AMD goes 32 nm.

Well if that is the case this seems like " a no comparison "...sorry no AMD win....

because if someone actually has much of a use for an even faster quadcore then they likely can take advantage of 8 threads and thus AMD cannot compete.

That being said I do like AMDs pricing better, and I would certainly start building some systems for people if they up their clock for clock comparison against INtel...

INtel has gotten greedy again as the prices on some of the chips just dont seem to have moved in nearly a year....or not as much....with the economy the way it is, here is to hoping the chips come back to reasonable prices again. Along with the flipping motherboards that are getting astronomical again....Gotta love memory prices though!!!!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Duvie
By the way does the Phenom 2 run 8 threads?

Nope, Hyperthreading is so far a Intel only technology. I suspect we may see SMT (The generic term for HT) enabled by the time AMD goes 32 nm.

Well if that is the case this seems like " a no comparison "...sorry no AMD win....

because if someone actually has much of a use for an even faster quadcore then they likely can take advantage of 8 threads and thus AMD cannot compete.

That being said I do like AMDs pricing better, and I would certainly start building some systems for people if they up their clock for clock comparison against INtel...

INtel has gotten greedy again as the prices on some of the chips just dont seem to have moved in nearly a year....or not as much....with the economy the way it is, here is to hoping the chips come back to reasonable prices again. Along with the flipping motherboards that are getting astronomical again....Gotta love memory prices though!!!!

EDIT:

GO TEXAS TECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BLaber

Originally posted by: Phynaz

Suicide run.

A demo put on for Journalists by AMD. Not all cores loaded.

Remeber the 3Ghz Phenom demo?

Man don't you get tired of bashing AMD ever , every single post of yours in AMD thread is just bal bla bla AMD SUCKS..... Bla Bla ................. :disgust:

Where does he say AMD sucks in his post you just quoted? Oh, that's right. He didn't. I agree with him that the 6GHz run at 1.9v was a suicide run. In other words, they just wanted to see how high they could go and didn't care about burning up the chip. Suicide run.

At any rate, you'll have to wear some thicker skin for a bit longer, at least until AMD proves themselves competitive again with Deneb/Shanghai. So far, if these cores are not absolute maraschino cherries ( I think they just might be, don't you?), AMD is looking to get back into the game. Well see soon enough. I'm in the market for a new Deneb if my mobo supports it.

Everyone knows it is a suicide run, (almost everyone)look at the i7 suicide runs already(We are talking about a PhenomII suicide run). Look at every single LN2 cooling system.

Are you honestly not telling us the obvious? (I was telling BLaber, that is what should have been obvious). The fact of the matter is that Phynaz hangs around every AMD thread and is always negative.(speaking of perpetual negativity and the like, all one has to do is look at your sig. Nothing but hate there.) Since a company sponsoring you is AMD's competitor I would not expect you to see clearly. (I could ask anyone here who really isn't seeing clearly and over-reacting)

To Idontcare, skepticism has its place in forums. To come out right and place a negative tone in every thread is silly.(But isn't this exactly what you do? Like right now for instance?) His previous post already show he is anti-amd.(And your pro AMD. So where do we stand besides you on your soapbox?) I think everyone understands what 1 + 1 is... (What does this even mean?)

All my comments in bold and in parenthesis above.

Knock off the hatin bud. It's evident everytime to address me in these forums. And evident that you have a personal vendetta indicated by your sig. You can probably say that you have those remarks in your sig to let everyone know something you need them to know, but it goes a bit further than that. I wonder if I'm the only one who looked at your post here, and said, "Where the heck did that come from?".
So please knock the chip off your shoulder, and lets get along. No more sour remarks.
Is that doable?

And I'll make a formal request to the administration and ask them to remove your sig. I feel more and more that it is more than just information, and now I feel that it is just a constant call out. I advertise who i'm affiliated with. It's public and has been since the beginning. Yours is just malicious. See you in PFI.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Duvie
By the way does the Phenom 2 run 8 threads?

Nope, Hyperthreading is so far a Intel only technology. I suspect we may see SMT (The generic term for HT) enabled by the time AMD goes 32 nm.

Well if that is the case this seems like " a no comparison "...sorry no AMD win....

because if someone actually has much of a use for an even faster quadcore then they likely can take advantage of 8 threads and thus AMD cannot compete.

I don't know about that, I would think that if someone truely needed to efficiently run 8 threads then they'd much rather use a workstation with 8 ture cores, not Hyperthreading.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Duvie
By the way does the Phenom 2 run 8 threads?

Nope, Hyperthreading is so far a Intel only technology. I suspect we may see SMT (The generic term for HT) enabled by the time AMD goes 32 nm.

Well if that is the case this seems like " a no comparison "...sorry no AMD win....

because if someone actually has much of a use for an even faster quadcore then they likely can take advantage of 8 threads and thus AMD cannot compete.

I don't know about that, I would think that if someone truely needed to efficiently run 8 threads then they'd much rather use a workstation with 8 ture cores, not Hyperthreading.

Not likely for the price.....nehalem 8 threads is really seen as a quad core with a little extra for bonus....what is AMD giving us extra? That is the comparison I am making. Not talking business machines just desktops for which the phenom 2 and core i7 are targeting.

I have already said I dont have a use for that much power so this whole race of speed and 8 threads is already lost on me....and I haven't been able to say that since I started building my own and ocing back in 1998.

I have had the QX6700 since DEC of 2006 and I think it is going to be useful for me for at least another year or two

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Anyway, what kind of voltage do we need for core 2 quads to hit 4GHz?

depends on the quad, and your chipset.

on average a good q6600 can hold 4 @ 1.47-1.5V [water territory]
Great ones will do it at around 1.4.

For yorkfield, ive seen as low as 1.275 holding 4.0 on an E0 Q9650.

My QX9650 will require 1.4V to hold 4.1ghz stable... 4.1 and 4.0 both require same voltage... :\

Old Q9550's C1's cant do 4, but the new ones can with about 1.375.


Wait... why did we bring intel into this thread? Sorry for the derailment once again mark...

Just wanted to see a comparison between the two chips when it comes to vcore (overclocking).

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Well if that is the case this seems like " a no comparison "...sorry no AMD win....

because if someone actually has much of a use for an even faster quadcore then they likely can take advantage of 8 threads and thus AMD cannot compete.

That being said I do like AMDs pricing better, and I would certainly start building some systems for people if they up their clock for clock comparison against INtel...

INtel has gotten greedy again as the prices on some of the chips just dont seem to have moved in nearly a year....or not as much....with the economy the way it is, here is to hoping the chips come back to reasonable prices again. Along with the flipping motherboards that are getting astronomical again....Gotta love memory prices though!!!!

One question, can you name me any mainstream software that actually uses more than 2 threads, much less eight? I guarantee you probably could count it on one hand, if that many mainstream programs exist at all. Eight threads is not a deal breaker for the majority of people.

OFF TOPIC ALERT!!!!!!!!!

Texas Tech sucks. But if that is not enough reason to worry, Stoops has only lost 2 games at home in the decade he has been coaching OU. The odds are greatly in our favor tomorrow.

BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Nathelion
Those kinds of speeds (and those kinds of voltages) are usually only sustained for just long enough to boot into windows and get a screenshot. The chip is most likely far from fully stable, and would die within hours at most if kept at those voltages.

Edit: Keep in mind that Prescott reached 8 GHz+ on LN cooling.

which makes the 6ghz figure seem poor by comparison

suicide runs mean nothing.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Duvie

Well if that is the case this seems like " a no comparison "...sorry no AMD win....

because if someone actually has much of a use for an even faster quadcore then they likely can take advantage of 8 threads and thus AMD cannot compete.

That being said I do like AMDs pricing better, and I would certainly start building some systems for people if they up their clock for clock comparison against INtel...

INtel has gotten greedy again as the prices on some of the chips just dont seem to have moved in nearly a year....or not as much....with the economy the way it is, here is to hoping the chips come back to reasonable prices again. Along with the flipping motherboards that are getting astronomical again....Gotta love memory prices though!!!!

One question, can you name me any mainstream software that actually uses more than 2 threads, much less eight? I guarantee you probably could count it on one hand, if that many mainstream programs exist at all. Eight threads is not a deal breaker for the majority of people.

OFF TOPIC ALERT!!!!!!!!!

Texas Tech sucks. But if that is not enough reason to worry, Stoops has only lost 2 games at home in the decade he has been coaching OU. The odds are greatly in our favor tomorrow.

BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!

Well I do video editing and some 3d cad work so 5 isn't tough...

Pinnacle Studio 10 took advantage of 4 cores with my intel and my dual opterons
Pinnacle studio 12 ultimate pegs all of my cores now with AVCHD encodings
Ulead movie software that came with my HG10 hidef camcorder
DVDShrink from a rip on the HDD with deep analysis (anything off optic drives is IO limited)
3dsmax9 when rendering (even a few older version)
ADT 2004 when rendering will use 3 cores and show no difference with 4 cores
pretty much most apps that currently do H.264

This is the extent of what I do now....but video processing and editing, and CAD 3d world are likely the leaders in this type of SMT programming. that being said I know based on my older testing with slower cores that I am becoming more and more IO limited and I am running a RAID setup. So faster quads are likely going to show little gain running my same apps on my setup...

Folding at Home SMP client will peg all available cores

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Duvie

INtel has gotten greedy again as the prices on some of the chips just dont seem to have moved in nearly a year....or not as much....with the economy the way it is, here is to hoping the chips come back to reasonable prices again. Along with the flipping motherboards that are getting astronomical again....Gotta love memory prices though!!!!

What planet do you shop for processors on? It is one of the best times EVER to build a system as far as price/performance. There have also been 25% + price drops just this year on many chips.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Concillian

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
How can they run this chip with 1.9v. Wouldn't that kill it extremely fast?

The people doing this kind of thing only needs it to last as long as the Liquid N2 in the tank.

lol

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Duvie

INtel has gotten greedy again as the prices on some of the chips just dont seem to have moved in nearly a year....or not as much....with the economy the way it is, here is to hoping the chips come back to reasonable prices again. Along with the flipping motherboards that are getting astronomical again....Gotta love memory prices though!!!!

What planet do you shop for processors on? It is one of the best times EVER to build a system as far as price/performance. There have also been 25% + price drops just this year on many chips.

CPU's? Sure. Never been a better time to buy a really good CPU for not that much money. But some of the mobo's out there? Yeesh. Prices are getting beefier and beefier these last two years. Anything with the word "Deluxe" after it, and whammo.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Well I do video editing and some 3d cad work so 5 isn't tough...

Pinnacle Studio 10 took advantage of 4 cores with my intel and my dual opterons
Pinnacle studio 12 ultimate pegs all of my cores now with AVCHD encodings
Ulead movie software that came with my HG10 hidef camcorder
DVDShrink from a rip on the HDD with deep analysis (anything off optic drives is IO limited)
3dsmax9 when rendering (even a few older version)
ADT 2004 when rendering will use 3 cores and show no difference with 4 cores
pretty much most apps that currently do H.264

This is the extent of what I do now....but video processing and editing, and CAD 3d world are likely the leaders in this type of SMT programming. that being said I know based on my older testing with slower cores that I am becoming more and more IO limited and I am running a RAID setup. So faster quads are likely going to show little gain running my same apps on my setup...

Folding at Home SMP client will peg all available cores

So what is mainstream about video editing and 3d cad work? Very few computer users ever touch that type of software. You have just proved my point for me that multithreaded software is something only the most hardcore of enthusiast will ever see.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Duvie
Well I do video editing and some 3d cad work so 5 isn't tough...

Pinnacle Studio 10 took advantage of 4 cores with my intel and my dual opterons
Pinnacle studio 12 ultimate pegs all of my cores now with AVCHD encodings
Ulead movie software that came with my HG10 hidef camcorder
DVDShrink from a rip on the HDD with deep analysis (anything off optic drives is IO limited)
3dsmax9 when rendering (even a few older version)
ADT 2004 when rendering will use 3 cores and show no difference with 4 cores
pretty much most apps that currently do H.264

This is the extent of what I do now....but video processing and editing, and CAD 3d world are likely the leaders in this type of SMT programming. that being said I know based on my older testing with slower cores that I am becoming more and more IO limited and I am running a RAID setup. So faster quads are likely going to show little gain running my same apps on my setup...

Folding at Home SMP client will peg all available cores

So what is mainstream about video editing and 3d cad work? Very few computer users ever touch that type of software. You have just proved my point for me that multithreaded software is something only the most hardcore of enthusiast will ever see.

Really? More and more games are using it. Isnt Vista 64 multi threaded? The ghz wars are over. The software will catch up at some point.

 

[ZOXXO]

Originally posted by: soonerproud


So what is mainstream about video editing and 3d cad work? Very few computer users ever touch that type of software. You have just proved my point for me that multithreaded software is something only the most hardcore of enthusiast will ever see.

Someone captures and encodes all those You Tube videos.

Judging by the image quality and content, they appear to come from the average Joe computer user.

Mainstream enough?

 

[thilanliyan]

Was it actually at 6.3 GHz (!!!)
http://www.crn.com/hardware/212101254

"Respecting AMD's wishes, we'll just point out that PC Perspective's story now says, "The Phenom II reached WELL over 5.x GHz (read: REALLY over)." And another source gives a more specific number -- 6.3GHz, though again, that could not be confirmed by AMD. "