Ah yes TH, because getting called "lovely human" and physically harmed for being gay is totally the same as getting fired from your job.
Not to mention it's frowned on in Christianity and Islam to be gay. So essentially you have world wide condemnation of your sexual preference AND physical violence toward people. Don't even try to compare.
Wow, two examples. And those are obviously just as bad as Matthew Shepard and Ryan Skipper. You cannot possibly believe that bigotry against heterosexual people has ever been as frequent or as bad as bigotry against homosexual people. Why bother bringing up these examples? Just because it HAS happened doesn't make it widespread or systemic, unlike homophobia, where there has been legislation passed specifically against homosexuals (such as Don't Ask, Don't Tell and all the sodomy laws on record that were overturned with Lawrence v Texas). Were the people in your examples wrong? Yes. But they weren't indicative of some widespread heterosexual intolerance; that's the difference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_ShepardThe murder continued to attract public attention and media coverage long after the trial was over. In 2004, the ABC News program 20/20 aired a controversial report quoting claims by McKinney, Henderson, and Kristen Price, the prosecutor and a lead investigator that the murder had not been motivated by Shepard's sexuality but rather was merely a drug-related robbery that had turned violent.[21] Critics charged that the report, which featured interviews with Shepard's murderers, was sensational, misleading, and downplayed or ignored evidence of homophobia as a motivation for the crime.[55][56][57][58]
Dave O'Malley, the Laramie police commander over the investigations division at the time of Shepard's murder,[59] stated that the murderers' claims were not credible, but the prosecutor in the case stated that there was ample evidence that drugs were at least a factor in the murder.[60] Other coverage focused on how these more recent statements contradicted those made at and near the trial.[61]
In September 2013, The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths About the Murder of Matthew Shepard by Stephen Jimenez, the producer of the 20/20 segment, was published. The book revived and expanded upon claims by the author that Shepard's murder was at least partly drug-related and that, contrary to the generally accepted version of events, his sexual orientation was not a major motive for the crime. Additionally the author claimed that Shepard and at least one of his killers (McKinney) had been occasional sexual partners
Businesses should have the right to fire someone for any reason.
So long as that reason is not for just disparaging gays. That just crosses the line of what I deem as an acceptable reason to fire.
You said never.
So when proven wrong you move the goal post?
You think gays are immune to bigotry? You think they never promote their own self-interest?
You said never.
So when proven wrong you move the goal post?
You think gays are immune to bigotry? You think they never promote their own self-interest?
What do you think of those bigots? Do you find them disgusting? You shouldn't. They can't help doing what they think is right. They know there is a good.
Firing someone for their opinion, just as firing someone for their religion and sexual preference, is wrong.
Firing someone for their opinion, just as firing someone for their religion and sexual preference, is wrong.
Firing someone for their opinion, just as firing someone for their religion and sexual preference, is wrong.
Well obviously he could fire the employee. A reason is not even required. He is an at will employee. If an employee blows a big contract for ANY reason, the employer can and often will fire the employee. The gay employee would have to be a pretty shitty salesperson not to know his client well enough to not offend them.
This is exactly what is going on at A&E. This hillbilly said some crazy crap that has threatened the revenue stream of A&E and they have responded accordingly. To be honest, they are acting on an economic basis, not on a moral basis..... they could give a shit about stuff like that.
Jesus, why do the reality shows have to feature redneck southerners? What do people find so interesting about them?
He wasn't fired for having an opinion, he was fired for voicing an opinion. There's a difference. Do you think that you should be able to say "I hate n****rs" at your work without repercussion?
You're right. I did say never. Obviously never is not the case.. But you clearly are missing the point, intentionally, because you are in one way or another supporting this man's views.
All in all, I'm still confused to your point/question. He had the freedom to say what he wanted. He said being gay is wrong among other things, but didn't end up in jail. He did not break the law, per the constitution. However, he did piss some people off and paid the price. Where are you lost here?
Firing someone for their opinion, just as firing someone for their religion and sexual preference, is wrong.
Firing someone for their opinion, just as firing someone for their religion and sexual preference, is wrong.
Sounds like you are advocating for a policy of "don't ask, don't tell".:sneaky:
And now A&E is paying the price for their action by us calling them on their firing of the guy.
See how that works
And now A&E is paying the price for their action by us calling them on their firing of the guy.
See how that works
Ah yes "Freedom of speech only exists in one direction!"
Freedom of speech = freedom from consequence
Freedom of speech = freedom only for my speech
etc
Typical.
He wasn't fired for having an opinion, he was fired for voicing an opinion. There's a difference. Do you think that you should be able to say "I hate n****rs" at your work without repercussion?
You guys are funny--you grew up looking at photos in textbooks. photos like this:
and thinking, "Wow, what an insane time. I can't believe things were this way and people once thought that way."
Yet, there you are, in that crowd, today, holding those signs. And in 50 or so years, school children will be looking on at you in such photos as some sort of historical pariah.