Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

No, Jack took the Black Pearl from Barbossa in the first movie. This whole "your soul belongs to Davy Jones" thing just came out of nowhere, and wasn't properly explained. It just left me confused.

Wrong there...Jack was captain of the Black Pearl prior to the first movie...at some point prior to the first movie, Barbossa led a munity against Jack, and led the crew to the Aztec gold...which ended up being cursed, and set into motion the whole plotline for the 1st film. Remember, Bootstrap Bill send one of the coins to his son Will to punish the pirates on the Pearl for turning against Jack and deserting him on an island.

Hmm...I guess you're right. But Davy Jones owning Sparrow's soul did come out of nowhere.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Question: Why does Jack Sparrow owe Davy Jones his soul?

Jack exchanged his soul to be captain of the Black Pearl...apparently Jones raised the Pearl from the depths for Jack...not sure why Jones would do something like this for Jack

No, Jack took the Black Pearl from Barbossa in the first movie. This whole "your soul belongs to Davy Jones" thing just came out of nowhere, and wasn't properly explained. It just left me confused.

No, Jack was originally captain of the Pearl, Barbossa led a mutiny. In DMC, Jack said he only captained the Pearl for a year or two before he was deposed. Jack promised his soul to Davy Jones to be able to captain the Pearl for x amount of years (I don't remember how many exactly) The reason Bootstrap Bill came to see Jack was because his time to captain the Pearl was up.

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Questions:

Why did the compass point all over the place for Jack Sparrow at the beginning?

More than that: Why was the compass moving at all?

It clearly shows in the first film that the compass is stuck pointing in one direction.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Questions:

Why did the compass point all over the place for Jack Sparrow at the beginning?

More than that: Why was the compass moving at all?

It clearly shows in the first film that the compass is stuck pointing in one direction.

That's cause in the first film, Jack knew what he wanted. My guess is that the compass pointed all over the place in the second filmi cause Jack does not know what he wants anymore.

 

[elevated]

I don't know if anyone answered that, but I think it is independent of him being cursed, more just that he never wanted to feel the pain of heartache again. Something like that.

The movie ending was too quick for me, for a movie that was drawn on that long. My favorite part was definitely the swordfighting in the wheel, that was ingenious.

Highlight of the movie: watching it in the same theater as cuba gooding jr

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
When Jack and company first visit the voodoo priest, there is a quick scene where the undead monkey is fiddling on a bed...and you can clearly see a lump on the bed, with boots sticking out from under the blanket.

My guess is that the monkey is fiddling on the bed because the body is that of Barbossa...will have to see on next viewing if the boots match the ones Barbossa is wearing at the end of the movie when he comes down the steps.

The voodoo priestess at the end does say that they will require someone who knows the World's End...my guess is she somehow brought Barbossa back to life.

One thing I didnt catch in the movie due to a baby screaming behind me (who brings a toddler to a midnight showing of a loud action movie???). I didnt catch the back story on Davey Jones...understand that he cut out his heart and put it in the chest...also understood something about him being torn between the Sea and a woman...not sure how love fits into his being cursed.

Also, is it me, or did it seem like the contracts that sailors make with Davey Jones are a bit inconsistent...Jones and his crew prove fairly violent on a number of occasions...why is Jones so lenient towards Jack in meeting his contract obligations, yet so harsh against Will Turner and Bootstrap Bill? I assume they will reveal more of the relationship between Jones and Jack in the next film.

 

[Starbuck1975]

More than that: Why was the compass moving at all? It clearly shows in the first film that the compass is stuck pointing in one direction.

I thought it was rather clever how they worked the compass into the 2nd movie...remember in the first movie, after they capture Jack, when Commodor Norrington goes through Jack's possessions, he states that the compass is broken...this is because the compass has magical properties, and only points towards that which the person wants most...given Norrington's character development from the first to the second movie, it makes sense that the compass didnt work for him.

In the first film, all Jack wanted was the Pearl and the freedom of the seas...hence, it always pointed him in the right direction.

In the second film, the curse placed on him by Jones drives Jack from the seas, yet it is the freedom of the seas which is heart desires most...hence the compass no longer working for him, as Jack is unable to resolve this predicament beyond saving his own skin.

Jack gives the compass to Elizabeth because her heart's desire was to find Will Turner...although as the movie progresses, it is interesting that the compass points to Jack at one point, showing a character development for Elizabeth.

Given that this is a Disney movie, and a Bruckheimer movie at that, I am surprised at the depth of character development across both movies...Dead Man's Chest surprised me by just how dark it was compared to the light hearted adventure of the first...then again, I remember people feeling the same coming out of The Empire Strikes Back.

 

[lokiju]

I saw this last night at 7:40PM and it was jammed packed on a Monday night!

But I thought it was a good movie but without a doubt got the "filler movie" feeling that I got with Matrix Reloaded.

I'm looking forward to the 3rd though and hope they can pull it off.

I was surprised at how much darker this one was though considering it's a Disney movie but guess it does have a PG-13 so was in line with the rating.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Kaido
I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't understand what they were saying half of the time...I don't know if the vocals weren't record well or what. Graphics were amazing though

Yeah, there were times when it was difficult to understand. Like when they were all around the chest, and Will Turner wanted the heart to kill Davy Jones... and Jack said he couldn't, but i couldn't hear his reason WHY he couldn't. Can anybody elaborate if they understood?

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
When Jack and company first visit the voodoo priest, there is a quick scene where the undead monkey is fiddling on a bed...and you can clearly see a lump on the bed, with boots sticking out from under the blanket.

My guess is that the monkey is fiddling on the bed because the body is that of Barbossa...will have to see on next viewing if the boots match the ones Barbossa is wearing at the end of the movie when he comes down the steps.

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WTF you're right!!!

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Kaido
I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't understand what they were saying half of the time...I don't know if the vocals weren't record well or what. Graphics were amazing though

Yeah, there were times when it was difficult to understand. Like when they were all around the chest, and Will Turner wanted the heart to kill Davy Jones... and Jack said he couldn't, but i couldn't hear his reason WHY he couldn't. Can anybody elaborate if they understood?

Because if the heart was killed then Jack couldn't use it as leverage over Davy Jones which in turn controls the Kracken and whoever controls the Kracken controls the sea.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: lokiju

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Kaido
I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't understand what they were saying half of the time...I don't know if the vocals weren't record well or what. Graphics were amazing though

Yeah, there were times when it was difficult to understand. Like when they were all around the chest, and Will Turner wanted the heart to kill Davy Jones... and Jack said he couldn't, but i couldn't hear his reason WHY he couldn't. Can anybody elaborate if they understood?

Because if the heart was killed then Jack couldn't use it as leverage over Davy Jones which in turn controls the Kracken and whoever controls the Kracken controls the sea.

Is that what he said to Will Turner? Or are you just assuming that? That seems COMPLETELY out of character for Jack. That's why that one dude wants the heart (the one that took over the govenor), but i can't see Jack wanting to control the sea through the Kracken.

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Kaido
I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't understand what they were saying half of the time...I don't know if the vocals weren't record well or what. Graphics were amazing though

Yeah, there were times when it was difficult to understand. Like when they were all around the chest, and Will Turner wanted the heart to kill Davy Jones... and Jack said he couldn't, but i couldn't hear his reason WHY he couldn't. Can anybody elaborate if they understood?

Jack needs the heart to force Davy Jones to call off the kraken. If Will were to kill Jones, the kraken would still be hunting Jack.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: lokiju

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Kaido
I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't understand what they were saying half of the time...I don't know if the vocals weren't record well or what. Graphics were amazing though

Yeah, there were times when it was difficult to understand. Like when they were all around the chest, and Will Turner wanted the heart to kill Davy Jones... and Jack said he couldn't, but i couldn't hear his reason WHY he couldn't. Can anybody elaborate if they understood?

Because if the heart was killed then Jack couldn't use it as leverage over Davy Jones which in turn controls the Kracken and whoever controls the Kracken controls the sea.

Is that what he said to Will Turner? Or are you just assuming that? That seems COMPLETELY out of character for Jack. That's why that one dude wants the heart (the one that took over the govenor), but i can't see Jack wanting to control the sea through the Kracken.

I don't recall what he said verbatim but it's basically what was said.

He said something like "no, then I can't control Davy Jones" or something, don't remember exactly wording.

 

[Markbnj]

I was REALLY dissapointed with the movie. As many others have said, its simply way too long and drags on.. They turned Jack Sparrow into a cowardly jackass throughout most of the movie .. And the story just gets too complicated for its own good..

100% agree. I saw this with my three daughters. They loved the first one, but 2/3 of the way through this one they were completely bored. It was long, pretentious, convoluted, and made no narrative sense at all. Sparrow was detestable, Virginia turned into... I dunno. Not even sure why Legolas was there. Wanted to puke when Virginia liplocked Sparrow, because you know he hadn't brushed for about six years. Another big Hollywood risk-avoidance effects vehicle, and because it made so damn much money, we'll get a lot more of them!

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: lokiju
I saw this last night at 7:40PM and it was jammed packed on a Monday night!

But I thought it was a good movie but without a doubt got the "filler movie" feeling that I got with Matrix Reloaded.

I'm looking forward to the 3rd though and hope they can pull it off.

I was surprised at how much darker this one was though considering it's a Disney movie but guess it does have a PG-13 so was in line with the rating.

Heh - I was about to call B.S., as my local theatre listing only shows it as PG (http://cinema.gazette.com/fullstory.php?id=6766). But looking at IMDB it does show PG-13 I would have thought twice before taking my kids if I had known that. As I said earlier - it was a bit to intense for them.

 

[herkulease]

I have to agree with the critics who said the movie was long.

there are some parts that seem completely dragged out. some didn't make sense.

I mean what's with the tribe stuff.

one the best scenes was that beach they were on when they on to digging for the chest.

It was absolutely gorgeous.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

lol, anyone think of Monkey Island when they were watching the movie? lol?

Will Turner - Guybrush Threepwood
Elizabeth - Marlene (i think that was her name? She is the governer's daughter, so a loose tie in)
voodoo lady - voodoo lady
Barbossa/Jones - LeChuck (except LeChuck is a ghost, which Barbossa was, and Jones is?.. But won't that make one of them, Tuner's...brother?! lol!!!! if that happens, i'll laugh)

Right when the voodoo lady came about, and Will Turner grew facial hair, I instantly thought of Monkey Island. Guybrush Threepwood made an attempt to grow manly facial hair for the 2nd game.

 

[herkulease]

I tthink of this the 3rd one seems to have a quite a bit of characters in it and could muddy up things.

There of course it hte original 3. depp, bloom and knightley.

now we have barbosa back in the picture.

then there's the short white guy along with jack davenport character's desire to reclaim his life.

which brings in Davy Jones and partly the older Turner.

Casting info for #3 has Chow Yun Fat playing a villian too.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Is that what he said to Will Turner? Or are you just assuming that? That seems COMPLETELY out of character for Jack. That's why that one dude wants the heart (the one that took over the govenor), but i can't see Jack wanting to control the sea through the Kracken.

It isn't clear what the relationship is between the Kraken and Davey Jones, and if his heart has anything to do with controlling the Kraken.

What we do know is that Davey Jones sure as hell doesnt want anyone finding his heart...the East India Company wants the heart apparently to control Jones, and by proxy the Kraken and therefore the seas.

 

[austin316]

Originally posted by: Armitage
Pretty good flick, though long.
I think the PG rating was a bit genrous though. My kids (7 & 5) loved the first one, but this was a bit dark and scary for them.

its PG-13. why in the world would you let a 5 year old watch a PG-13 movie? are you trying to give him/her nightmares?

 

[austin316]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

More than that: Why was the compass moving at all? It clearly shows in the first film that the compass is stuck pointing in one direction.

I thought it was rather clever how they worked the compass into the 2nd movie...remember in the first movie, after they capture Jack, when Commodor Norrington goes through Jack's possessions, he states that the compass is broken...this is because the compass has magical properties, and only points towards that which the person wants most...given Norrington's character development from the first to the second movie, it makes sense that the compass didnt work for him.

In the first film, all Jack wanted was the Pearl and the freedom of the seas...hence, it always pointed him in the right direction.

In the second film, the curse placed on him by Jones drives Jack from the seas, yet it is the freedom of the seas which is heart desires most...hence the compass no longer working for him, as Jack is unable to resolve this predicament beyond saving his own skin.

Jack gives the compass to Elizabeth because her heart's desire was to find Will Turner...although as the movie progresses, it is interesting that the compass points to Jack at one point, showing a character development for Elizabeth.

Given that this is a Disney movie, and a Bruckheimer movie at that, I am surprised at the depth of character development across both movies...Dead Man's Chest surprised me by just how dark it was compared to the light hearted adventure of the first...then again, I remember people feeling the same coming out of The Empire Strikes Back.

In the first movie, they don't state the compass is broken. Norrington states that he has a compass that "doesn't point north"

 

[Starbuck1975]

In the first movie, they don't state the compass is broken. Norrington states that he has a compass that "doesn't point north"

For a compass to work, it has to point north...if a compass is not pointing north, to the casual observer, it is useless, and therefore broken

 

[Connoisseur]

Originally posted by: msparish

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Kaido
I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't understand what they were saying half of the time...I don't know if the vocals weren't record well or what. Graphics were amazing though

Yeah, there were times when it was difficult to understand. Like when they were all around the chest, and Will Turner wanted the heart to kill Davy Jones... and Jack said he couldn't, but i couldn't hear his reason WHY he couldn't. Can anybody elaborate if they understood?

Jack needs the heart to force Davy Jones to call off the kraken. If Will were to kill Jones, the kraken would still be hunting Jack.

I concur... Jack said something along the lines of "I need that heart to call off Jones's beastie from the hunt..."

I also concur that he was made into an EXTREMELY spineless punk in this movie until the very end. In the first, it was funny because most of the time he was running away from overwhelming odds (i.e. 1 person vs 1 million). But in the second movie he runs from EVERYTHING, even a sword fight with only a couple guys.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: austin316

Originally posted by: Armitage
Pretty good flick, though long.
I think the PG rating was a bit genrous though. My kids (7 & 5) loved the first one, but this was a bit dark and scary for them.

its PG-13. why in the world would you let a 5 year old watch a PG-13 movie? are you trying to give him/her nightmares?

See my later post. The website that I use for movie listings and such shows it as PG
http://cinema.gazette.com/fullstory.php?id=6766

If I had known it was PG13 I would have seen it first before taking them (or waited for the video).

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Sonikku
No, but the Kraken in general reminded me of a lot of Japanese Hentai...

Fixed. Perv.