Pioneer 104 DVD-RW/DVD-R burner for $328 incl. software

gopunk

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ah we're getting so close to the point where it's a good buy for most of us

btw, you can back up dvds by just ripping and burning all the files that come out, right?
 

RGN

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Originally posted by: gopunk
ah we're getting so close to the point where it's a good buy for most of us

btw, you can back up dvds by just ripping and burning all the files that come out, right?


yup. My rents just bought a Set-top DVD recorder. Think VCR, only DVD-R. Its awesome.
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: gopunk
ah we're getting so close to the point where it's a good buy for most of us

btw, you can back up dvds by just ripping and burning all the files that come out, right?
Sorta. For single layer discs it's just a matter of ripping to disk and then burning the files. On my system it takes only 20 minutes to rip and then about 1 hr to burn. (That burn is at 1X on my Panasonic LF-D311 DVD-RAM/-R, but the drive above does 2X.) Or if the disc is non-encrypted (which is almost never for North American DVDs) you can do a direct disc to disc backup.

However, because many of the newer DVDs are dual layer discs, they don't fit on a single DVD-R. Then you're in for some headache editing the menu files, etc. to make it work over two discs. Or you can re-encode the entire movie to fit on a single disc. Hence I'd do none of this unless it's a rare out-of-print disc or something.

Check my sig for some general info.
 

tarfu

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i want to be able to backup my dvd movies, but i believe some of them are dual layered. can this thing backup those or not? if not, is there any way to do this with a different recorder?

if so, this is a hot deal.

-tarfu
 

TechDreamer

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8Gb of dual layer DVD video can now be copied directly to a 4.7GB DVD-R? Am I missing something here? I ripped "Apocalypse Now Redux" to my hard drive and it took around 8GB. Isn't the largest capacity recordable medium 4.7GB? I realize "Redux" is longer than most movies, but aren't most movies still Dual Layer? I always thought you had to do some magic to split the Video over Two DVD-r's?
 

Eug

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Yes. I've actually never done this because I couldn't be bothered. Plus good quality 2X-certified media for the Pioneer owners costs $5 a shot. So that's $10 for a backup of a $16 movie. (Cheap but usable media -1X- is under $3.) And you don't get the pretty case and inserts either.

So while you can backup dual-layer discs to TWO DVDs, it's a pain, but it's even more of a pain to re-encode the entire movie at a lower bit rate (ie. lower quality) to get it to fit on a single disc.

It's almost as if movie companies are making dual layer discs not only for video quality reasons but also to utilize the human laziness factor in preventing backups of their movies.

Just as important though is other factors: eg. data storage, making DVDs from VHS, making DVDs from your miniDV footage, ghosting entire boot harddisks, etc.
 

SirDante

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let me guess, tax in CA? damn why are all the cheapest places in CA? at least Amazon doesn't charge CA tax...yet
 

Sepen

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Originally posted by: Eug
Yes. I've actually never done this because I couldn't be bothered. Plus good quality 2X-certified media for the Pioneer owners costs $5 a shot. So that's $10 for a backup of a $16 movie. (Cheap but usable media -1X- is under $3.) And you don't get the pretty case and inserts either.

So while you can backup dual-layer discs to TWO DVDs, it's a pain, but it's even more of a pain to re-encode the entire movie at a lower bit rate (ie. lower quality) to get it to fit on a single disc.

It's almost as if movie companies are making dual layer discs not only for video quality reasons but also to utilize the human laziness factor in preventing backups of their movies.

Just as important though is other factors: eg. data storage, making DVDs from VHS, making DVDs from your miniDV footage, ghosting entire boot harddisks, etc.

It isn;t that much of a pain. I rip it with DVDDecriptor, get rid of menus and extra soundtracks with IFOEdit, sometimes I edit the vobs with VobEdit, and then if still needed I encode with RMPeg. Then burn baby burn. Once you get the hang of it it is easy enough.

Does anyone know how this vendor is? I tried to see if it had any ratings and came up with nothing.

 

vetteguy

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Eug- Hehe..that's exactly what I was thinking. Buying a $350 drive and $5 a piece media to "backup" (and we all know what that means) a $15 movie. Now once there are 40X DVD burners and 100 DVD-Rs for $30 sign me up.
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: Sepen
Originally posted by: Eug
Yes. I've actually never done this because I couldn't be bothered. Plus good quality 2X-certified media for the Pioneer owners costs $5 a shot. So that's $10 for a backup of a $16 movie. (Cheap but usable media -1X- is under $3.) And you don't get the pretty case and inserts either.

So while you can backup dual-layer discs to TWO DVDs, it's a pain, but it's even more of a pain to re-encode the entire movie at a lower bit rate (ie. lower quality) to get it to fit on a single disc.

It's almost as if movie companies are making dual layer discs not only for video quality reasons but also to utilize the human laziness factor in preventing backups of their movies.

Just as important though is other factors: eg. data storage, making DVDs from VHS, making DVDs from your miniDV footage, ghosting entire boot harddisks, etc.

It isn;t that much of a pain. I rip it with DVDDecriptor, get rid of menus and extra soundtracks with IFOEdit, sometimes I edit the vobs with VobEdit, and then if still needed I encode with RMPeg. Then burn baby burn. Once you get the hang of it it is easy enough.

Does anyone know how this vendor is? I tried to see if it had any ratings and came up with nothing.


Like I said, it's a pain. I was also talking about those who try to edit everything to keep menus and have them point to the right files. Anyways, the cost issue is still significant.

As for the vendor, all I've heard is one guy online order from these guys with good results, but nothing else (good or bad).
 

Sepen

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I am very happy with my Pioneer A03 except the 2x issue. Why I can't burn at 2x speed is beyond me, that is unless I use the freaking $10 Pioneer dvd-r's.

 

SirDante

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some Pioneer owners are suing over that.

btw, which is a better buy? ao3 or a04? i've heard there were a few small issues with the a04. and does anyone know where the pioneer dvd burner forums are? tia.
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: Sepen
I am very happy with my Pioneer A03 except the 2x issue. Why I can't burn at 2x speed is beyond me, that is unless I use the freaking $10 Pioneer dvd-r's.

Apple media is 2X certified (rebranded Pioneer), for $5 each. Go to Apple.com.
 

gopunk

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thanks for the info eug....


so i take it there are no dual layer dvd recorders out yet?
 

Katana

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I don't think it's possible to burn a dual layer disc, from what I've read the two layers are bonded together.
 

takeru

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anyone know a place for some good cheap dvd-r's to go with this deal?

stupid question:
if you burn a dvd-r at 1x, and put it in a 3x dvd-rom drive, will it be limited to 1x read speed or will it read the dvd-r at the full speed of the drive?
 

rj2828

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There are no stupid questions, only stupid people (jk)

Meritline sells pretty decent cheap DVD-R/RW's - see the link above. Of course, with the generic stuff, YMMV - but so far, I've had very good success (with the exception of a Toshiba set top box, it's worked in 5 other players).

As far as your speed question - it's limited in recording only.

For those that don't remember the early days of CD-R, let me fill you in - it was JUST like this. Earlier on, media was expensive, and generic media was pretty shoddy. You could record at 2 or 4x with 'certified' media, and uncertified media yielded all kinds of crazy results. In fact - the early goings of DVD-R/RW are MUCH better, considering the existence of buffer underrun protection. Don't want to know how many $10 coasters I made back in the days of 'fast (read - 4x) CD-R burning.

Pioneer makes excellent media - and in an attempt to save you money, let's you write to generic media just fine - just keeps the drive from writing at 2x. The difference - about half an hour. The actual difference - not much, because since the media isn't CD-R cheap, you're more than likely not going to crank out 25 DVD's an hour.

The dual-layer bit - check Doom9 - plenty of people do something to get around the whole dual layer issue, and it works out just fine in most cases.

Like I did with CD-R, I supported Pioneer for bringing an excellent product to market in face of some pretty serious (and only detrimental) competition. The remaining players - Sony, HP, Philips - all had vested interests in why they didn't want you to have cheaply available DVD rewriteable media and players (think RIAA and MPAA), and introduced their offerings mostly to fragment the market. For depriving us of our legal rights to back up media that belongs to us (and it *is* a legally established right, provided you own the original) - and for shoving the DMCA down our throats courtesy of strong lobbyists, I say 'Thanks Pioneer!'.
 

AAman

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newegg has refurb A03s today for $285, pretty good deal, A04s are down to around $320 new as well (hypermicro
and others at pricegrabber).

(got to dvdrom section and not dvdr/rw/ram section)
 
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