Photoshop benches: Dual G5 2.0 vs. Dual Xeon 3.06 and others: G5 wins.

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
I went to my closest Apple Store and played on a 1.6GHz G5. It's fast, I mean like FAST. Everything is really snappy and Mac OS X rocks!

Yeah, but it's not as FAST as Teh Creative WEAPON?! It r00lz!!!111

What are you talking about? This is a vapochilled case with an overclocked p4ee and a ton of extra eye candy stuff. It would be sweet if you have infinitely deep pockets. Ram Drives are fairly common, but flash ram drives are not. This computer should be hella fast.

 

[CBone]

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[Eug]

Originally posted by: CBone

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
I went to my closest Apple Store and played on a 1.6GHz G5. It's fast, I mean like FAST. Everything is really snappy and Mac OS X rocks!

Yeah, but it's not as FAST as Teh Creative WEAPON?! It r00lz!!!111

What are you talking about? This is a vapochilled case with an overclocked p4ee and a ton of extra eye candy stuff. It would be sweet if you have infinitely deep pockets. Ram Drives are fairly common, but flash ram drives are not. This computer should be hella fast.

There are a lot of gullible people in the world it would seem:

3COM Gigabit LAN with AI Net (Artificial Intelligence Net-Diagnosing)
Up to 74 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots expandability
Artificial Intelligence Auto-Recovery BIOS

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: CBone

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
I went to my closest Apple Store and played on a 1.6GHz G5. It's fast, I mean like FAST. Everything is really snappy and Mac OS X rocks!

Yeah, but it's not as FAST as Teh Creative WEAPON?! It r00lz!!!111

What are you talking about? This is a vapochilled case with an overclocked p4ee and a ton of extra eye candy stuff. It would be sweet if you have infinitely deep pockets. Ram Drives are fairly common, but flash ram drives are not. This computer should be hella fast.

There are a lot of gullible people in the world it would seem:

3COM Gigabit LAN with AI Net (Artificial Intelligence Net-Diagnosing)
Up to 74 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots expandability
Artificial Intelligence Auto-Recovery BIOS

Seems like there are more people that can't read. If one does not know what one is talking about, one should shut his cakehole. It has external PCI capabilities through an adapter, there are a few mobos that have the net-diagnosing capabilities (asus P4C800 Deluxe), and a ton of mobos have auto-rocovery bioses.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: CBone
Seems like there are more people that can't read. If one does not know what one is talking about, one should shut his cakehole.

Exactly. You should probably quit while you're still ahead.

I guess you don't realize you're defending a site which "sells" laptops with 2048x1536 15" screens, and which uses Mac Finder logos to advertise its Windows hardware technology.

Most of the photos on there are generic or stolen ones too. That laptop I linked is a Sager and there's all sorts of stock photos on there. In fact, the whole site is a direct knockoff of Apple's website.

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: CBone
Seems like there are more people that can't read. If one does not know what one is talking about, one should shut his cakehole.

Exactly. You should probably quit while you're still ahead.

I guess you don't realize you're defending a site which "sells" laptops with 2048x1536 15" screens, and which uses Mac Finder logos to advertise its Windows hardware technology.

Most of the photos on there are generic or stolen ones too. That laptop I linked is a Sager and there's all sorts of stock photos on there. In fact, the whole site is a direct knockoff of Apple's website.

I still don't understand what you are rolling your eyes at. WTH difference does it make what format the page is in? Maybe they like the way macs look. The stuff you were saying that I was gullible to believe is all real-world stuff that is readily available. Just because you don't know, you shouldn't discredit. Maybe they should take a page from Newegg's book and do their own photos and not use stock... Actually they don't either. AFA Sager laptops, ever heard of rebadge?

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: CBone
I still don't understand what you are rolling your eyes at. WTH difference does it make what format the page is in? Maybe they like the way macs look. The stuff you were saying that I was gullible to believe is all real-world stuff that is readily available. Just because you don't know, you shouldn't discredit. Maybe they should take a page from Newegg's book and do their own photos and not use stock... Actually they don't either. AFA Sager laptops, ever heard of rebadge?

Except that Sager doesn't make 2048x1536 15" laptops.

Just check out the whole site. It's pretty obvious once you start seeing all the inconsistencies.

 

[digitalsm]

I think its fake, either that or the people need to brush up on alot of things.

However

3.8GHz Accelerated Hyper-Threading Extreme Edition 2MB L3 Cache Intel® P4 512K L2 Cache

Its simply and overclocked(accelerated) P4 EE, Tom got his up to 3.6 air cooled, a phase change should easily put that at 3.8+

Support for next-gen Pentium 5 Prescott CPU

There has been internal Intel documentation dubing the Prescott a P5, although its not.

950MHz System Bus

Overclocking to 3.8Ghz would result in a 950MHz bus, there have been people that have cracked the 1Ghz FSB.

PuRam? No System Hard Drive Configurable
Up to 1.000 faster than ATA/SCSI/FC HD based
designs with Data Burst Speeds up to 8GB/s
and I/O data requests at over 150.000 I/O sec.
Enhanced CacheFlow? Technology
SuperBIOS? IBPT Technology

Fancy name/marketing, the technology for a HDD free computer exsists, its extremely costly.

180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling

The highend VapoChill system capable of cooling 180W.

DDR-II Performance PC4200 533MHz Dual-Channel
DDR, up to 4GB

They are claiming PC4200 DDR533, is as fast as DDR-II.

Up to 16GB Total RAM with optional RamDrives.

RamDrives are quite common, although I dont know why they put a 12GB limit.

Up to 2 Terabytes of Colossal Storage Capacity

8x250GB in RAID 0 = 2TBs. I wouldnt want to have to back that up yikes. Or conversely 10x250GB = 2TBs in RAID 5. They wouldnt be able to fit all that in a midtower case though.

3COM Gigabit LAN with AI Net (Artificial Intelligence Net-Diagnosing)

I dont think 3Com calls it AI Net, but they do have technology that is "smart". AI is thrown around by alot of manufactures these days though.

Up to 74 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots expandability

These are quite common in high end audio systems and in other systems where you can daisy chain certain cards, typically custom PCI cards that are made to work together to do a certain task. Any highend Pro Tools HD system will have a PCI expander.

 

[Eug]

I know a lot of the stuff on the site is real, but just because there is a lot of stuff on the site is real, doesn't mean everything is real, not to mention the whole site design looks bogus overall. See earlier posts.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Eug
I know a lot of the stuff on the site is real, but just because there is a lot of stuff on the site is real, doesn't mean everything is real, not to mention the whole site design looks bogus overall. See earlier posts.

There are plenty of legit companies that are using Apple sytled websites. Its plausible that its real, is it likely? No.

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: CBone
I still don't understand what you are rolling your eyes at. WTH difference does it make what format the page is in? Maybe they like the way macs look. The stuff you were saying that I was gullible to believe is all real-world stuff that is readily available. Just because you don't know, you shouldn't discredit. Maybe they should take a page from Newegg's book and do their own photos and not use stock... Actually they don't either. AFA Sager laptops, ever heard of rebadge?

Except that Sager doesn't make 2048x1536 15" laptops.

Just check out the whole site. It's pretty obvious once you start seeing all the inconsistencies.

You are right. Sager doesn't make 15" QXGA laptops, but Clevo does.
http://www.powernotebooks.com/Name_Brand.php3

I'm not saying that the site is like Jesus part 2 or something. The stuff on the site that I looked at and mentioned is all real-world stuff. The technical aspects may be off. Who cares? Intel has screwed up the names of processors and has had incorrect info on their site as well.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: CBone
I'm not saying that the site is like Jesus part 2 or something. The stuff on the site that I looked at and mentioned is all real-world stuff. The technical aspects may be off. Who cares? Intel has screwed up the names of processors and has had incorrect info on their site as well.

Who cares?

Well, for one, I do.

For example www.liebermann-corp.com does not have any content.

Miguel Liebermann, supposedly the founder and a famous Hollywood director, does not seem to exist.

Just read the site.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
after looking on Apple's website at benchmarks of their dual 2.0ghz i began to question the validity of those benchmarks as a whole.
here is the website:
http://a1472.g.akamai.net/7/1472/51...om/powermac/pdf/PowerMacG5_Perf_WP_072903.pdf

For instance say for gaming they took demo 1.32 of Quake 3 and ran it on Radeon 9800Pro

saying P4 gets 275 fps in 1024x768 resolution

when recent comparison that includes Athlon 64 shows that P4 3.0 ghz with Radeon 9700Pro gets a suprising 399fps????

http://translate.google.com/transla...86-secret.com/popups/articleswindow.php?id=91

hmmm...

then i realized that it never mentions whether the p4 3.0ghz is the 3.06ghz 533mhz or 3.0 800mhz with HT?

then i read all comments on how Apple G5 is so good at mathematical calculations and DNA sequence matching highlighting its raw processing and computational power of the GPU...well then how come my p4 3.0ghz system does 1 result of Seti in 1h and 40 min with HT enabled or 3:20min for both or 3:26 min for 1 without HyperThreading enabled and my friend's just a week old 1.8 G5 takes from 4.5 - 5hours!!!

lets get on to another argument...FireWire800...since most devices either support firewire 1394 (400) or usb2.0 the transfer rate will be limited by the slowest component. since i dont know many digital cameras or devices tha tsupport firewire 800 its speed increase is irrelevant just like AGP 8x over AGP4x is a total marketing gimmick

moving on..it then compares parallel ATA hard drive to a serial ATA hard drive.. first of all serial ata hard drive gains ALMOST nothing if minute% increase if any over 133mb/s transfer rate of ATA-133 format. hard drives never attain the advertised 150mb/s of SATA anyways.....and nowhere in the article does it mention that one could set up Raid 0 on a PC or even 2 WD Raptors in Raid....besides......SATA has been available on the PC long time ago anyways...

next thing you know Apple's DDR-3200 Ram is 30% faster than DDR-3200 Ram on teh PC...In fact apple has only emulated and not innovated

Athlon 64 is truly the first 64-bit processor, Apple uses same power supplies, same ram, same graphics cards as teh PC does always proclaiming how its teh first one to have USB2.0, Firewire, etc. Yes those little features, which p4 already had years ago who cares about Firewire 800 or Airport Extreme those are minor innovations..but where did all this apple peformance go and features for almost 2-3x the cost of a p4?\

The fact that you cannot assemble an apple by yourself, that you have to pay for their operating system, and the fact that its impossible to upgrade the cpu or the motherboard, the fact that 99% of most popular games never make it to the pc, and that no one ever knows how to use an apple at any computer store suggesting just how easily navigatable their operating system is....NOT just makes me wonder just why do people keep buying them? The answer is people buy Apples to fit a specific niche such as video editing, photoshop, design, and so on...but for everyday use its overkill for complexity, price difference, and perfomance of every day applications like word processor, internet, etc. which are generally satisfied by any cpu anyways

so if you play games, arent loaded with money, and dont do media involved applications then you should never buy an apple

otherwise purchasing an apple could make sense and its good that everyone has a choice

FW800 - is not a marketing gimmick. FW800 will take the convience and losses xfer of video to the next level. Video pro's are chomping at the bit for FW800 to be built into decks and cameras that need more bandwidth than FW400 offers.

SATA - Has it achieved it's potentional yet? No. But when it does in the future the now old first gen G5's will have native support for it. Future proofing is nice (same thing can be said for FW800 as well). And please tell me how long Compaq and Dell have been offering SATA on their desktop machines.

Apple never claimed to have the first 64-bit proc. An no, the 64-bit Athlon is not the first 64-bit proc either. Apple also never claimed to have USB 2.0 first, but, IIRC, they were the first computer company to ship FW and USB (?) standard on desktop machines.

You can upgrade the proc on a Mac. For older Macs you can buy a proccessor card that goes into a PCI slot but on newer Macs (anything 3 or 4 years old) you can replace the CPU itself.

Coming from a Windows world I can understand why you don't want to pay for your OS, but OS X (including all the sofware that comes bundle w/it at no extra charge) is worth every penny IMO. And if you think navigating around OS X is hard or complex then you need to remind yerself your not using Windows and stop trying to interface w/the Mac the way you do w/Windows. It took me a few months to break myself of my windows habits while using my Mac (I use both my Mac and PC on a daily basis) and once I stopped trying to do things the "windows way" and did them the "OS X way" (which almost always ends up being more direct and/or more simple) I found that I enjoyed working in OS X much more than I do working in W2k or XP. I think Macs make great home machines, unless you are a bigger gamer. If you factor both hardware and software into the equation then the price difference is negligible, if not completely gone, IMO.


Lethal

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: CBone
I'm not saying that the site is like Jesus part 2 or something. The stuff on the site that I looked at and mentioned is all real-world stuff. The technical aspects may be off. Who cares? Intel has screwed up the names of processors and has had incorrect info on their site as well.

Who cares?

Well, for one, I do.

For example www.liebermann-corp.com does not have any content.

Miguel Liebermann, supposedly the founder and a famous Hollywood director, does not seem to exist.

Just read the site.

I dont see anywhere where they said famous hollywood director, they said well known commercial film director, ie: he directed commericals. Now I havent been able to dig up anything on him, but that doesnt mean he doesnt exsist. I cant seem to find Coca Cola press releases from 1999, as they only have 2001, 2002, and 2003 on their websites.

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: CBone
I'm not saying that the site is like Jesus part 2 or something. The stuff on the site that I looked at and mentioned is all real-world stuff. The technical aspects may be off. Who cares? Intel has screwed up the names of processors and has had incorrect info on their site as well.

Who cares?

Well, for one, I do.

For example www.liebermann-corp.com does not have any content.

Miguel Liebermann, supposedly the founder and a famous Hollywood director, does not seem to exist.

Just read the site.

What does that have to do with the technology? Why should he have separate content? The URL sends you to the company's page. So? espn.com doesn't have any content either. It forwards you to their actual page. That doesn't prove or disprove anything. You were talking about it like the tech was fake. You were proven to not know what you were talking about.

So what if you can't google some info about the guy? There are a lot of people that don't have much google info. That means less than nothing. It said that the guy was a commercial director, not a famous Hollywood movie director.

Sounds like you are running out of things to spread FUD on. I see you aren't mentioning the various technological aspects of the computers anymore. Face it, the computer as described would be hella fast.

Just admit that you jumped to conclusions and shot off before you checked your facts and let's all be friends.

 

[mooojojojo]

Originally posted by: CBone

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: CBone
I'm not saying that the site is like Jesus part 2 or something. The stuff on the site that I looked at and mentioned is all real-world stuff. The technical aspects may be off. Who cares? Intel has screwed up the names of processors and has had incorrect info on their site as well.

Who cares?

Well, for one, I do.

For example www.liebermann-corp.com does not have any content.

Miguel Liebermann, supposedly the founder and a famous Hollywood director, does not seem to exist.

Just read the site.

What does that have to do with the technology? Why should he have separate content? The URL sends you to the company's page. So? espn.com doesn't have any content either. It forwards you to their actual page. That doesn't prove or disprove anything. You were talking about it like the tech was fake. You were proven to not know what you were talking about.

So what if you can't google some info about the guy? There are a lot of people that don't have much google info. That means less than nothing. It said that the guy was a commercial director, not a famous Hollywood movie director.

Sounds like you are running out of things to spread FUD on. I see you aren't mentioning the various technological aspects of the computers anymore. Face it, the computer as described would be hella fast.

Just admit that you jumped to conclusions and shot off before you checked your facts and let's all be friends.

I don't think that Eug had a problem with the hardware specs. More like the ridiculous adjectives they are using (artificial intelligence?), branding other people's components with their own names (that 3Com thing Eug mentioned), or selling their PCs as having some sort of a special chip while it's just an overclocked P4.

I don't like that site either. I hate companies that copy others. In this case it's worse since they are bashing Apple (in the About section it says this Liebermann decided to create his own company when he saw that his Powerbook was slow) and at the same time copying them all over. Also it's strange that they have listed Apple as a partner (as someone posted earlier. I didn't check)... I wouldn't want to be a partner of a company that can't even come up with an original site design.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: CBone
What does that have to do with the technology? Why should he have separate content? The URL sends you to the company's page. So? espn.com doesn't have any content either. It forwards you to their actual page. That doesn't prove or disprove anything. You were talking about it like the tech was fake. You were proven to not know what you were talking about.

So what if you can't google some info about the guy? There are a lot of people that don't have much google info. That means less than nothing. It said that the guy was a commercial director, not a famous Hollywood movie director.

Sounds like you are running out of things to spread FUD on. I see you aren't mentioning the various technological aspects of the computers anymore. Face it, the computer as described would be hella fast.

Just admit that you jumped to conclusions and shot off before you checked your facts and let's all be friends.

Actually, if you go to the corporate site, it takes you to splash page, and if you click thru, there is no content. You get a 404. It doesn't even send you to the store. No surprise there, because it was only registered a few months ago.

Second, I have no question that an overclocked P4 3.8 with RAM drives would be fast. I'm just not stupid enough to send money to a site like this. If you want to, go right ahead. Your purchase will be good evidence if this is a scam or not.

More discussion about this site being a scam.

The person registering the site is a young horse trainer, and also registered the corporate site. The answer on the phone is "Hello" not "Hello, Liebermann, Inc.". They hang up on people when pressed for details. They can't give proper details when they do try. They tell people not to come visit right now.

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: CBone
What does that have to do with the technology? Why should he have separate content? The URL sends you to the company's page. So? espn.com doesn't have any content either. It forwards you to their actual page. That doesn't prove or disprove anything. You were talking about it like the tech was fake. You were proven to not know what you were talking about.

So what if you can't google some info about the guy? There are a lot of people that don't have much google info. That means less than nothing. It said that the guy was a commercial director, not a famous Hollywood movie director.

Sounds like you are running out of things to spread FUD on. I see you aren't mentioning the various technological aspects of the computers anymore. Face it, the computer as described would be hella fast.

Just admit that you jumped to conclusions and shot off before you checked your facts and let's all be friends.

Actually, if you go to the corporate site, it takes you to splash page, and if you click thru, there is no content. You get a 404. It doesn't even send you to the store. No surprise there, because it was only registered a few months ago.

Second, I have no question that an overclocked P4 3.8 with RAM drives would be fast. I'm just not stupid enough to send money to a site like this. If you want to, go right ahead. Your purchase will be good evidence if this is a scam or not.

More discussion about this site being a scam.

The person registering the site is a young horse trainer, and also registered the corporate site. The answer on the phone is "Hello" not "Hello, Liebermann, Inc.". They hang up on people when pressed for details. They can't give proper details when they do try. They tell people not to come visit right now.

The people behind the site or the company was not the original intent of your "

and " posts. If it was, you sure hid it well. I wouldn't buy from them unless they had some good resellerratings or word of mouth. Same as any other place. I never said otherwise. You talking about the tech was the part that I was in disagreement with. Asus is the one that calls 3Coms tech AI NET. They are also the ones that brand their stuff AI (asus intelligence). Sager doesn't make their own laptops. The company that they buy theirs from does make a 15" QXGA laptop. It says on the page that it is an overclocked P4. Like I said, it is all real stuff that you can go out and buy. You did not seem to believe. It seems that you got your ego bruised and just don't want to go out like that. Fine. Whatever. You and I both know that you did not know what you were talking about. You can bash on the site/owners/phone answerers all day long. That doesn't change you being wrong with the eye rolls and winks.

 

[Eug]

Sorry my friend, but it seems to me that you're embarrassed you've been taken in by a site that's simply full of it. As we both (now) know, they've simply taken buzzwords, nice pictures, and created a hoax/fake/scam/flybynight website but you've spent all your time in this thread defending them.

I calls 'em as I sees them, and this site is not to be trusted.

 

[Pariah]

Fake or not, they've fooled quite a few larger sites in to posting a press release about their Grand Canyon monitor line being released.

 

[CBone]

Originally posted by: Eug
Sorry my friend, but it seems to me that you're embarrassed you've been taken in by a site that's simply full of it. As we both (now) know, they've simply taken buzzwords, nice pictures, and created a hoax/fake/scam/flybynight website but you've spent all your time in this thread defending them.

I calls 'em as I sees them, and this site is not to be trusted.

Dude, are you thick? I am not saying that they are a reputable site. But it is perfectly reasonable that they are in fact selling the items on the page. The items are real. If you were so inclined, you could build one yourself.

Let's say that I made a site. On that site I have some items. Person A rolls his eyes and first talks smack at the items (not the company, not the person who registered the site, but the items) because he doesn't know as much as he thinks. Person B looks at the site after that and sees that all of the items are real and that Person A didn't read and didn't recognize the things on the page. The buzzwords and nice pictures probably threw Person A off because he likes it when sites look all like crap and don't use cool hep phrases like "Airport Extreme" or "FireWire" or "iChat" or "iSight" or "quantispeed" or "netburst". Person B thinks that Person A will perhaps just say "Oh. I didn't know. You learn something everyday." and call it a day. Wrong. Person A acts like a little kid and thinks, "I was wrong, huh? Well... uh... How about THIS!" and looks like a dink.

 

[Eug]

OK guys then let's agree to disagree. You may interpret my posts however you wish. It's derailed the intent of this thread.

Back on topic:

I believe for certain apps like Photoshop, the dual G5 is probably amongst the fastest out there.

For floating point intensive apps, the dual G5 will do very well, but it's likely the fastest Opterons have an advantage, esp. with its integrated memory controller. On a single CPU system, a G5 has more bandwidth, but loses once you go to dual.

For integer intensive apps both the Xeon and the Opterons will beat the dual G5.

It also depends on the release dates on new CPUs. A dual 2.4-2.5 GHz G5 won't be out until Jan/Feb. 2004. Prescott 3.6 should be out by then, and who knows what Opterons will be available.