Piracy is terrible for you and society

[desura]

I think that the world was better when music was all contained on cds. Let me explain why:

1. cds sound better. No question. CD's sound better than MP3's. Beyond that though, like I've found that cds played through my discman sound better than like lossless files sound through my ipod, due to the differences in the DAC.
2. While listening to the cd, you can look through the little booklet, and that contributes to the music listening experience.
3. With CD's, you have like a rube-goldberg-like contraption spinning a disc and giving you music. It's physical.
4. CD's are actually more convenient than MP3 players. MP3 players require you to constantly manage your collection and play musical chairs, deciding which songs to delete off of it to make room for something else. CD's, you just grab one album and listen to it in your car or something.

As for society,

1. CD's provided more jobs and money for creative people than today's piracy-rife digital age. You have people employed as studio techs, the musicians obviously, the people working in record stores and the people working in warehouses, and then there are more people in marketing directing music videos and placing glossy ads.

2. the creative industries offered the possibility IMO of endless employment. Like, every industry, tends to get so efficient that no one is needed anymore. Like, the first microwaves probably required a lot of highly paid people to design and manufacture them, but as time has gone on and the processes have improved, they need less and less people. Because creative industries don't have an "endpoint" like most of technology, it can be a source of endless growth and jobs. I'm willing to bet that if digital technology hadn't decimated the creative industries, unemployment in the USA would be like 1-2% lower.

3. Creative industries are also overwhelmingly domestic, while nowadays, most of the profit (and tax revenue) is being captured by tech giants and asian electronics manufacturers.

So yeah, there it is. Another thing is that I don't quite get why people get so huffy about their "fair use" rights. Seriously. Is it really a big deal if you have 2-3 copies of the same work of art?

 

[JEDI]

i like my movies like i like my women.. free and

dciscuss

 

[PottedMeat]

is there one thing you want to talk about
OP is all over the place...

i like my movies like i like my women.. free and

dciscuss

in the freezer

 

[brianmanahan]

why are you posting your english 102 essay on atot?

 

[T_Yamamoto]

To long, did not read.

 

[Cuda1447]

CD's have nothing to do with piracy. Even if piracy didn't exist, CD's would still be antiquated.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I think that the world was better when music was all played live. Let me explain why:

1. Live sounds better. No question. Well, not really, but it seems better when you are high or drunk and surrounded by a large crowd. Beyond that though, listening through ear plugs sounds better due to the sound dampening effect. Maybe live isn't that great, actually...
2. While listening to the band, you can look at all the hot chicks in the crowd, and that contributes to the music listening experience.
3. With live, you have like an onstage performance with lots of movement. Usually. It's theatrical.
4. Live are actually more convenient than music players. Music players require you to constantly manage your collection and play musical chairs, deciding which songs to delete off of it to make room for something else. Live, you just go to the concert and listen to it in your seat or something.

As for society,

1. Live music provided more jobs and money for creative people than today's piracy-rife recorded age. You have people employed as roadies, the musicians obviously, the people working in ticket, refreshment, and memorabilia sales and the people working in security, and then there are more people in marketing landing local, regional, nationwide, and sometimes worldwide venues.

2. the creative industries offered the possibility IMO of endless employment. Like, every musician, tends to get so experienced that no one is needed anymore. Like, young guitarists probably required a lot of highly paid people to train them, but as they get older and their skills have improved, they need less and less people. Because musicians don't have an "endpoint" like most of society, it can be a source of endless growth and jobs. I'm willing to bet that if society hadn't decimated the live music industries, overdoses in the USA would be like 10-20% higher, creating even more job openings.

3. Musical tastes are also overwhelmingly regional, while nowadays, most of the profit (and tax revenue) is being captured by musical dinosaurs and asian youtube sensations.

So yeah, there it is. Another thing is that I don't quite get why people get so huffy about their "Ticketmaster" fees. Seriously. Is it really a big deal if you pay 20-30% over the cost of the concert.

 

[zokudu]

This thread is full of stupid.

 

[darkxshade]

Is there a reason you decided to go with CDs and not vinyl or cassettes? Is there a reason you did not address movies or video games?

Piracy became more rampant with the onset of CDs so maybe CDs are at fault here.

 

[Mixolydian]

Remember how fucking hard it was to open CD's? Try to peel off the cellophane wrapping, then there was that awful sticker covering the top of the case. It took like 10 minutes to open a fucking CD.

I DO NOT miss those days...

 

[BrokenVisage]

To long, did not read.

To short, me neither.

Sincerely,
long

 

[olds]

I like my mp3 players. It's about the size of a small box of matches.

 

[ultimatebob]

4. CD's are actually more convenient than MP3 players. MP3 players require you to constantly manage your collection and play musical chairs, deciding which songs to delete off of it to make room for something else. CD's, you just grab one album and listen to it in your car or something.

What??? The average MP3 player holds about 5,000 songs now. A CD holds about 18 if the songs are short. How is that more convenient when you want to take your music collection in your car??

 

[_Rick_]

3. Creative industries are also overwhelmingly domestic, while nowadays, most of the profit (and tax revenue) is being captured by tech giants and asian electronics manufacturers.

Support domestic criminals, not foreign producers!

 

[WilliamM2]

1. cds sound better. No question. CD's sound better than MP3's. Beyond that though, like I've found that cds played through my discman sound better than like lossless files sound through my ipod, due to the differences in the DAC.

Agreed, but this only matters at home, where I have the equipment to enjoy the better sound quality.

2. While listening to the cd, you can look through the little booklet, and that contributes to the music listening experience.

I have never done this, in 30 years of CD listening.

3. With CD's, you have like a rube-goldberg-like contraption spinning a disc and giving you music. It's physical.

Nope, I have used one of these for years:
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audi...ts/cd-players/cdr-hd1500_black__u/?mode=model
Much more convenient than any single CD player, and great for whole house sound. And now there are many other devices to rip lossless tracks to.

4. CD's are actually more convenient than MP3 players. MP3 players require you to constantly manage your collection and play musical chairs, deciding which songs to delete off of it to make room for something else. CD's, you just grab one album and listen to it in your car or something.

Nonsense. BTW, do you read the booklet while driving down the road?

 

[lxskllr]

CDs eat shit. Back in the dark days of the 80s, I looked at my stereo, and pondered the possibilities. I imagined a daughter board that hook into a receiver, and you bought your music on a chip, and plugged it into the daughter board. No shitty discs to get scratched, and with a remote you could pick any song in your collection.

In hindsight, that idea wouldn't have panned out with the rise of the PC, but it would still be better than shitty CDs. As to "piracy", modern copyright has done more to retard creativity, and the progression of culture than the best censors of old Europe could achieve. It's a blight on society.

 

[Murloc]

1. FLAC, use it. Ipod sucks. Audio nuts who can feel the difference between 320kbps mp3 and CD usually spend $$$$$ in quality audio sets. 90% of people don't even know what a bitrate is and listen to 128kbps crap on crappy iphone earphones.
2. I can read wikipedia or something, plus most people don't listen to non-live music actively, they do other stuff meanwhile
3. not since the grammophone died, it's all digital now. Plus, no one cares. You can still buy vynils if you're into that.
4. yeah and when the album ends or you want to change you have to fumble through a collection of CDs.

1. jerbs are still there. Music stores? Amazon would have killed them anyway. Warehouses? Unqualified jobs, pollution, increased energy use, waste of free space. No thanks.
2. Going digital doesn't kill the creative jobs, it just reduces the company profits. People for live concerts are as much needed now as in the past. Internet music stores still sell music.
3. Domestic creative production is limited and mostly niche here so I don't care

 

[desura]

1. FLAC, use it. Ipod sucks. Audio nuts who can feel the difference between 320kbps mp3 and CD usually spend $$$$$ in quality audio sets. 90% of people don't even know what a bitrate is and listen to 128kbps crap on crappy iphone earphones.
2. I can read wikipedia or something, plus most people don't listen to non-live music actively, they do other stuff meanwhile
3. not since the grammophone died, it's all digital now. Plus, no one cares. You can still buy vynils if you're into that.
4. yeah and when the album ends or you want to change you have to fumble through a collection of CDs.

1. jerbs are still there. Music stores? Amazon would have killed them anyway. Warehouses? Unqualified jobs, pollution, increased energy use, waste of free space. No thanks.
2. Going digital doesn't kill the creative jobs, it just reduces the company profits. People for live concerts are as much needed now as in the past. Internet music stores still sell music.
3. Domestic creative production is limited and mostly niche here so I don't care

1. As I said in the OP, lossless from an ipod still doesn't sound as good as just a regular cd in the discman, due to the 1-bit DAC stuff

2. The booklet has art, images of the band that are curated by the band itself, not by some group of internet nerds

4. With CDs, I actually find that I listen to a wider variety of music, because you have to always change. With MP3, I don't always maintain my collection to put in the newest stuff.

1. music stores: they also provide community (how many people have you met while shopping on itunes?). Amazon would be a problem, but reduced rate isn't near as big a problem as absolutely free.

2. Corporations are people, my friend.

3. Domestic production is creative technical work. As someone who is on a technology site, I'd think you'd appreciate a lot of the craftsmanship that audio engineers do.

Piracy steals from them and devalues their work.

 

[mnewsham]

3. Domestic production is creative technical work. As someone who is on a technology site, I'd think you'd appreciate a lot of the craftsmanship that audio engineers do.

You'd think on a tech site you wouldn't call anyone

some group of internet nerds

Get out of here you aren't really convincing anyone.

 

[desura]

You'd think on a tech site you wouldn't call anyone

Get out of here you aren't really convincing anyone.

You seriously think reading some dry wikipedia entry is better than looking at an album booklet?

 

[Ksyder]

CDs eat shit. Back in the dark days of the 80s, I looked at my stereo, and pondered the possibilities. I imagined a daughter board that hook into a receiver, and you bought your music on a chip, and plugged it into the daughter board. No shitty discs to get scratched, and with a remote you could pick any song in your collection.

In hindsight, that idea wouldn't have panned out with the rise of the PC, but it would still be better than shitty CDs. As to "piracy", modern copyright has done more to retard creativity, and the progression of culture than the best censors of old Europe could achieve. It's a blight on society.

The bolded description is basically what I do in the car. Plug a usb stick into the head unit and select any track through the folder structure on the stereo. Its pretty much the ideal setup except for the inconvenience of having to put files on the usb stick.

That inconvenience of having to load the files on to the usb stick is why I instead always stream from my smartphone to the bluetooth enabled headunit, which is more convenient since content can be directly downloaded to the smartphone. Thats the most convenient way I know of to listen to music these days, at least on the go. At home, there is a million ways to do it.

 

[Cerb]

I think that the world was better when music was all contained on cds.

It still is. There are too few equal or betteer options, so I still buy CDs, often used. I'm all for DD, but do it like GoG does games, if you want me to buy. CDs will die, when there are equal options for lower prices, better options for the same or lower prices, or CDs actually go away. The record companies could in fact help this along, and I would love for it to happen, but well, dinosaurs are dinosaurs, and those uppity indie people don't have the capital to invest.

1. cds sound better. No question. CD's sound better than MP3's. Beyond that though, like I've found that cds played through my discman sound better than like lossless files sound through my ipod, due to the differences in the DAC.

So fix your DAC+amp setup, already!

2. While listening to the cd, you can look through the little booklet, and that contributes to the music listening experience.

I do it once. Then, they collect dust, along with the CD itself.

4. CD's are actually more convenient than MP3 players. MP3 players require you to constantly manage your collection and play musical chairs, deciding which songs to delete off of it to make room for something else. CD's, you just grab one album and listen to it in your car or something.

You still have the same management issues. You can only fit so much, before it gets to be too much.

1. CD's provided more jobs and money for creative people than today's piracy-rife digital age. You have people employed as studio techs, the musicians obviously, the people working in record stores and the people working in warehouses, and then there are more people in marketing directing music videos and placing glossy ads.

CDs had, and still have, a large cost in producing and distributing them. If you could get most albums for $5, everyone involved would likely make as much or more money. Ironically, you can typically get actual CDs for $5 more often than lossless files. note that record stores died before we got to this point.

2. the creative industries offered the possibility IMO of endless employment. Like, every industry, tends to get so efficient that no one is needed anymore. Like, the first microwaves probably required a lot of highly paid people to design and manufacture them, but as time has gone on and the processes have improved, they need less and less people. Because creative industries don't have an "endpoint" like most of technology, it can be a source of endless growth and jobs. I'm willing to bet that if digital technology hadn't decimated the creative industries, unemployment in the USA would be like 1-2% lower.

Pure bullshit. The creative industries have, with some exceptions, offered the ability for people to get by, or get by really well but be used by others in the process. It's been that way for a long time, at least in the U.S.--easily since the 20s.

Musicians compose and play. Some get a break, but most popular ones are used up and spit out. Very few get much for their recorded sales, instead trading it for performing. There has been no decimation of creative industries in the U.S. -10% shrinking would be decimation. YoY growth is not.

3. Creative industries are also overwhelmingly domestic, while nowadays, most of the profit (and tax revenue) is being captured by tech giants and asian electronics manufacturers.

That's the same regardless of distribution method. Creative industries are fundamentally tied to their culture.

So yeah, there it is. Another thing is that I don't quite get why people get so huffy about their "fair use" rights. Seriously. Is it really a big deal if you have 2-3 copies of the same work of art?

No. It is a big deal if I'm not allowed to, though. They should have to produce something new to get more money out of me.

Oh, yeah, and your whole piracy thing is a red herring.

 

[mnewsham]

You seriously think reading some dry wikipedia entry is better than looking at an album booklet?

Yes, if you want to know more about the band and less about the current album in your hand, if you want to know about that specific album i am almost positive you could find a digital version of that same booklet.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I think that the world was better when music was all played live. Let me explain why:

1. Live sounds better. No question. Well, not really, but it seems better when you are high or drunk and surrounded by a large crowd. Beyond that though, listening through ear plugs sounds better due to the sound dampening effect. Maybe live isn't that great, actually...
2. While listening to the band, you can look at all the hot chicks in the crowd, and that contributes to the music listening experience.
3. With live, you have like an onstage performance with lots of movement. Usually. It's theatrical.
4. Live are actually more convenient than music players. Music players require you to constantly manage your collection and play musical chairs, deciding which songs to delete off of it to make room for something else. Live, you just go to the concert and listen to it in your seat or something.

As for society,

1. Live music provided more jobs and money for creative people than today's piracy-rife recorded age. You have people employed as roadies, the musicians obviously, the people working in ticket, refreshment, and memorabilia sales and the people working in security, and then there are more people in marketing landing local, regional, nationwide, and sometimes worldwide venues.

2. the creative industries offered the possibility IMO of endless employment. Like, every musician, tends to get so experienced that no one is needed anymore. Like, young guitarists probably required a lot of highly paid people to train them, but as they get older and their skills have improved, they need less and less people. Because musicians don't have an "endpoint" like most of society, it can be a source of endless growth and jobs. I'm willing to bet that if society hadn't decimated the live music industries, overdoses in the USA would be like 10-20% higher, creating even more job openings.

3. Musical tastes are also overwhelmingly regional, while nowadays, most of the profit (and tax revenue) is being captured by musical dinosaurs and asian youtube sensations.

So yeah, there it is. Another thing is that I don't quite get why people get so huffy about their "Ticketmaster" fees. Seriously. Is it really a big deal if you pay 20-30% over the cost of the concert.

A-

I deducted approximately 7% for not making enough sarcastic remarks. Overall, though, well done.

 

[Ksyder]

Its not like CD's went away. If you like the form factor then use them. As far as I'm concerned, good riddance. There are many ways to buy digital music legally so jobs are still being supported.

I'm all for having more options in in terms of ways to store music.