Phenom II x3 710 run with 4 core!

[taltamir]

its quite curious why AMD didn't test their own hardware on their own software first

Time and money

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: SunnyD
...in fact even the original Phenoms had the DDR3 controllers.

This is news to me, I had not realized this. Interesting.

Makes me all the more intrigued by the delay of introducing AM3/DDR3 Deneb's then if they've had an even longer learning cycle with DDR3 IMC than I was giving them credit for until now.

It wasn't enabled in the original Phenom's because DDR3 wasn't final spec at that point.

 

[betasub]

Originally posted by: taltamir
.. ooh, and honda can hire people to beat new cars with bats to corner the low end "damaged car" market.

C'mon, plenty of car manufacturer's sell versions with de-tuned engines to hit a lower price point than their premium model.

And it's not very different from re-assigning high-end CPUs to a different multiplier bin if there's strong market demand for a particular price-point.

 

[taltamir]

de tuned? are you telling me that they have someone intentionally de tune the engine to lower its capability?

 

[dingleberrydorkbutt]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
This may put some credibility into the guy that had the Kuma that unlocked magically a couple times into a quad a couple weeks ago.

Put some credibility?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: dingleberrydorkbutt

Originally posted by: SunnyD
This may put some credibility into the guy that had the Kuma that unlocked magically a couple times into a quad a couple weeks ago.

Put some credibility?

Meaning that your ES chip wasn't special in regards to unlocking the fourth core versus retail X3's...SunnyD is not intentionally implying YOUR credibility was in question.

It reads that way in the literal sense though so I understand your questioning it, but the spirit of the discussion was surrounding the ES vs Retail details, not dingleberrydorkbutt vs. photochop credibility concern.

(note - we do however continue to reserve the right to question the credibility of any poster who dubs themselves a dingleberry of any kind )

 

[dingleberrydorkbutt]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: dingleberrydorkbutt

Originally posted by: SunnyD
This may put some credibility into the guy that had the Kuma that unlocked magically a couple times into a quad a couple weeks ago.

Put some credibility?

Meaning that your ES chip wasn't special in regards to unlocking the fourth core versus retail X3's...SunnyD is not intentionally implying YOUR credibility was in question.

Oh.

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: dingleberrydorkbutt

Originally posted by: SunnyD
This may put some credibility into the guy that had the Kuma that unlocked magically a couple times into a quad a couple weeks ago.

Put some credibility?

(note - we do however continue to reserve the right to question the credibility of any poster who dubs themselves a dingleberry of any kind )

Doh!

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: taltamir
de tuned? are you telling me that they have someone intentionally de tune the engine to lower its capability?

definitely...

case in point. 2006 BMW 325i and 330i.

both have a 3.0 L n54 inline 6. In europe and canada (the 323i) the 325i has a 2.5L but it wont pass smog in america.


So in america, the 325i got a 1 stage intake and a crappier exhaust and prouced 215hp. the 330i 255hp.

the next year they got rid of the 330i and put turbos on it, and made a "328i" which is still the same engine as the 325i with the same intakes and exhaust which has allegedly 230hp.

But they really are exactly the same and just marked lower. THe 325/328i also have worse engine timings than the 330i did.

Hell the 335i is detuned and can get a ECU flash to 350+hp, but then its stepping on the m3.

another example of this is differente versions of the i-4 in the hyundai genesis cuope, evo X, lancer ralliart, and some GM cars. all different levels of boost to differentiate output (well to be fair some have actual different turbochargerS)

 

[taltamir]

I understand they have different outputs, but did they actually take a better engine and spend money to lower its capacity, or did they skimp on small costs which could have made it better.

 

[imported_Asianman]

Most times, they take a basic engine and take time and money to uptune it, not down tune. although in certain cases like the E90 3 series, its the other way round. And isn't this getting a little off the topic?

 

[oldman420]

wow is all i can say

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I'm not sure, maybe you're right, but this can't be compared to overclocking. There's thousands of ppl who overclock, and I've never heard any horror story's about corrupted files. That would mean that a orthos prime test is a bad way of measuring the core's stability or instability. Coz orthos prima, intels burn test etc seem to be working just fine in determining your overclocks stability.

You've never heard of file corruption due to overclocking even when prime stable? You should spend time in #windows irc on efnet for 15 years like me. Then you'd have about 500 examples of it happening. I generally ask people if they're overclocking as my first question when someone reports CRC errors in event viewer, EVEN when prime stable, EVEN when memtest passes with flying colors. In 9 out of 10 cases, yes, the person was overclocking. Only rarely is a faulty motherboard, drive controller or HD itself the cause of the corruption problems.

Granted, many of these people were doing blind, auto voltage type overclocks, but some of the people claimed to be experienced overlclockers. IN fact on this very forum I've seen advice given countless times to always install windows fresh after achieving a "stable" overclock because of the high probability of data corruption. This is a big concern even with stable overclocks especially since OC degradation isn't unheard of.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Denithor
Couldn't be as bad as Probabilistic CPUs.

I can see those corrupting your data in a matter of minutes, not weeks/months.

Besides, if you unlock that fourth core and run linpack/occt/etc without errors - wouldn't that prove it's fully functional & stable?

Nope. Linpack/OCCT/etc only prove that the CPU can pass those tests. That is all.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: taltamir
de tuned? are you telling me that they have someone intentionally de tune the engine to lower its capability?

Buy a ferrari or lambo in some places. Enjoy your speed limiter.