piledriver pre-order pricing

[techs]

I hope the BD's show some real improvement. That will force Intel to lower prices, or up the speeds of the Ivies.

The mystical, magical 4 Ghz is real news. If only AMD had made a 4Ghz that could have competed with the Ivies it would have changed the game. Then Intel would have had to respond. The Ivies could have easily clocked at 4 Ghz and above but Intel, imo, intentionally hobbled them with the poorer thermal material. Intel plans on breaking the 4Ghz barrier at stock with the Haswells, I am guessing.

Alas, by breaking the 4 Ghz barrier with chips that were so obviously inferior AMD missed their chance. Remember how the piss poor Pentium 4's high clock speed was gobbled up because it could at least do some things better than AMD's?

A really good showing by the BD's might even get Intel to do another stepping on the Ivies to increase the clock speed.

 

[Cerb]

Alas, by breaking the 4 Ghz barrier with chips that were so obviously inferior AMD missed their chance. Remember how the piss poor Pentium 4's high clock speed was gobbled up because it could at least do some things better than AMD's?

I remember Intel having better marketing, and AMD becoming supply-constrained when they were better or about tied, from the time of the late socket Athlons right through the early Athlon 64 X2 CPUs. Also, outside of mobile chips, Intel tried to keep the P3 lines hidden, and kill them off quickly. Oh, yeah, I also recall exclusive deals with a few big vendors, most notably Dell.

The P4 (and later, Pentium D) was gobbled up because it was what was most available, and people still needed faster computer than their old P2/P3. I don't think it's nearly an apples to apples comparison.

Very few people are going to have any technical or performance reason to not want Haswell, if they are going to be upgrading for better performance.

 

[soccerballtux]

http://www.zdnet.com/pre-order-pric...op-processors-eight-cores-for-250-7000004630/
to be honest I'm really excited for these

zdnet, lol, I forgot they existed

 

[Ferzerp]

Netburst was just a dog. A dog that lived, far, far too long. It stuck around in various incarnations from 2000 to 2006....

 

[jpiniero]

AMD is usually pretty good on pricing, so that suggests that the 8350'd be competitive with the 3770k (at stock) in multithreaded. Lightly Threaded is a stretch however. Of course you would be giving up the GPU, plus the large TDP difference...

If only AMD had made a 4Ghz that could have competed with the Ivies it would have changed the game

Not really. I doubt many OEMs want anything to do with 125W desktop cpus.

 

[Idontcare]

Netburst was just a dog. A dog that lived, far, far too long. It stuck around in various incarnations from 2000 to 2006....

As much as a dog as it was it still managed to give the K8 a run for its money. After having owned 24 K7 Athlons and a handful of MP's I very much wanted to own a K8 but ended up buying a 2.8GHz Northwood because the price/performance ratio could not be beat by an AMD chip at that tier.

Compared to a Bulldozer, Bobcat is a dog...until you factor in price/performance and then Bobcat is a champ.

AMD is usually pretty good on pricing...

Except for those occasions when they are supply limited on initial release of a new SKU, then they are smart and they inflate the price in an attempt to strike a balance between their limited supply and demand regardless the resultant price/performance ratio.

I would read nothing regarding performance into the currently anticipated pricing of the 8350.

Instead I'd read that list price as merely being reflective of AMD anticipating very tight supplies of the 8350 clockspeed bin and demand by folks who don't care how it performs as being high enough that they can price it that high before demand wanes and supplies exceed demand.

I doubt many OEMs want anything to do with 125W desktop cpus.

Do OEM's really care whether the CPU burns 125W or 77W so long as the customer is willing to pay the extra $10 (max) needed to cover the added cost of a slightly less mediocre PSU, slightly less mediocre mobo, and slightly less mediocre HSF?

The Server customers who have to contend with 500 of those 125W CPU's versus 500 77W CPU's will care, so will the laptop OEM's. But Dell and HP probably don't care so long as the CPU is not burning up enough extra watts as to drive the BOM up by more than say 10% (because then they just negotiate the price of the CPU down by a commensurate amount and make AMD eat the cost differential).

 

[guskline]

Idontcare: Good comments. I "bit" on the 8150 below in rig 3 because I already had most of the parts AND I was able to snag a retail 8150 from Newegg for $170 on one of those super sales. I think there are a number of AMD fans who bypassed the Bulldozer and won't wait for the SteamRoller. They will pay @$270-280 for the "fastest" AMD chip. IF the 8350 matches the I5-2500k and sells for @$200 it will fly off the shelves.
I candidly recommend the SB/IB to anyone building a new gaming rig. With lots of tweaking and patience a 8150 closes the gap but you spend$$$ to do so.

 

[AtenRa]

IF the 8350 matches the I5-2500k

Match it in what ?? single thread ?? no way.
In Multithread even BD is faster than 2500K at default and OCed.

 

[guskline]

AtenRa: Show 2500k vs 8150 Multithread benches

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/7

Also have a look here for OC results

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2241712&highlight=

 

[Mallibu]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/7

Also have a look here for OC results

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2241712&highlight=

8 out of 15 graphs in the page you linked have i5 score better than FX so they don't quite back up your claims.

 

[AtenRa]

8 out of 15 graphs in the page you linked have i5 score better than FX so they don't quite back up your claims.

Take off the single thread graphs, we are talking about Multi Thread here

 

[soccerballtux]

oh no not this again
2500k definitely faster at cinebench
rendering
etc

BD competetive at BF3

 

[AtenRa]

oh no not this again
2500k definitely faster at cinebench
rendering
etc

BD competetive at BF3

Are you sure ?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/7

 

[soccerballtux]

hm, I must have meant 2600k.
oh, i5 to i7 that's why such a jump.

 

[Ferzerp]

As much as a dog as it was it still managed to give the K8 a run for its money. After having owned 24 K7 Athlons and a handful of MP's I very much wanted to own a K8 but ended up buying a 2.8GHz Northwood because the price/performance ratio could not be beat by an AMD chip at that tier.

Which raises the question, was that time really a time of insight for AMD, or was it just the Intel sucked so badly at the time?

 

[bamaland101]

looking forward to some real benches, but still wont be looking at PD until probably Q2/Q3 2013 simply for the fact that my 1045T is whooping butt more than enough for me

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Looks overpriced, just like Bulldozer.

Why would you pay $230-240 for this when a Core i5-3570K will more than probably be overall faster and consume a lot less power?

And I say "more than probably" because, even though we don't have official reviews yet, we know that Piledriver is nothing more than an architectural update of Bulldozer, just like going from Sandy to Ivy Bridge. Steamroller seems to be the one bringing big changes.

 

[The Alias]

I'm expecting at least in cinebench multithreaded for the 8350 to win against the 2600k . 400 extra mhz and 15% better ipc should be enough
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-2.html for how I got my ipc numbers

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Match it in what ?? single thread ?? no way.
In Multithread even BD is faster than 2500K at default and OCed.

Yeah, but the 2500K has been replaced by the 3570K.

And of course, it needs to be kept in mind that the i5-3570K is a Quad-Core with no Hyper-Threading.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I'm expecting at least in cinebench multithreaded for the 8350 to win against the 2600k . 400 extra mhz and 15% better ipc should be enough
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-2.html for how I got my ipc numbers

Even if it matches it in CB, which I doubt, heavily multi-threaded software is but one part of the equation. In anything that doesn't use those "eight" cores it'll still be a complete dog, just like Bulldozer.

 

[sequoia464]

IF the 8350 matches the I5-2500k and sells for @$200 it will fly off the shelves.

Problem is if BLT is pricing the 8350 @ $253 and the 8320 @ $242, it will probably take quite a while - like bulldozer - before the prices will tempt me.

Especially with 2500K's going for $160 occasionally.

 

[eternalone]

I5 2500k is superior to all AMD's offerings no one that knows anything about Cpu's would buy one for speed purposes. The SB G850 a $65 dual core pentium at stock beats all of AMD offerings even the 8120 X8. Right now not even the value segment cant beat intel, AMD is basically making money off its Video Cards not Cpu's. Get real!!!

 

[Jacky60]

I'm certainly not expecting anything to change which cpu I buy next (waiting for Haswell).

 

[alexruiz]

...The SB G850 a $65 dual core pentium at stock beats all of AMD offerings even the 8120 X8...

How about you get us some encoding bencharks and some BF3 MP 64 player maps of that G850 beating a FX8150?

Some of you guys are beyond fanatical...