Pistons Versus Lakers in the NBA Finals

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: jmoe782

Originally posted by: TheBDB
The sad thing is the turning point of the game was the BS offensive foul call on Payton. They were only down by 6 then, and afterwards Kobe was called for a foul and a T, and the Lakers didn't regain their composure.

bullshit!! he pushes off all the time. constantly!!!!

its called frustration and the lakers are full of it. they know Detroit is the better team.

Can you explain why LA can't contain Billups but Detroit can contain Kobe?????

EVERYONE pushes off when they bring the ball up court! Why did they choose to call it then? What great advantage did Payton gain where a call was required?

because he pushed off with an elbow to the throat.

 

[Layzie310]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: saxguy

Originally posted by: Layzie310
It's such a tribute to the greatness of the Lakers franchise that people would lower themselves so much to turn a blind eye to such a blatant screw job by the NBA just so they can see the Lakers lose. Say whatever you want, I don't care. You're just adding to my previous statement.

a tribute, you say?

here's another tribute then.. :laugh:

could it possibly be that the Lakers are just fouling more than the Pistons?

Dick Bevetta is the referee most noted for giving favor to the road team.

the Pistons are running circles around the Lakers right now. the Pistons are destroying the Lakers on the boards this series. the Lakers are shooting lots of threes and outside shots. Kobe isn't attacking the rim and he's settling for outside shots. Shaq's the only one attacking the rim and he's getting plenty of calls.

To whoever out there in the cosmos who's tallying up everything, please add two more to the list.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Layzie310

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: saxguy

Originally posted by: Layzie310
It's such a tribute to the greatness of the Lakers franchise that people would lower themselves so much to turn a blind eye to such a blatant screw job by the NBA just so they can see the Lakers lose. Say whatever you want, I don't care. You're just adding to my previous statement.

a tribute, you say?

here's another tribute then.. :laugh:

could it possibly be that the Lakers are just fouling more than the Pistons?

Dick Bevetta is the referee most noted for giving favor to the road team.

the Pistons are running circles around the Lakers right now. the Pistons are destroying the Lakers on the boards this series. the Lakers are shooting lots of threes and outside shots. Kobe isn't attacking the rim and he's settling for outside shots. Shaq's the only one attacking the rim and he's getting plenty of calls.

To whoever out there in the cosmos who's tallying up everything, please add two more to the list.

To whoever produces these, please ship a carton to the above poster.

 

[Layzie310]

Just keep it coming.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Layzie310
Just keep it coming.

don't worry, it'll be over soon

 

[Layzie310]

Originally posted by: iamme

don't worry, it'll be over soon

Actually, for true fans the Lakers are a year round thing.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Layzie310

Originally posted by: iamme

don't worry, it'll be over soon

Actually, for true fans the Lakers are a year round thing.

hey i've got all the respect in the world for fans who stick by their teams, even when bad.

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Poor Lakers and their fans I don't feel bad for you

I don't feel bad for the Lakers either. They are the fvcktards that are choking, not me.

fair weather fans like this are sad.

 

[Layzie310]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Poor Lakers and their fans I don't feel bad for you

I don't feel bad for the Lakers either. They are the fvcktards that are choking, not me.

fair weather fans like this are sad.

Yeah, makes it tough to try to read message boards I used to like. And I hate the bandwagoners for the Lakers who give us all a bad name.

 

[kb315]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: kb315

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: ZOXXO

Originally posted by: tec699
Typical fair weather fans. I bet most here probably didn't even watch Detroit all season and now you want them to win. The same with the Lakers.

:roll:

Not fair weather.

An NCAA fan following the Carrier of a former Wildcat.

Notice I have made no comments referencing either franchise's history.

Go Pistons.
Go Tay.

Actually I'm a fan of anyone who plays against hte lakers...

I'm a real fan? The real question is where were these so-called Detroit fans 3 years ago during the short lived george irvine era.(Not that it matters, but sometimes i get a little irriated(sp?) from all these fans that don;t even follow the pistons that start talking ball with me)

real fan checking in. check through the archives here and i was the only one posting in my own Pistons threads, lol.

i've been here through thick and thin. i was a kid during the original Bad Boys, a teen during the Grant Hill years, when Hill and Houston left, etc....it just makes this success all the sweeter

Haven't been real active here, but i post rarely, but lurk often at RealGM, I usually read the boards and discuss games with my friends rather than the web until playoff time.

 

[gunblade]

Rasheed finally had a better game.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: gunblade
Rasheed finally had a better game.

given that he wasn't in foul trouble (finally) and Malone was out....Sheed was bound to have a good game.

Steven A. Smith: "Medvedenko couldn't guard Kid Rock!" lol

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: Layzie310

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: saxguy

Originally posted by: Layzie310
It's such a tribute to the greatness of the Lakers franchise that people would lower themselves so much to turn a blind eye to such a blatant screw job by the NBA just so they can see the Lakers lose. Say whatever you want, I don't care. You're just adding to my previous statement.

a tribute, you say?

here's another tribute then.. :laugh:

could it possibly be that the Lakers are just fouling more than the Pistons?

Dick Bevetta is the referee most noted for giving favor to the road team.

the Pistons are running circles around the Lakers right now. the Pistons are destroying the Lakers on the boards this series. the Lakers are shooting lots of threes and outside shots. Kobe isn't attacking the rim and he's settling for outside shots. Shaq's the only one attacking the rim and he's getting plenty of calls.

To whoever out there in the cosmos who's tallying up everything, please add two more to the list.

To whoever produces these, please ship a carton to the above poster.

lol that's hilarious

 

[kb315]

All these people that are bitching about refs should shut up.

The reason Pistons are getting the calls is because:

1. Intensity - Detroit comes out every game, hustling and playing tough, Lakers just seem to be going through the motions (they came out pretty good today). Off Rebounds is a hustle stat and Pistons are dominating. Intensity sets the tone, if the lakers came out with hustle and ready to play real D, then the refs will give them more leeway with foul calls, but don't expect them to just start getting the benefit of the doubt on fouls when they decide to play D in the second, third or fourth quarter.

2. Reputation - Detroit plays physical defense, this is how we've been playing against NJ and Indy, NJ and Indy play physical too. Welcome to EC ball, tough, physical, grind-it out (ugly i guess to a non EC fan) ball. Thats how the Pistons have been playing, they are going to get away with things that LA is not because Detroit has that reputation same as Kobe or Shaq will get some superstar calls.

3. Frustration - Lakers are bleeding and the Refs are know it, they are not going to make it any easier. Even thorugh the Pistons had the advantage early this game, the Lakers couldn't put them away and they got frustrated. Refs will not bail you out if you are being outplayed and just bitching.

Edit:
4. Homecourt - They are on the palace floor with a real crowd, not just a bunch of actors that clap everything they do something good. The real LA fans are in the upperbowl. Pistons have real fans all over that harass and intimidate the opponent. Like the fan that pissed off malone (classic). Real fans will sometimes persuade a ref to make a home team call because they are afraid of the crowd that could easily become hostile. In LA the only real fans yelling at the refs are Jack, no one else.

Edit 2:
5. Hack-a-Shaq - One of the biggest reasons it that, the Pistons have not started to implement the hack a shaq strategy. They play him straight up for the most part double occasionally. Most of the teams the lakers have faced have done this. SHaq has at least 10-15 ft attempts because of that, due the fact that we play him straight up, he doesn't get to the line that much. Those extra ft are the difference on why the lakers average more fts.

6. Agressiveness - the lakers (not shaq) are all jumpshooting. That plays right into our hands. Kobe who has been averaging a lot of fts has been driving much, no one has. Tayshaun is can play Kobe straight up and contest the shot because he has a 7-2 wingspan(that is tall as shaq). If he does drive which he still doesn't do enough, the Pistons swarm him. I mean i game 3, the lakers shot 27 3s, that proves they didn't be agressive enough. The Pistons on the other hand are the opposite, the guards drive and everyone attacks.

7. Our backcourt - Rip and Billups have been unstopable. Rip has been good all playoffs and Billups always shows up against the Lakers. If kobe guards one, the other will get hot. The lakers don't have that Defensive stopper outside of Kobe to shut both down. THe glove is a former shawdow of himself. Rip is constant motion and will get a few holding calls. Billups will kill you with his penetration and LA doesn't really have any real shot blockers. It's a pick your poison type of thing. Yet both still can contribute, just at different times. Both of these players will draw fouls.

 

[adelphi]

i heard jerry buss and phil jackson have finally agree on one thing, the next season's roster


pg - billups
sg - prince
sf - wallace
pf - wallace
c - shaq (for showing composure and showing up when the rest of the team didn't)

abc announcers - bill walton
luke walton (part time ben affleck stunt /smirk double)

bryant will be in the orange uniform (the colorado saladtossers)

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: kb315
All these people that are bitching about refs should shut up.

The reason Pistons are getting the calls is because:

1. Intensity - Detroit comes out every game, hustling and playing tough, Lakers just seem to be going through the motions (they came out pretty good today). Off Rebounds is a hustle stat and Pistons are dominating. Intensity sets the tone, if the lakers came out with hustle and ready to play real D, then the refs will give them more leeway with foul calls, but don't expect them to just start getting the benefit of the doubt on fouls when they decide to play D in the second, third or fourth quarter.

2. Reputation - Detroit plays physical defense, this is how we've been playing against NJ and Indy, NJ and Indy play physical too. Welcome to EC ball, tough, physical, grind-it out (ugly i guess to a non EC fan) ball. Thats how the Pistons have been playing, they are going to get away with things that LA is not because Detroit has that reputation same as Kobe or Shaq will get some superstar calls.

3. Frustration - Lakers are bleeding and the Refs are know it, they are not going to make it any easier. Even thorugh the Pistons had the advantage early this game, the Lakers couldn't put them away and they got frustrated. Refs will not bail you out if you are being outplayed and just bitching.

Edit:
4. Homecourt - They are on the palace floor with a real crowd, not just a bunch of actors that clap everything they do something good. The real LA fans are in the upperbowl. Pistons have real fans all over that harass and intimidate the opponent. Like the fan that pissed off malone (classic). Real fans will sometimes persuade a ref to make a home team call because they are afraid of the crowd that could easily become hostile. In LA the only real fans yelling at the refs are Jack, no one else.

add to that:

5. Outside shooting - the Lakers are settling for outside shots. the Lakers are shooting 18.25 threes per game in the Detroit series. they only shot 13.6 during the regular season. 13.4 against Houston, 12.7 against San Antonio and 18 against Minnesota. When you spend your time on the outside shooting threes, you're not going to get fouled.

6. Not getting it to Shaq - with Shaq in single coverage, he should be getting 40+ points. and that's what it'll take for the Lakers to win game 5. give the ball to Shaq more, and i guarantee Ben and Sheed will get into foul trouble fast. Shaq's getting his calls nearly everytime he touches the ball. He shot the 2nd most free throws of both teams.

 

[Staples]

haha. Lakers are going to lose this year. The two dear old grandpas are not going to get a ring before they retire.

 

[kb315]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: kb315
All these people that are bitching about refs should shut up.

The reason Pistons are getting the calls is because:

1. Intensity - Detroit comes out every game, hustling and playing tough, Lakers just seem to be going through the motions (they came out pretty good today). Off Rebounds is a hustle stat and Pistons are dominating. Intensity sets the tone, if the lakers came out with hustle and ready to play real D, then the refs will give them more leeway with foul calls, but don't expect them to just start getting the benefit of the doubt on fouls when they decide to play D in the second, third or fourth quarter.

2. Reputation - Detroit plays physical defense, this is how we've been playing against NJ and Indy, NJ and Indy play physical too. Welcome to EC ball, tough, physical, grind-it out (ugly i guess to a non EC fan) ball. Thats how the Pistons have been playing, they are going to get away with things that LA is not because Detroit has that reputation same as Kobe or Shaq will get some superstar calls.

3. Frustration - Lakers are bleeding and the Refs are know it, they are not going to make it any easier. Even thorugh the Pistons had the advantage early this game, the Lakers couldn't put them away and they got frustrated. Refs will not bail you out if you are being outplayed and just bitching.

Edit:
4. Homecourt - They are on the palace floor with a real crowd, not just a bunch of actors that clap everything they do something good. The real LA fans are in the upperbowl. Pistons have real fans all over that harass and intimidate the opponent. Like the fan that pissed off malone (classic). Real fans will sometimes persuade a ref to make a home team call because they are afraid of the crowd that could easily become hostile. In LA the only real fans yelling at the refs are Jack, no one else.

add to that:

5. Outside shooting - the Lakers are settling for outside shots. the Lakers are shooting 18.25 threes per game in the Detroit series. they only shot 13.6 during the regular season. 13.4 against Houston, 12.7 against San Antonio and 18 against Minnesota. When you spend your time on the outside shooting threes, you're not going to get fouled.

6. Not getting it to Shaq - with Shaq in single coverage, he should be getting 40+ points. and that's what it'll take for the Lakers to win game 5. give the ball to Shaq more, and i guarantee Ben and Sheed will get into foul trouble fast. Shaq's getting his calls nearly everytime he touches the ball. He shot the 2nd most free throws of both teams.

Added a couple things to my post above that are similar to yours.

5. Hack-a-Shaq - One of the biggest reasons it that, the Pistons have not started to implement the hack a shaq strategy. They play him straight up for the most part, double occasionally. Most of the teams the lakers have faced have done hacked a shaq. SHaq has at least 10-15 ft attempts because of that, due the fact that we play him straight up, he doesn't get to the line that much. Those extra fts are the difference on why the lakers average more fts against other teams.

6. Agressiveness - the lakers (not shaq) are all shooting Js. That plays right into our hands. Kobe who has been averaging a lot of fts has not been driving much, no one has. Tayshaun is can play Kobe straight up and contest the shot because he has a 7-2 wingspan(that is as tall as shaq). If Kobe does drive which he still doesn't do enough, the Pistons swarm him. I mean i game 3, the lakers shot 27 3s, that proves they weren't agressive enough. The Pistons on the other hand are the opposite, the guards drive and everyone attacks.

7. Our backcourt - Rip and Billups have been unstoppable. Rip has been good all during the playoffs and Billups always shows up against the Lakers. If kobe guards one, the other will get hot. The lakers don't have that Defensive stopper outside of Kobe to shut both down. THe glove is a former shadow of himself. Rip is constant motion and will get a few holding calls. Billups will kill you with his penetration and LA doesn't really have any real shot blockers. It's a pick your poison type of thing. Yet both still can contribute, just at different times. Both of these players will draw fouls.

Edit for comprehension.

 

[iamme]

kb315, lack of hack-a-shaq is a great point.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: kb315
4. Homecourt - They are on the palace floor with a real crowd, not just a bunch of actors that clap everything they do something good. The real LA fans are in the upperbowl. Pistons have real fans all over that harass and intimidate the opponent. Like the fan that pissed off malone (classic). Real fans will sometimes persuade a ref to make a home team call because they are afraid of the crowd that could easily become hostile. In LA the only real fans yelling at the refs are Jack, no one else.

Fvck yeah. I hate Jack Nicholson so much, he is one of the many reasons that made me hate Lakers.

 

[kb315]

Man my grammer skills went out the window, its amazing what 3 hours of sweating and yelling will do.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
The sad thing is the turning point of the game was the BS offensive foul call on Payton. They were only down by 6 then, and afterwards Kobe was called for a foul and a T, and the Lakers didn't regain their composure.

Was that an offensive foul, or another violation? I don't remember foul shots.

 

[Elbryn]

Originally posted by: Dragnov

MJ was the type of player who would find a way to win, no matter what. Flu, bad shooting night, broken leg, whatever. He'd find a way to beat you. And when he knocked you down, he wouldn't let you get back up.

MJ didn't win every game now either. He had bad nights and been accused of ball hogging himself, but since its in the past everyone seems so quick to forget.

He'd step right on your throat and make sure all of his teammates did the same.

Kobe can't shoot for his teamates. How much more wide open does he have to get his teamates?

The other difference is that when MJ played he was the biggest superstar on the team. He had scottie but scottie was clearly numero 2. Kobe is on the same team as Shaq. Shaq is a physical abnormality and has the ego to match. For kobe to either stand up to the comparison or disproved it he has to go elsewhere. If he goes elsewhere and makes that team win then the comparison will hold. Sticking around with shaq wont prove a thing. I wonder how MJ and shaq would have been on the same team.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: TheBDB
The sad thing is the turning point of the game was the BS offensive foul call on Payton. They were only down by 6 then, and afterwards Kobe was called for a foul and a T, and the Lakers didn't regain their composure.

Was that an offensive foul, or another violation? I don't remember foul shots.

The bottom line is that champions don't lose their composure. Kobe isn't a champion, he's just an above average player who gets lucky every now and then. How many times would you see MJ get a T in a critical game they had to win???

So let's stop all the comparisons to MJ, because Kobe would be nothing without Shaq, and never would have won those rings without the Diesel. MJ could almost singlehandedly will a team to a title (Pippen was good, but not on the level of Shaq or Kobe). MJ>>>>>>>Kobe, this series makes it blatantly evident.

 

[DanJ]

Another fantastic game. Couldn't get to sleep last night for quite a while because of it...

And for those complaining about Payton's foul; he elbowed Rip in the throat/chin. Its a simple call. And for someone who said why didn't 'Sheed get a T, well he did. They both did.

GO PISTONS. ONE MORE!

 

[Rufio]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: TheBDB
The sad thing is the turning point of the game was the BS offensive foul call on Payton. They were only down by 6 then, and afterwards Kobe was called for a foul and a T, and the Lakers didn't regain their composure.

Was that an offensive foul, or another violation? I don't remember foul shots.

The bottom line is that champions don't lose their composure. Kobe isn't a champion, he's just an above average player who gets lucky every now and then. How many times would you see MJ get a T in a critical game they had to win???

So let's stop all the comparisons to MJ, because Kobe would be nothing without Shaq, and never would have won those rings without the Diesel. MJ could almost singlehandedly will a team to a title (Pippen was good, but not on the level of Shaq or Kobe). MJ>>>>>>>Kobe, this series makes it blatantly evident.

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Above average player who gets lucky every now and then? PLEASE SPARE ME.