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iGas

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When I was in basic, more often than not, when one guy screws up the whole squad, or platoon would be punished.
They trained people to obey with out questioning and use peer pressure for the fear of collective punishment. It reassure that no one would speak up or reject if they are sent out to kill people or 1 go mental and kill the innocents. However, there are ways such as fragging has been used in the past to get even.
 
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unokitty

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My drill sergeant wasn't like my mother.
My drill sergeant wasn't like my father.
My drill sergeant, he didn't love me.

At USARPAC Basic Sentry Dog School, we had a drill sergeant who just walked around and randomly fired his M-14. Sergeant Rat Dog we called him.

In my Platoon, we had three Sentry Dog Squads. For my 15 months and 28 nights, each night, two of those squads were on the perimeter. Rain, typhoon, whatever, if it was dark there was a dog squad on the perimeter...

No lights on the perimeter. No rain shelters either. Though, each of us carried a poncho...

Rat Dog retired around Land Between the Lakes. Meant to visit him. But, he died before I could get there.

One thing I learned from Sergeant Rat Dog though. No matter how much my job sucked. There was always someone that had a job that sucked more.

Standing out in the rain sucks. But on the official suckage scale, it doesn't rate that high... at all.

Uno
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EliteRetard

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Washing in the rain is the best...it does all the rinsing and dries slowly for a spot free shine.
 

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They trained people to obey with out questioning and use peer pressure for the fear of collective punishment. It reassure that no one would speak up or reject if they are sent out to kill people or 1 go mental and kill the innocents. However, there are ways such as fragging has been used in the past to get even.

209 fraggings in 1970... Damn.
 

MongGrel

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We always liked sending new guys to the squadron down to OMD years ago to ask for 10 feet of flight line.

Or if really wanted to be sadistic, we send em down for a Skyhook, then have them send them to others areas of the base all day looking for one.

The guys that had been there awhile knew when someone came in asking to send em the next place and would call ahead.
 

shortylickens

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We always liked sending new guys to the squadron down to OMD years ago to ask for 10 feet of flight line.

Or if really wanted to be sadistic, we send em down for a Skyhook, then have them send them to others areas of the base all day looking for one.

The guys that had been there awhile knew when someone came in asking to send em the next place and would call ahead.

When people did shit like that to me, I just fucked off all day, usually in hiding.
They rarely did it twice.
 

momeNt

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Military can't even serve on US soil, so how are they protecting our "freedom"?

By protecting us from rising threats that would eventually come to take away our freedoms. Sure, Germany never mounted an attack on our soil, so maybe we should have only been in the Asian theater, but by the time Germany would have attacked, it would have been too late.

Same goes for Iraq and Afghanistan, they were harboring terrorists and developing WMDs specifically designed to destabilize free countries, the USA being the main target.
 

Dannar26

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Lol at all the people who decry this as a waste.

It's punishment. It's discipline. It will make the soldier a better soldier, because we have to endure stuff most civilians would shit themselves over.

If only all branches of government could be subjected to this...Might make going to the dmv bit more interesting
 

squarecut1

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Lol at all the people who decry this as a waste.

It's punishment. It's discipline. It will make the soldier a better soldier, because we have to endure stuff most civilians would shit themselves over.

If only all branches of government could be subjected to this...Might make going to the dmv bit more interesting
Hardly is much of a 'punishment'
 

shortylickens

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When people did shit like that to me, I didn't fall for it.


Yeah but you're a lying fucktard asscunt, so why should I even believe you?


Over the line. Please confine your lover's quarrel to where it started and where it belongs, which is NOT here on ATF.

Perknose
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iGas

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209 fraggings in 1970... Damn.
Don't pissed off the enlisted caucasian subordinate.

About 20 percent were African American, and about 7 percent were draftees. Most had enlisted in the service and supported the war.

Consistent with the command structure at the company and battery level, captains and first sergeants were their most common targets, and 75 percent of the perpetrators had been at some time involved in a verbal or physical altercation with their victims.
 
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It doesn't seem that bad at all. In Great Lakes during basic we'd pull 48Hrs straight all the time to get your watches out of the way. You literally just stood there in a compartment doing Jack shit all night. Memorizing useless general orders.
 

Mermaidman

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Oh trust me, if the squad gets punished enough from the same guys screw ups He would get a late night visit. I forget what we called it back then, but it involved heavy objects in pillow cases. I remember one guy that never showered, and we solved that problem with 5 guys, and hard floor scrubbing brushes.

How do you avoid pushing someone over the edge? e.g.
Soldier murders 5 comrades.

Are psych profiles routinely done to weed out mentally unfit recruits?
 

Perknose

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Against the threats made up and real which Big Brother tells you to be scared of.

I was in on 9/11, graduating C school from Great Lakes.
We had a multi-trillion dollar military at the time. Completely unable to prevent a triple attack on US Soil.
In fact it was a group of disorganized civilians who actually prevented it from being much worse.

We dump assloads of money into a giant machine that looks good but doesnt really do what its claimed to.

Did they cut back on the budget?
No.
They just formed a new department, told them to do the job the military was originally supposed to do, mismanaged both departments, then spent years blaming each other on capital hill. While they make money and good men die.

Fucked up system all around.
Thats why I keep voting for DoD cuts and improvements in our schools. We need to redevelop our capital base (young minds) or else we're in deep shit 100 years from now.

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roguerower

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Against the threats made up and real which Big Brother tells you to be scared of.

I was in on 9/11, graduating C school from Great Lakes.
We had a multi-trillion dollar military at the time. Completely unable to prevent a triple attack on US Soil.
In fact it was a group of disorganized civilians who actually prevented it from being much worse.

We dump assloads of money into a giant machine that looks good but doesnt really do what its claimed to.

Did they cut back on the budget?
No.
They just formed a new department, told them to do the job the military was originally supposed to do, mismanaged both departments, then spent years blaming each other on capital hill. While they make money and good men die.

Fucked up system all around.
Thats why I keep voting for DoD cuts and improvements in our schools. We need to redevelop our capital base (young minds) or else we're in deep shit 100 years from now.

The US military in it's state at the time (late 90s, early 00s) was never meant to fight a small compartmentalized group, i.e. terrorist cells. On the other side of the coin, there are 16 different intelligence organizations that have a history of refusing to talk to one another because of turf wars. Each branch of the military has its own intelligence group, on top of the other four agencies in the DoD.

Post cold war the Air Force and the Army lost their mission and began wandering and trying to define themselves in the new world order. In my opinion the Air Force was hit the worst. SAC was a thing of the past, almost overnight because where's the need for a large bomber force when the big bad enemy (vs. smaller more scattered enemies) is no more? What's the point of a 5th generation fighter when everyone who isn't our ally is introducing 4th gen fighters at best. The army took a hit, but more because of the size of it than anything. That and they never modified their training to anticipate the smaller more urban conflicts that would be the new style of warfighting. The Navy was impacted, but on a much smaller scale. The role of the nuclear submarine was thrown into question and still is for the most part. The SSNs serve a role in carrier defense but there's no other blue water navy in the world for them to hunt. The SSBNs have started to be modified into SSGNs for land and fleet attack. Carriers and amphibs are still used for power projection and humanitarian efforts. The Marine Corps role has been changing ever since the 2nd World War. The chances of having to attack a beach head and establish an LZ is probably slim to none these days. Every Marine is a Marine first and foremost. All go through the same indoc system (Boot Camp for Enlisted and OCS/TBS for Officers) and when push comes to shove they all have the same basic skillset.

The true problem is the size of the United States. The borders are too expansive and too varying in terrain to be monitored effectively. Compare the US to Israel. Israel has four (4!) international airports and Ben Gurion is the only major one. The other three see MAYBE 10,000 people each a year. Their land borders are SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than ours and they monitor them as much or more than we do because everyone surrounding them wants them dead. Yet for all of their security they still see suicide bombers within their borders with much greater regularity than the US people can imagine.

The illusion of security in the US is very real. The military is not, nor will it ever be equipped to deal with internal threats unless it is altered at its most basic level. The organization (DHS) tasked with that protection is hampered by legislators, inefficiency, and the sheer magnitude of the task at hand.

I'm pretty sure I just rambled there, but there's a legit thought and sentence every once in a while.
 
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