Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
Originally posted by: apoppin
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
What would 5.0 GHz do for Phenom II?
- hypothetically ??
IF somehow AMD got Phenom II to those speeds - at *stock* - in mid-2010; how would it compare - performance wise, then - against stock i7?
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
What would 5.0 GHz do for Phenom II?
- hypothetically ??
IF somehow AMD got Phenom II to those speeds - at *stock* - in mid-2010; how would it compare - performance wise, then - against stock i7?
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
It still would be plenty fast for all gaming.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
What would 5.0 GHz do for Phenom II?
- hypothetically ??
IF somehow AMD got Phenom II to those speeds - at *stock* - in mid-2010; how would it compare - performance wise, then - against stock i7?
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
It still would be plenty fast for all gaming.
Phenom II X4 is plenty fast for all gaming - now - if overclocked near 4.0 GHz
- all but perhaps TriSLi - then you want overclocked i7
What i was getting at; my point - was that i7 seems to have a 20% advantage or so - when you go clock for clock
- IF AMD was able to ramp up clockspeeds - like P4 Extreme Edition did in the old Athlon 64 days - they might be able to give i7 a run performance wise; certainly in gaming if they got near 5.0 GHz - TriSLi would Fly.
Originally posted by: Atechie
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
What would 5.0 GHz do for Phenom II?
- hypothetically ??
IF somehow AMD got Phenom II to those speeds - at *stock* - in mid-2010; how would it compare - performance wise, then - against stock i7?
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
It still would be plenty fast for all gaming.
Phenom II X4 is plenty fast for all gaming - now - if overclocked near 4.0 GHz
- all but perhaps TriSLi - then you want overclocked i7
What i was getting at; my point - was that i7 seems to have a 20% advantage or so - when you go clock for clock
- IF AMD was able to ramp up clockspeeds - like P4 Extreme Edition did in the old Athlon 64 days - they might be able to give i7 a run performance wise; certainly in gaming if they got near 5.0 GHz - TriSLi would Fly.
So not true:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com...with-18-CPUs/Practice/
Expect that picture to become more obvious the longer time passes.
Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Originally posted by: Atechie
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
What would 5.0 GHz do for Phenom II?
- hypothetically ??
IF somehow AMD got Phenom II to those speeds - at *stock* - in mid-2010; how would it compare - performance wise, then - against stock i7?
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
It still would be plenty fast for all gaming.
Phenom II X4 is plenty fast for all gaming - now - if overclocked near 4.0 GHz
- all but perhaps TriSLi - then you want overclocked i7
What i was getting at; my point - was that i7 seems to have a 20% advantage or so - when you go clock for clock
- IF AMD was able to ramp up clockspeeds - like P4 Extreme Edition did in the old Athlon 64 days - they might be able to give i7 a run performance wise; certainly in gaming if they got near 5.0 GHz - TriSLi would Fly.
So not true:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com...with-18-CPUs/Practice/
Expect that picture to become more obvious the longer time passes.
In gaming the P2 is an excellent choice, it varies on games but as you can see the P2 955 actually beats the I7 920 in Fallout3 and L4Dead (by a very small margin) but it demonstrates what a 3.2ghz Deneb can do - a frequency all Denebs can surpass easily with a little OCing. Then we have the recently released 965, which will push down 955 prices and come stock clocked at 3.4ghz,
Originally posted by: Atechie
Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Originally posted by: Atechie
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
What would 5.0 GHz do for Phenom II?
- hypothetically ??
IF somehow AMD got Phenom II to those speeds - at *stock* - in mid-2010; how would it compare - performance wise, then - against stock i7?
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
It still would be plenty fast for all gaming.
Phenom II X4 is plenty fast for all gaming - now - if overclocked near 4.0 GHz
- all but perhaps TriSLi - then you want overclocked i7
What i was getting at; my point - was that i7 seems to have a 20% advantage or so - when you go clock for clock
- IF AMD was able to ramp up clockspeeds - like P4 Extreme Edition did in the old Athlon 64 days - they might be able to give i7 a run performance wise; certainly in gaming if they got near 5.0 GHz - TriSLi would Fly.
So not true:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com...with-18-CPUs/Practice/
Expect that picture to become more obvious the longer time passes.
In gaming the P2 is an excellent choice, it varies on games but as you can see the P2 955 actually beats the I7 920 in Fallout3 and L4Dead (by a very small margin) but it demonstrates what a 3.2ghz Deneb can do - a frequency all Denebs can surpass easily with a little OCing. Then we have the recently released 965, which will push down 955 prices and come stock clocked at 3.4ghz,
I linked to a multicore game...the trend of the future, you failed at relalizing that, I don't care about GPU limited benches when we are talking CPU performance.
Run those test again with the comming GPU and the test will look very differently...
Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Originally posted by: Atechie
Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Originally posted by: Atechie
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
Will this have any immediate effects on either the price of the 955 black or i7 920 ?
I keep seeing people purchasing the i7 920 from anywhere to 129.99-199.99 and I just can't seem to pull the trigger knowing I would be paying outrageously higher, since I neither live in the vascinity of a Micro center nor do I work at retail store ...
Thx
You think an it 920 is going to bet much cheaper than that? :thumbsup:
There isnt much AMD can do to affect the price of i7.
What would 5.0 GHz do for Phenom II?
- hypothetically ??
IF somehow AMD got Phenom II to those speeds - at *stock* - in mid-2010; how would it compare - performance wise, then - against stock i7?
You know, like Nvidia does [or Intel did] - eXtreme edition
- water cooled, of course -- no dustBusters - and charge a premium for it
It still would be plenty fast for all gaming.
Phenom II X4 is plenty fast for all gaming - now - if overclocked near 4.0 GHz
- all but perhaps TriSLi - then you want overclocked i7
What i was getting at; my point - was that i7 seems to have a 20% advantage or so - when you go clock for clock
- IF AMD was able to ramp up clockspeeds - like P4 Extreme Edition did in the old Athlon 64 days - they might be able to give i7 a run performance wise; certainly in gaming if they got near 5.0 GHz - TriSLi would Fly.
So not true:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com...with-18-CPUs/Practice/
Expect that picture to become more obvious the longer time passes.
In gaming the P2 is an excellent choice, it varies on games but as you can see the P2 955 actually beats the I7 920 in Fallout3 and L4Dead (by a very small margin) but it demonstrates what a 3.2ghz Deneb can do - a frequency all Denebs can surpass easily with a little OCing. Then we have the recently released 965, which will push down 955 prices and come stock clocked at 3.4ghz,
I linked to a multicore game...the trend of the future, you failed at relalizing that, I don't care about GPU limited benches when we are talking CPU performance.
Run those test again with the comming GPU and the test will look very differently...
'The future' is not going to be decided by how CPU limited you are, about as much as it is today, you failed at realizing that. You may be interested in the recent Empire multithreaded patch whereby the extra 4 threads of an i7 920 nets you a whopping +1fps minimum fps and about +3 avg over a P2 940, not 'the way of the future' you'd expect it to be.
Therefore we estimate that the abnormal behavior of the Phenom II CPUs is related to an incompatibility of ArmA 2. Possibly this problem (and several others) are fixed with patches.
AMD created a small number of limited edition ?TWKR? processors expressly for the extreme overclocking community in appreciation for their record performance feats with Dragon platform technology and AMD Phenom II processors. These processors are designed to reach the utmost performance barriers of the AMD Phenom II processor and operate beyond the specifications of typical production level processors. As speculated, it?s a high current chip that can take the extreme stresses of Liquid Nitrogen overclocking. Our testing of the TWKR showed that we could reach ~6.6GHz on Liquid Nitrogen. It would be a shame if only the top overclockers and media would be able to use these, so we have teamed up with AMD to give away one of these overclocking monsters. With high end air or water cooling you should be able to take a TWKR processor up to 4.0-4.1GHz with ease and for those that want to try out dry ice, liquid nitrogen, or liquid helium you are looking at 5GHz - 7GHz depending on your pot and cooling method. These processors are monsters and have been selected and binned as being the best of the best.
Originally posted by: lopri
AMD's yields aren't as consistent as Intel's, and it tends to 'run into' a good stepping when time comes. (Remember how Opteron clocked crazy out of nowhere?) It is always possible that AMD suddenly 'discover' a stepping which is significantly better than previous ones.
That may or may not be the case with 965 BE, but it has been traditionally the case that AMD improves on-die memory controllers with every revision. (does anyone remember CABYE, CAB2E, CCBEE, etc.?) I find it very much likely the 965 will sport a new memory controller. And if AMD can manage to raise the stock NB frequency to 2.2~2.4 GHz, that alone will bring more performance than 200MHz core frequency increase.
It's all about improving the sillicon and how to market it. We shall see when it's released.
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: lopri
AMD's yields aren't as consistent as Intel's, and it tends to 'run into' a good stepping when time comes. (Remember how Opteron clocked crazy out of nowhere?) It is always possible that AMD suddenly 'discover' a stepping which is significantly better than previous ones.
That may or may not be the case with 965 BE, but it has been traditionally the case that AMD improves on-die memory controllers with every revision. (does anyone remember CABYE, CAB2E, CCBEE, etc.?) I find it very much likely the 965 will sport a new memory controller. And if AMD can manage to raise the stock NB frequency to 2.2~2.4 GHz, that alone will bring more performance than 200MHz core frequency increase.
It's all about improving the sillicon and how to market it. We shall see when it's released.
Why doesn't AMD clock the memory controller higher? If they kept the mem controller voltage the same as the core voltage they could clock it so high..
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Why doesn't AMD clock the memory controller higher? If they kept the mem controller voltage the same as the core voltage they could clock it so high..
Originally posted by: richierich1212
OCCT With PHII instant blue screens as well. It may have to do with the IMC.
Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: richierich1212
OCCT With PHII instant blue screens as well. It may have to do with the IMC.
oh... interesting...
but u guys still dont have 3 sets of voltage on the cpu alone to fiddle with. :X
OCCT With PHII instant blue screens as well. It may have to do with the IMC.
Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Yes P2 does, Vcore, NB Vid and the Memory Voltage are all on separate plains on the CPU.
Originally posted by: Sylvanas
OCCT is fine with my P2 thats what I used to test stability.
uhhh...
Vcore
VTT
PLL
QPI/DRAM
http://www.anandtech.com/GalleryImage.aspx?id=6097
^ those are just for the cpu.
Then you got 4 for the board.
which are the IOH's and ICH's as well as the PWM frequency now.
... lol its no longer just NB voltage here....
Do i need to say more?
but u guys still dont have 3 sets of voltage on the cpu alone to fiddle with. :X
we were talking about when it fails. Do you blue screen? instead of it saying failed overclock?
OCCT With PHII instant blue screens as well. It may have to do with the IMC.
Originally posted by: lopri
Why would you want to waste time on voltages? I'd much rather play with straps, multipliers, dividers, timings, etc.
Brute force cooling and endless fiddling with voltages were the main reasons for me to dump C2Q's. Current X58 system doesn't look much better from what Aigo says, it seems. And if you think about why, it's kinda pathetic.
You see, all these voltage fiddlings in i7 system involve QPI, and #1 reason why Intel developed QPI is da license. Even giving Intel the benefit of doubt and assuming performance was Intel's utmost concern, that would be for multi-socket servers, not single-socket desktops. I have no doubt that Nehalem desktop would perfom just as well using HyperTransport which is royalty-free industry standard. And Intel seems to agree! It will reportedly do away with QPI on upcoming LGA1156. (Though we'll have to wait and see)
If you remember Socket 939 platform, you surely remember how much HyperTransport affected overclocking or memory tweaking - i.e. near zero. On the other hand, on LGA1366 QPI (and related voltages) is tightly interwoven with CPU and memory, and is what dictates EVERYTHING when it comes to overclocking. Yet QPI itself has nothing to do with the performance of a system.. It's just an interconnect between CPU and the north bridge (which is a PCIe controller for the most part) Thus its main purpose of existence is to prevent anyone from making platforms or devices for Nehalem without Intel's permission. And You will not likely see any reviewer questioning why QPI is so important on X58 yet doesn't even exist on P55. But be that as it may.
I have absolutely no interest in wasting my time and energy on tweaking voltages, which contributes nothing to performance gain of itself. I'd leave that to engineers and take for myself multipliers, dividers, and timings instead at any time.
Originally posted by: lopri
@Atechie: You probably should have quoted someone else. I never said that it's difficult to overclock i7.
Originally posted by: shadyshabby
I am just going to assume you have problems fully expressing yourself in English.
So let me break it down in a way you might be able to understand :
Me pay 279.99. Me no likey pay so much. Me not rich. Deal for $129 and $199 no worky for me. Wish me could. Make me sad.