Seems like the most likely outcome. Though I would quibble over the "saves the country" description.
But he speaks complete sentences!!!!!!Well I mean Trump tried a coup last time so putting him back in power seems like a bad idea, assuming you think democracy is a vital part of what America is.
But he speaks complete sentences!!!!!!
Some of it.Of course because you like what you see.
Some of it.
Bottom line is that no matter who is elected the republic will stand. The whole "saving democracy" thing is over blown hype to frighten the rubes. At some point it will be used to justify questionable actions. I guess we should toss "the most important election of our time" into that mix. Though I think the Trump team missed a beat by not adopting it.
Regardless of what you or I think, it will be settled out in a few months. Trump will go on to being a general rabble rouser, Biden will stumble through another four years of minor blunders and sniffing's. Life will go on.
The whole ‘don’t worry guys, he won’t succeed with the next coup attempt either’ is, uhm, not comforting.Some of it.
Bottom line is that no matter who is elected the republic will stand. The whole "saving democracy" thing is over blown hype to frighten the rubes. At some point it will be used to justify questionable actions. I guess we should toss "the most important election of our time" into that mix. Though I think the Trump team missed a beat by not adopting it.
Regardless of what you or I think, it will be settled out in a few months. Trump will go on to being a general rabble rouser, Biden will stumble through another four years of minor blunders and sniffing's. Life will go on.
The whole ‘don’t worry guys, he won’t succeed with the next coup attempt either’ is, uhm, not comforting.
We both know Trump attempted to end democracy last time he was in power. What about him has changed over the last four years that makes you think he won’t try again?
I agree that is the most likely answer.At a certain point you have to assume that people who refuse to admit this reality actually would be fine with the outcome as long as their team is in power.
I agree that is the most likely answer.
What’s scary is Trump’s last coup attempt had the veneer of legality and I imagine the next one will too. Had Pence thrown out Biden’s victory and then the House installed Trump the line from conservatives wouldn’t be ‘we just did a coup lol’ it would be ‘there was uncertainty and fraud in the vote counts and the House stepped in to resolve the issue. The system works!’
If/when a successful coup happens we will still have elections just like they still have them in Russia and other autocracies. They just won’t mean anything.
Still, looking at the reaction to that event - it was reacted to fairly rapidly and made no real gains. I think it actually hardened the resolve of the most important institutions to prevent it (despite the babbling fools pandering to their base). The FBI, for instance, did it's job.Trump literally tried to overthrow the constitutional order, something that has not happened since 1860 and triggered a civil war killing over half a million Americans. A major breakdown if he obtains power again is not a negligible risk and your assumption that things will continue simply because that's what happens is deeply flawed.
Had Pence gone along with Trump that would have done it. We were one person away from a successful coup.Still, looking at the reaction to that event - it was reacted to fairly rapidly and made no real gains. I think it actually hardened the resolve of the most important institutions to prevent it (despite the babbling fools pandering to their base). The FBI, for instance, did it's job.
My concern is, how we as a country, address the smoldering concerns that developed into this madness without creating the foundations of a possible civil war. When Robert Reich travelled around the country prior to the 2016 election - he found many people who wanted either Trump, or Bernie Sanders. They didn't care about party, they cared about being heard. They felt that they were being screwed (and in some important ways, they were). The wealthy, and powerful, are happy to manipulate the populace to continue to increase their wealth and power.
We can't just claim that 40% of the electorate are shitty neanderthals and push an agenda that further alienates them - and then say it's all their fault because they failed to evolve. That's just too simplistic and even being willfully arrogant. I just don't know how any of this can be handled sanely with the current social/mainstream media horror show of today. And so far, I don't think anyone (who really matters) has a solution either.
And Trump has repeatedly and openly talked about holding a 3rd term in office (both recently, and going back at least to mid 2020). After all, the 22nd amendment is just outdated and dead law, just like this Supreme Court has ruled that the 14th, and the 4th, and the 9th amendments are all null and void for all practical purposes.Well I mean Trump tried a coup last time so putting him back in power seems like a bad idea, assuming you think democracy is a vital part of what America is.
It wouldn't have been a success. Everyone assumes the rest of us would have just sat around twiddling our thumbs and let it happen. Look at what is happening in this country over a grave injustice in Israel. Now add in millions a mature adults to the protests that we are seeing on college campuses. Upheaval would come, for sure, but the result would be Trump and others in prison or worse.Had Pence gone along with Trump that would have done it. We were one person away from a successful coup.
Well, the worst thing about a second term for Trump would be Sotomayor or Kagan being replaced - somehow.And Trump has repeatedly and openly talked about holding a 3rd term in office (both recently, and going back at least to mid 2020). After all, the 22nd amendment is just outdated and dead law, just like this Supreme Court has ruled that the 14th, and the 4th, and the 9th amendments are all null and void for all practical purposes.
That is uhm, a wildly optimistic assessment. First, very little is actually happening here in regards to Israel.It wouldn't have been a success. Everyone assumes the rest of us would have just sat around twiddling our thumbs and let it happen. Look at what is happening in this country over a grave injustice in Israel. Now add in millions a mature adults to the protests that we are seeing on college campuses. Upheaval would come, for sure, but the result would be Trump and others in prison or worse.
Well, the worst thing about a second term for Trump would be Sotomayor or Kagan being replaced - somehow.
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Perhaps the almost manic level of drum beating about the end of democracy is good for campaign season.
But then it should end. IMHO.
This is about where I also remind people that Hitler had a failed coup a few years before coming to power. He even spent some time in the clink (which made him even more popular).Hmm, I wonder how many people had simular disussions and beliefs before Hitler took over Germany. I for one think that is a pretty clear and historic demonstration, as to why you can't rely on faith of the system, or the people who you believe, will not allow it to happen. I guess we can wait and see if history repeats itself, and we turn into Germany of modern times. Where Trump is elected, becomes a dictator as many people seem to support, including a lot of people currently in our government, and we have a world war, with it ending with a surrender where Trump commits suicide in a bunker.. just as it went with Hitler and Germany. Of course, the USA is why WW2 ended as it did. If we never got involved, the outcome would have been Catastrophically different. How's it going to end if we are the nazi's of modern times, and we are in WW3? I guess, we don't have anything to worry about, cuz faith is going to save us history repeating itself. If only the German's had more faith, Hitler and WW2 would have never happened.
I suppose I am optimistic. Because I absolutely believe that the police/military would mutiny; that at a minimum that they would stand down. This isn't some backwater country. This isn't depression era Germany. Honestly - this is Trump, not Adolf of Josepf Stalin. He's a moron - they weren't (though Hitler did lose his mind at the end).The most likely outcome then is liberals flip out and take to the streets, and Trump invokes the insurrection act and uses police/military to quell the protests. What we would need to bank on is essentially a mutiny within those ranks to forcibly remove him from power. Is it possible? Sure. Not a great bet though.
I want him to be able to walk… poorly just so people can make fun of him like he did the handicapped reporterI prefer that loses the nomination in a hideous floor fight at the convention. That would destroy his ego, which is the best way to hurt him.
Second choice, the fate of Hector in Breaking Bad, drooling in his lap and ringing his bell...
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Some of it.
Bottom line is that no matter who is elected the republic will stand. The whole "saving democracy" thing is over blown hype to frighten the rubes. At some point it will be used to justify questionable actions. I guess we should toss "the most important election of our time" into that mix. Though I think the Trump team missed a beat by not adopting it.
Regardless of what you or I think, it will be settled out in a few months. Trump will go on to being a general rabble rouser, Biden will stumble through another four years of minor blunders and sniffing's. Life will go on.
Yep! We have millions of ignorant people who are willfully blind of such facts.This is about where I also remind people that Hitler had a failed coup a few years before coming to power. He even spent some time in the clink (which made him even more popular).
It took Hitler two tries, to get there.The whole ‘don’t worry guys, he won’t succeed with the next coup attempt either’ is, uhm, not comforting.
We both know Trump attempted to end democracy last time he was in power. What about him has changed over the last four years that makes you think he won’t try again?
My fear is a hard right fascist administration takes over and has access to our conventional and nuclear forces.My suspicion is that if something like this comes to pass its going to be a lot more disruptive than many people might presume. Countries that slide into authoritarianism gradually and willfully are less apt to this but dunking America basically straight into a dictatorship is an experiment that's never been run before.
Look at the flip side. How different things be today? A MAGAt Extinction Level Event.Had Pence gone along with Trump that would have done it. We were one person away from a successful coup.
ShitlolIf he's assassinated, that will trigger the MAGATS to riot, making the Jan. 6th insurrection seem like a girl scout party...even if it's one of them who pulls the trigger.