Phil Robertson and freedom to have an opinion

[Londo_Jowo]

So then everyone's happy? People who don't want to deal with TV networks housing stupid bigots don't have to, and Phil Robertson/the stupid bigots of America can have a Chick-fil-a moment and all slap each other on the back.

A&E will continue to broadcast the show (minus Phil of course) so they can fill their pockets though in the end fill Phil Robertson's pockets as well. Sounds like a win-win for both.

 

[michal1980]

I would like to see a reconcilliation episode where this guy has gay sex for a week to see if his condemnation of the lifestyle was justified. Perhaps a week of heavy sodomy would change his perspective.

 

[michal1980]

A&E will continue to broadcast the show (minus Phil of course) so they can fill their pockets though in the end fill Phil Robertson's pockets as well. Sounds like a win-win for both.

isnt that hypocritical of A&E?

If they want to take a stand take a stand.

But they knew what they were getting into, and now act as if they are shocked by it.

 

[Daverino]

except what he said is directly linked to his religion. he is being directly punished because of his religious views.

Or should he just go hide in the closest with his beliefs for fear of getting fired for them?

Is he? I would argue that claiming homosexuals would be denied entry into heaven is antithetical to Christian beliefs. We are all sinners by nature, and Jesus died for our sins. So, as a Christian, I emphatically disagree that his opinion was linked to his religion.

 

[Retro Rob]

So then everyone's happy? People who don't want to deal with TV networks housing stupid bigots don't have to, and Phil Robertson/the stupid bigots of America can have a Chick-fil-a moment and all slap each other on the back.

GLAAD is rather appropriate for them, as it means:

Gays & Lesbian Alliance Abridging Disagreements

Fit them, and you, perfectly.

:thumbsup:

 

[Texashiker]

Phil Robertson will laugh his ass off as he reads the quarterly profit margins as I suspect this will result in higher merchandise sales for the show and Duck Commander as those who oppose his views are not customers of either and supporters will show their support through purchases.

As far as we know this was a stunt to get people to buy more duck dynasty stuff right at christmas time.

 

[nehalem256]

Nope, wrong on two accounts.

First, the idea of homosexuality as a sin is not closely associated with Christianity as a whole. Some Christians believe it, but many do not. I go to church every week and my pastor is a gay married man.

Do you think homosexuality as a sin is clearly linked to Phil's Christian faith.

Second, you cannot be terminated based on your race, gender, religion or a number of any other categories. Phil Robertson is not being punished because he is a Christian. He's being punished because he said thing publicly that were probably against his contract. There are many ways that an at-will employee can exercise their right to free speech and get terminated as a result.

Because A&E and GLAAD aren't the same organization.

Are you getting dumber as this thread goes along?

So if I employ a gay guy as sales person for my company. One day he tells his client that he is getting gay married the next weekend. That client calls me up and demands he be fired or I will lose their business.

Seems essentially the same thing. Am I allowed to fire the gay guy? After all I am firing him for comments that are detrimental to my business not because he is gay.

If not please explain clearly why the situations are different.

 

[fskimospy]

So if I employ a gay guy as sales person for my company. One day he tells his client that he is getting gay married the next weekend. That client calls me up and demands he be fired or I will lose their business.

Seems essentially the same thing. Am I allowed to fire the gay guy? After all I am firing him for comments that are detrimental to my business not because he is gay.

If not please explain clearly why the situations are different.

How many times have we gone over this. Seriously. You are just impossibly dense or mentally ill.

 

[bignateyk]

Your freedom of speech only protects you from the government. I can't call my boss a n*gger and expect not to get fired. I can expect not to get thrown in jail though.

 

[nehalem256]

Is he? I would argue that claiming homosexuals would be denied entry into heaven is antithetical to Christian beliefs. We are all sinners by nature, and Jesus died for our sins. So, as a Christian, I emphatically disagree that his opinion was linked to his religion.

Homosexuality is considered by the Roman Catholic hierarchy to be "disordered" in the sense that it is said to be "ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil"[1] and is not directed toward what the Catholic Church believes to be the unitive and procreative purposes of sexual activity.[2][3] While "homosexual desires" are not in themselves considered sinful, "homosexual acts" are. The Catholic Church has said of homosexuality, "as in every moral disorder, homosexual activity prevents one's own fulfillment and happiness by acting contrary to the creative wisdom of God"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Roman_Catholicism

From Phil

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he tells reporter Drew Magary. “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

Homosexuals desire, unacted upon, are not sinful. Homosexual acts(or behavior) are.

Phil is in clear agreement with the largest Christian denomination.

 

[Blackjack200]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/19/lockheed-martin-ends-donations-to-boy-scouts-over-gay-ban/

Looks like Lockheed Martin is also against freedom. I guess the bigots will just have to boycott Lockheed Martin weapons systems... or... something.

 

[nehalem256]

How many times have we gone over this. Seriously. You are just impossibly dense or mentally ill.

Until you can clearly explain why the situations are different.

I am not interested in hearing about whatever mental gymnastics some liberal judges go through to justify their contradictions to force their views on others.

If the situations are different you should be able to simply and clearly explain why YOU think they are.

 

[z1ggy]

Your freedom of speech only protects you from the government. I can't call my boss a n*gger and expect not to get fired. I can expect not to get thrown in jail though.

This.

Wtf is so hard to get.

/thread.

 

[nehalem256]

Your freedom of speech only protects you from the government. I can't call my boss a n*gger and expect not to get fired. I can expect not to get thrown in jail though.

Try firing your employee for being a n*gger and see how that works out for you.

 

[fskimospy]

Until you can clearly explain why the situations are different.

I am not interested in hearing about whatever mental gymnastics some liberal judges go through to justify their contradictions to force their views on others.

If the situations are different you should be able to simply and clearly explain why YOU think they are.

I don't care what you are interested in. The law is the law. We have been over this probably dozens of times at this point. Logic does not matter to you, nor does evidence. The law is the law, it's how our country works. If you don't like it, too bad. Doesn't change reality. The only question here is if you can accept reality or if you're too far gone.

 

[Blackjack200]

I must say, I feel a little guilty. Compared to the Civil Rights movement in the 60s when you had people getting lynched, attacked by dogs, fire hosed, etc., the gay movement is much more fun. Almost no violence, and lots of people making complete asses of themselves. This thread is highly entertaining.

 

[hal2kilo]

Try firing your employee for being a n*gger and see how that works out for you.

You're almost there! Think about it.

 

[Blackjack200]

You're almost there! Think about it.

No, I don't think he is!!

 

[Moonbeam]

There is nothing one can do. Bigots believe in the good and they are profoundly certain there's such a thing as the good. Where they run into problems is that they also think they know what the good is, mistaking the good for the garbage that was programmed into them. This deep unconscious confusion and inability to see the delusional nature of their deepest assumptions and the connections they make to the source of inner certainty leaves them vulnerable in life. As long as they are in the majority the Spanish Inquisition their altered reality creates for them and the rest of us goes on uninterrupted. But when that majority turns against them and identifies them as the true evil they are and censors and ridicules their bigotry for what it is they whine and cry their rights to be mentally ill are being violated. They just know this is all wrong because they are right and they are good. The world was so much better when young gays would off themselves out of good Christian shame instilled in them by hate filled monsters.

 

[Daverino]

Homosexuals desire, unacted upon, are not sinful. Homosexual acts(or behavior) are.

Phil is in clear agreement with the largest Christian denomination.

No, still wrong (should I be surprised?)

Sins and sinful behavior do not deny a Christian from heaven so long as they have faith in the mercy of Jesus Christ our Savior and beg forgiveness for their sins. Homosexual behavior, while considered a mortal sin by the Catholic church, is no different than using birth control, being the recipient of artificial insemination or masturbation. All four are considered mortal sins when performed knowingly.

A practicing Catholic recognizes that he or she lives in mortal sin by nature and Jesus Christ our Savior has given us by grace and love the opportunity to escape that sin through his forgiveness.

 

[dainthomas]

Phil is in clear agreement with the largest Christian denomination.

Then they're wrong too. As another poster stated, everyone sins and only those who seek forgiveness for their sins don't get into heaven. It's the forgiveness aspect that's critical, not so much what the actual sin was.

And it's not even clear that's a sin in the first place, as it's only mentioned in the old testament next to eating pork and sowing two crops in the same field.

 

[Daverino]

Your freedom of speech only protects you from the government. I can't call my boss a n*gger and expect not to get fired. I can expect not to get thrown in jail though.

Try firing your employee for being a n*gger and see how that works out for you.

The fact that nehalem256 cannot tell the difference between these two things is really all you need to know about whether it's worth arguing with him.

 

[Daverino]

No, I don't think he is!!

He's about 10 feet away, but there's a 1,000,000 foot deep chasm filled with lava between him and any logical conclusion.

 

[unokitty]

 

[Texashiker]

This.

Wtf is so hard to get.

/thread.

What does the thread title say? This is not about freedom of speech.

Phil was asked a question.

He gave his opinion.

Opinion pissed off gay rights groups.

There is nothing in there about protected speech, government, or anything else having to do with freedom of speech.

This is about someone having an opinion, and when giving an honest answer to an honest question is attacked for his opinion.

There is an old saying, if you do not like the answer, do not ask the question.