pin mod for e4300

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AkumaX

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side note:

i ended up keeping both the 805 d and the e4300 combo (mainly because i used the 805 to flash both mobos)

now, since we're talking about pin mods, anyone have a diagram of how i would set the 805 from 133fsb to 166fsb?
 

jpeyton

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I have a pair of these E4300s so I'll try isolating BSEL1 on the second CPU.

For my successful mod, I did not isolate BSEL1. I only drew a trace between BSEL1 and VSS (along the edge on the bottom of the CPU).

I have not tried it with the ECS P4M800PRO-M motherboard yet. I just put the modded E4300 into my Acer SFF which has no overclocking features.

One thing I have noticed is that when the system boots up, it resets itself once immediately one second after powering on. Might have to do with the motherboard booting at 800FSB and then resetting to 1066FSB after detecting the new signal. I'm not sure if that is just an artifact of this particular system, or because I didn't isolate BSEL1. I do know that it boots and works great at 2.4GHz.
 

mhartsel

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jpeyton....yeah....let us know how it works out....I'm itching to get my chip and motherboard.....should get it tomorrow...I am just going off what I have scrounged up off the internet....the picture that I put up is one that I downloaded. I have been checking on different sites and it appears that BSEL1 isolated, but the connection between BSEL1 and VSS must inform the motherboard of the FSB difference between 200 and 266. I was concerned initially when looking at the mod that I found because it looked like BSEL2 was isolated, but I guess not. Someone on another forum told me that it should be left open. Let me know what your chip does........I'm just trying to figure out what I want to use for my conductive connection between BSEL1 and VSS, I plan on just taping over BSEL1 and then maybe tin foal.....not sure if that would be conductive enough or not......or I could buy the defogger repair kit I guess.....ANYHOW.....let us know how it works out. If this mod truly works to get you at the 1066 FSB, it appears to open the chip up to higher clocks and doesn't seem to mess up your strap/timing to your PCI/AGP circuits......Like I said in some of my earlier posts.....if this simple mod got you up near E6600 performance minus the cache size.......a cheap upgrade indeed .........
 

mhartsel

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Now that would be the ticket.....pretty cheap.....we have a radio shack downtown....I will pick some up on my way home from work. I just sent a PD805 chip back to NewEgg......I was surprised how little affect it had over my current system (Athlon Barton XP3200). It actually booted up slower than my A7N8X ASUS board that I'm using now....I was really hoping that my encoding times would come down more, but the PD805 didn't even get me to twice the speed. I have heard others saying that these DUO processors are 3 to 3.5 times faster.....Now that is what I'm hoping for....should find out tomorrow....thanks for the quicklink........I'll have it ready for tomorrow....
 

Zap

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: AkumaX
now, since we're talking about pin mods, anyone have a diagram of how i would set the 805 from 133fsb to 166fsb?

For 200MHz to 266MHz, connect BSEL1 to VSS (turn the "H" to "L").

For 133MHz to 166MHz, connect BSEL1 to VCC (turn the "L" to "H")???

Look at BSEL chart towards bottom of this page.

To find VCC, just go to Intel's site and get the tech PDF for the C2D. It has a pinout chart in it.
 

AkumaX

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omg thanx, looks to be EZ

edit: hey i took that pic from bryan_d from ocforums, and added the info from Tony from thetechrepository whom got the info from XeonTux from 2cpu and made this pic:

cpu connection fsb table

is this accurate?!

if your mobo supports it, i suppose you could jump from 800fsb to 1333fsb w/ e4300 (1.8ghz -> 3.0ghz)
 

jackwhitter

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get this conductive pen.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2104395
make sure you have electrical tape.

the first picture is a reference guide to the a socket 775 cpu looking down on the contact sides as though the cpu was placed on its heat spreader. the pins you want to use are G29, G30, and H30. (note* this picture was taken out of the intel datasheet for the lga 775 SOCKET, so i had to flip the picture horizontally, thus making the numbers backwards, BUT they are in the correct location for the cpu now.)

S775 cpu pin diagram *picture 1*

they are a 3 bit digital logic for determing FSB.
G30 H30 G29
0 0 0 1066 fsb (266 x 4) target #1 [2.4 ghz]
0 0 1 533 fsb (133 x 4)
0 1 0 800 fsb (200 x 4)
0 1 1 666 fsb (166 x 4)
1 0 0 1333 fsb (333 x 4) target #2 [3 ghz]
other codes are currently reserved

your cpu is currently setting a 0 1 0 signal, so all you need to do is make a trace from H30 to either other pin to make a 0 0 0 signal. However, since you ultimately want 1 0 0, it would be better to connect H30 to G29. the 2nd picture has the pins silvered for H30 and G29. the Blacked out pin is G30, which you will cover with a small piece of eletrical tape (color coded for your convenience).

pins to mod *picture 2*

make sure you tape off the H30 and G29 pins, so no conductive ink touches anything else. as the picture indicates, i've actually covered the edges of the pins to make sure my taped off section is sufficiently marked off. you don't need to cover the pins, just simply have them touch. this is a light digital signal voltage, not a heavy current carrying wire. (indicated by picture 3)

taped off conductiive ink *picture 3*

picture 4 shows a small piece of electrical tape covering G30, while H30 and G29 are still traced together.

blocking pin for 1333 fsb *picture 4*

from researching info about the 945G and 965G chipsets, i've discovered that none of them lock the pci express bus, so their FSB overclocks are severly limited without raising the pci express bus, but the pci express bus can only do 115 - 120 MAX before you start losing the ethernet port and sata drives no longer detect. However, when you raise the cpu FSB using the pin mod, it tricks the mainboard into thinking the cpu is SUPPOSED to run at that speed without any FSB overclocking, yet. hopefully, you can acheive 1333 fsb on the cpu and THEN be able to clock it a little higher. be aware, at 1333 fsb, your ram is running at its max frequency of 667 (all are at the base fsb of 333.). you may want to set your ram on a divisor, so it runs slower to see how high you can clock the cpu/board first, and then see if you can get the memory to match. if you have ddr 800 memory, you would be able to clock all the way to 400 fsb... your only limitation would likely be the board pci express clock. a stock 40 fsb overclock w/o increasing pci express bus, and most people get ~75 fsb overclock after setting the pci express bus to ~115. 333 + 75 would put you over 400 fsb.. at the limit of your ram.

@ akumex,
since you are at 0 0 1 for 533 fsb, you want a 0 1 1 for 666 fsb... simply cut a small piece of electrical tape and cover H30. i modded my pentium d 805 for 800 fsb and it posted at 4ghz, but i had to pull the fsb back down to 190 and run the cpu at 3.8 ghz for it to be stable in windows.
 

AkumaX

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argh that $6.49 conductive pen didn't work, i wish i read that ocforum thread before i bought it :|
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: AkumaX
argh that $6.49 conductive pen didn't work, i wish i read that ocforum thread before i bought it :|

What thread?

Pen worked for me; the E4300 running at 2.4GHz in front of me is proof enough.
 

jackwhitter

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i had a friend with this same problem, but he connected the pin to Vss, which is L30. you may want to make sure you clean off the pins first with 90% + rubbing alcohol. it is possible, the bsel connection is creating a floating pin id and in some chips this floats as 1 instead of 0... connecting h30 to L30 will connect it directly to Vss, which should pull it to ground very well. simply make a nice solid line from h30 around I and J and connect it to L30. make sure you have NO bleed over (clean all the pins with rubbing alcohol first). then take a hair dryer and blow it over the ink for a couple minutes to dry it out. it worked for my friend. akumex, try that and see what you come up with. make sure you get a nice solid line without any bleeding to the other pins. i find it easier to use the pen if i get some plastic and squish out the conductive ink first, then dip the pen into ink and mark the line, instead of trying to squish out the ink on the cpu (which leads to a bloody mess).

//edit
Core 2 Duo Datasheet
 

Shawn

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is there any reason to do the pin mod if my mobo supports manually changing to a 1066MHz bus?
 

AkumaX

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Originally posted by: Shawn
is there any reason to do the pin mod if my mobo supports manually changing to a 1066MHz bus?

if you got a really crappy mobo (like the ecs combo from frys) then its worth it

quick edit: the ecs mobo didn't accept my 805 mod, and will only run the cpu @ 100fsb
e4300 mod no go, will try again
 

jackwhitter

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@akumax, what precisely did you connect for the 805 mod? it is not the same as the e4300 mod...

@shawn, even though the board shows it supports 1066 bus, if the board "overclocks" to get this and the pci/pcie busses are not locked, you will not be able to get this overclock. the pin mod makes the board think the processor is natively a specific bus frequency and the pci and pcie clocks stay within spec.
 

AkumaX

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Originally posted by: jackwhitter
@akumax, what precisely did you connect for the 805 mod? it is not the same as the e4300 mod...

@shawn, even though the board shows it supports 1066 bus, if the board "overclocks" to get this and the pci/pcie busses are not locked, you will not be able to get this overclock. the pin mod makes the board think the processor is natively a specific bus frequency and the pci and pcie clocks stay within spec.

i did this (133fsb -> 166fsb)

btw, i can't access your pics that you posted. can you use a different host?
 

ineedaname

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Originally posted by: EagleDM
My current motherboard is the P965 Platinum from MSI, I bought it because Tom's recommendation, how wrong I was, to trust one opinion.



The current status of the BIOS does not permit E4300 overclocking because no PCI lock, so, any speed higher than 250 is a NO go.

I got a MSI P965 Neo - F for my uncle's computer and it went past 333fsb. Maybe u don't have an updated bios?
 

jackwhitter

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akumex, i did not try that one.. all i did was put a small piece of electrical tape over BSEL1, and it ran 166 perfectly. once i verified this worked, i connect BSEL0 to BSEL2 with conductive ink.

***** i am running my pentium 805 d at 1.45 volts *****

you will likely be able to get 166 fsb on stock or only with a slight amount of juice, but i had to juice mine pretty high to get 3.8 ghz. (20 x 190) 20 x 200 would post, but anything higher than 190 fsb would never pass orthos or super pi.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: jackwhitter
akumex, i did not try that one.. all i did was put a small piece of electrical tape over BSEL1, and it ran 166 perfectly. once i verified this worked, i connect BSEL0 to BSEL2 with conductive ink.

If covering BSEL1 worked, why connect the other two? Or am I missing the point of what you were trying to accomplish?
 

Silversierra

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I did the e4300 800fsb to 1066fsb mod today, so I thought I'd share some more information for anybody wanting to pin(pad) mod their e4300 using the bsel pins.. It worked for me (so far ).

I used the permatex rear window defogger repair kit I bought at the local auto parts store to jump the two "pads."
I will say it wasn't easy to tape and paint the cpu, the pads are very small.

Thanks to tweakpcs.com for hosting my pics!

Picture of taped and painted cpu.
http://tweakpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/dscf0037.JPG
Picture of cpu from above after mod.
http://tweakpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/dscf0042.JPG
Closeup of cpu mod.
http://tweakpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/dscf0044.JPG

I connected as was suggesed on ocforums, specifically from this picture.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9697/success1xz8.jpg

I had to reset my cmos, but then I got it working.
I have a biostar p4m890 m7 pci-e board that has fsb and voltage, but doesn't have pci locks so this was a good mod in my case.

I couldn't find too much info on the mod in google searches, so I thought I'd post with more info, and to say the mod worked for me.
 

AllWhacked

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Just wanted to report that I got the pinmod to work sucessfully using the method doh employed on the ocforums.

Here are some things I learned while trying the mod.

1) If you're using the ECS board from the Fry's deal, the board will post with an error message saying something like this computer is running at the incorrect speed and when it labels the processor and speed it is running at, it will still show e4300 @ 1.8GHz. This confused me at first and I thought that the mod was unsuccessful. But when I went into memtest, I noticed that it was indeed running at 2.4GHz. A search on OCForums also showed the same error message for users of the ECS board, so I guess this is the price you pay. But other than the annoying message, which doesn't really slow down startup, the mod works fine.

2) I found that the easiest way to apply the defooger kit was to simply eye-ball it and if you have one handy, get a magnifying glass and have a lot of light to work with. In my first attempt, I tried taping off the areas but that proved useless as the stuf bled under the tape.

3) If you are a perfectionist, you might want to buy a small paint brush to apply the defogger. However the defogger kit comes with a brush of its own but it's a bit wide. However, I simply pinched the threads with my fingers to get it thin enough for my needs.

4) Make sure to shake up/stir the defogger kit before use. It's was a bit wattery and the stuff ran all over my chip during my first attempt.

5) If you screw up, you can use rubbing alcohol to remove the stuff. The defogger comes off quite easily.

6) If you find that the defogger has bled over and bridged to another pad, I used a wooden/bamboo toothpick to gently scrape away the excess rather than redo the mod.

7) When connecting the pads, I simply painted over them almost completely. I don't know if you merely need to make contact w/ the pad to connect them or you need to cove the entire pad, but painting over the BSEL 1 & VSS pads worked for me.

8) I noticed that while running memtest of a stick of Patriot 512MB PC2700 that the memory would create errors. I know the memory is good cuz it tested fine on another system. Anyway, I swapped the memory out with Corsair ValueRam PC3200 and it is running strong without error. I suspect that the overclock might be forcing the memory to run too fast and I might need to loosen my memory timing. But I'm too lazy to test to find out conclusively.

Anyway, I'll report back with anything else I learn.
 
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