Phil Robertson and freedom to have an opinion

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compuwiz1

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Or maybe I'm not a zombie and married to a Catholic so I know what the fuck I'm talking about?

Other sinful sex acts include masturbation, using birth control (including the rhythm method), using fertility drugs, having an abortion, having artificial insemination and reading pornography.

Please STOP using Catholicism to defend this guy. He's not Catholic and it's obvious that you and a lot of other people in here know fuck-all about the religion.

Curious mind wants to know, so, I must ask if withdrawing and spraying the tata's is a sinful act?
 

Daverino

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Curious mind wants to know, so, I must ask if withdrawing and spraying the tata's is a sinful act?

Sadly onanism is a mortal sin

If you are not having sex with your wife for the sole purpose of making a baby, it's probably a mortal sin in the eyes of Catholicism.

But that's also part of Catholicism, to live under sin, wrestle with it, and seek repentance. Every man is a sinner and requires the grace of Jesus for salvation. There is little likelihood, under Catholic doctrine, that a homosexual would be more or less of a sinner than Phil Robertson.
 

JD50

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bla bla bla

stop Christian bashing.

its obvious your a liar on Christianity . and did not read the gq piece. Your nothing but a knee jerk type that gets offended over anything and everything.

No one's bashing Christians, just their actions and beliefs. That's what the bigots say about homosexuality right? Love the sinner hate the sin?
 
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100% born and raised devout Catholic who thinks the person you quoted is seriously and/or willfully misguided. FFS not every Christian thinks the same yet every day I hear someone come along and pretend to be the Ultimate Voice. Is it really that hard to get on board that not all Christians have their heads up their ass? (No pun intended considering the subject matter)

LOL at you claiming to be a Christian. You're so full of hate and intolerant so how exactly are you a Christian?
 

ch33zw1z

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LOL at you claiming to be a Christian. You're so full of hate and intolerant so how exactly are you a Christian?

I have known and still know quite a few Christians who are all about hate and intolerance. That's not how you roll, though....right? You're totally about love for your fellow man...uh huh...no doubt.
 
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I have known and still know quite a few Christians who are all about hate and intolerance. That's not how you roll, though....right? You're totally about love for your fellow man...uh huh...no doubt.

Then they're not really Christians because they aren't suppose to behave like that.
 

monovillage

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Probably the best article on the whole thing so far.
http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/duc...industry-abuzz-execs-cite-aes-rookie-mistake/

A&E is charting new territory, execs with whom we spoke acknowledged. “You’ve got an immovable object who actually believes he has God on his side. He’s a multimillionaire who lives in a swamp!” one industry image specialist acknowledged. “I don’t’ think he gives a flying fuck whether or not [A&E] agrees with him. I don’t think there’s any fear in this guy.”
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In addition to Know Your Star, execs we spoke with said the basic tenets of Surviving Reality TV Series Hits also include Know Your Show, Know Your Audience — and, last but not least, Get Out Of Your Own Way (aka, Hollywood and New York Are Not the Norm in the Country).
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Meanwhile, as A&E has learned during the past few days, if it didn’t know it already, a vocal chunk of the show’s audience subscribes to Robertson’s views on the Bible, Christianity, and homosexuality. Putting a show’s star on “hiatus” during the show’s hiatus, and with the next run of 10 Phil-featuring episodes already in the can might have seemed utterly logical from inside the industry, and the jaded press gave the network points for a move that looked like doing something while actually doing not much — and certainly no damage to the franchise. But, to Duck Dynasty’s religious followers, it was a battle cry.
Said one exec, “Their statement … should have been simply along the lines of, ‘The opinion stated by Phil is his opinion only; it’s not the opinion of A&E’ — and let it go.”

Added another: “Gay groups and others can come after [the network], but that’s a lot better to deal with than to have the stars of your [hit] show want to take it elsewhere for not supporting them.”

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So, where does A&E go from here?
“Someone’s going to have to back down,” said one industry vet, predicting it’s not going to be the Robertsons. “Either [A+E Networks CEO] Nancy [Dubuc] says, ‘This is not the position of the network and we respect Phil’s religious beliefs,’ and we all move on from there, or I don’t think the show survives on A&E,” the source continued.

“They’re going to have to apologize,” agreed another. “If they want them back, they’re going to have to eat crow. They’ll probably do it right after Christmas. Look for a note sometime over the next week and a half.”
 

Vic

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and i also expect it to be picked up asap by another network.

I doubt that. They're popular, yes, but too much of a loose cannon.

In the end, I suppose it will all depend on the advertisers. And the religious right is a desirable demographic because they're not exactly 'savers' (pun coincidental).
 

xj0hnx

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When voicing an opinion pisses off hoards of gay rights groups who lobby to have you removed/fired, your freedom has been removed.

Bullshit. Voicing opinions can have consequences, but you are still free to voice them. Sorry you fundamentalist whiners don't like it that this yuppy, and his sons dressed up as fake ass a rednecks for TV got kicked off the air, but that is the consequence for the freedom of voicing his opinion, but he is most certainly free to voice it, and A&E is most certainly free to kick him off the show for it. Get over it.
 

monovillage

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Bullshit. Voicing opinions can have consequences, but you are still free to voice them. Sorry you fundamentalist whiners don't like it that this yuppy, and his sons dressed up as fake ass a rednecks for TV got kicked off the air, but that is the consequence for the freedom of voicing his opinion, but he is most certainly free to voice it, and A&E is most certainly free to kick him off the show for it. Get over it.

They didn't get "kicked off the air", in fact A&E aired a Duck Dynasty marathon.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/24/ae-duck-dynasty-christmas-marathon-phil-robertson/

Where did A&E "kick him off the show"

Anywhere?
 
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Bullshit. Voicing opinions can have consequences, but you are still free to voice them. Sorry you fundamentalist whiners don't like it that this yuppy, and his sons dressed up as fake ass a rednecks for TV got kicked off the air, but that is the consequence for the freedom of voicing his opinion, but he is most certainly free to voice it, and A&E is most certainly free to kick him off the show for it. Get over it.

They only suspended him because of those idiots at Glaad who are a bunch of hypocrites. And the family has stated they can't continue the show without him.
 

nyker96

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I think Phil's comments regarding gay and black's are very wrong. His comments about blacks loving working on cotton fields and pre civil rights era they are as happy as ever doesn't reflect what really happened then. His comments on gay been a choice is also wrong. It's biological not a choice. His comments are insensitive but I don't think it got to the point of hate speech.

freedom of speech is of course his rights, but I want to say I disagree w/ what he said.
 

Retro Rob

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I think Phil's comments regarding gay and black's are very wrong. His comments about blacks loving working on cotton fields and pre civil rights era they are as happy as ever doesn't reflect what really happened then.

I'm black, and frankly didn't bat an eye at those comments as he was entitled to them.

Someone can correct me, but I don't recall the NAACP calling for him to be fired for those remarks...but I could be wrong.
 
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