Originally posted by: Playmaker
You've got to be kidding me. This is all on the fan's shoulders. Once a fan enters the field of play either via entering the field or by throwing something towards a player, all bets are off. I'm glad Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal fvcked up some white trash. It's about time players started dishing it back. If a couple of 5'8" fat asses are going to rush a professional athlete on the court, what do you think is going to happen? Self-defense of course. If any charges are pressed against O'Neal or any of the Pacers this is unfvckingbelievable.
This just lends more support to the popular opinion that Detroit is the biggest shit-hole in this country
that was crazy!
I hope the Pistons move to a different city because of this. This seriously makes me hate Detroit now. Worst fans ever.
And Artest better not get suspended. I'm betting only Wallace and Jackson will
Originally posted by: marcello
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: jjsole
The league issued a statement saying it was reviewing rules and security procedures ``so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.''
This attitude won't stand, and it will be stern's door out if he puts this all on the players shoulders and doesn't address issues of protecting the players from the fans.
Protect them from what? Having beer poured on their head? :roll:
You're an idiot. Please leave this topic. The fans were way out of hand and deserved to get their asses kicked. Everytime a player landed a punch on a fan I was happy. Fvcking drunk piles of sh|t.
heh. thing of it was it wasn't that guy that threw the liquid on Artest. it was the guy off to the side in the blue shirt and white hat. he thugged the wrong guy :roll:Originally posted by: masshass81
Originally posted by: venk
Originally posted by: kyparrish
i think we can all agree the best part of all this is that in the days to come, there will be great "pwned" pics and videos all over the intarweb
Let me officialy be the first.
zee pic
pic isnt working anymore, I wanna show my friends this one! hilarious!! :laugh:
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Artest and Thugs Inc will be prosecuted in a criminal court of law, just as Francisco of the Texas Rangers will be after throwing the chair into the stands. A lot of fans are going to get rich, especially the guy who Artest swung at first. It doesn't matter who did what first, NBA players have no place in the stands, and I disagree, the athletes should not respond and let security handle it. Artest is a brainless thug who will have a criminal record after this. Wow, just wow. NBA = New Brawlers Association.Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Ben Wallace is responsible for everything escalating. He wouldn't let it go and got all the fans riled up as a result. They guy has a couple screws loose.
Ben Wallace has a couple screws loose???????
Do you even know who Ron Artest is???????
Ben Wallace just had his brother die a week ago, so yeah he might be a little charge up and Ron Artest meant more with that foul. If you watch basketball and teh NBA, you;ll know who Ron Artest was and what that foul meant.
It wasn't hard but the principle of it, Ron Artest was making that foul to unnecessarily.
LOOK AT THE REPLAYS - RON Fouls ben across the arm with his left arm. Then he unnecessarily bring his right hand to push Ben Wallace to the neck. THAT IS WHY BEN WAS PISSED. Its one thing to foul him, Pushing someone in the air especially in a already decided game is uncalled for.
Most players will react if they felt they were purposely pushed in the air, no matter how hard it was. If you do look at the replays Ben Wallace's upper torso moves a great deal. If you know Ron Artest the push was intentional.
Bottom Line: If you push someone in the air in a time where its not necessary, no matter how hard, the player will overreact, pushing people in the air is how people get hurt. That foul was unnecessarily over the top.
Getting and giving hard fouls is part of the game - you make statements to rivals that way that you're not afraid and won't back down. And Artest put his team first by not responding to wallace. But when someone independent of the game cheapshots you in the face like that, which is far worse than what wallace received, you defend yourself.
You think Ron Artest was the first player in the history of Professional Sports to get some beer thrown at him. He still has a right to defend himself, yet he can't go into the crowd attacking who he feels attacked him.
You make it act like Ron was justified because hes a "man", and as a "man", he has to kick the guys ass who did that. They guy deserves to get his ass kicked but Ron Artest can easily point it out to the refs, and have the fan arrested and charged. Its about being civil, in a bar if this happened a bar fight would ensue, but in the NBA, Artest should just brush it off because the beer wasn't putting him into danger, it was one beer, its not like the guy is going to go buy another beer and throw it again. The beer was thrown and thats all the fan did, I would call it excessive force not self defense unless the guy threw a knife or something like that. Artest should have been the bigger man and just walked away like he could from Wallace.
Just because someone is independant of the game doesn't mean Artest should be allowed to attack.
With your logic, any player who has something thrown at them can run into the stands punching people because they are independ of the game. You know how many riots and all out brawls will occur?
Regardless of what happened, the NBA must set a president, under no circumstance must a player enter the crowd.
Even if Ron Artest was justified, he still should be punished because if he isn't, the league is telling other players its alright to go into the stand if the player feels like they are being threatened. No, the player should just walk away. If it is a clear threat like a gun or knife, the player should run away and not confront the man because thats only going to cause more trouble.
Think about it this way if instead of a beer the guy had a gun, Artest would have ran away. That means in a situation where Artest's security is more threatened with a gun than a beer, he would have ran as would anyone. So now since the guy doesn't have a gun an has a beer, Artest can jsut come in and started laying people out. (I don't know if the last paragraph made sense.)
Also, you say the foul was to show your rival that you won't back down, well Ben Wallace is going to do the same. Hes going to say, I'm not backing down either Artest and thats why the push ensued. This does happen and sets a good tension for the next game, the time of the foul was way off. Artest didn't have to prove anything to the Pistons at that point. They had the game wrapped up, it already showed the Pistons that they are not going to back down. If it had been done eariler, I doubt Ben Wallace would react the same way, or atleast with as much force because Ben knew the game was over and he knew the foul was just to add more salt to the wound, which is why he was madder then he would be if it had been done eariler.
(This whole post might not make sense).
I like what one of the analysts said last night...it wasn't justified, but very understandable. If they are going to leave the players exposed like this, with the fans directly behind them and no barrier of any sort, then the nba is at fault because sports at this level is very emotionally charged and its ridiculous to expect athletes to not respond. Other players went into the stands to get artest and got abused, and they shouldn't be disciplined.
And while artest took a little cheap shot at wallace, he had a right to be pissed and react, which he did by shoving Artest in the face. He should have left it at that tho and skipped the 'I'm no punk sissy' dance that he followed it up with, and then nothing would have happened.
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Your account has been suspended.
Umm, first of all this was no where near detroit.
This happens in Auburn Hills and Detroit gets the blame. So typical.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Artest and Thugs Inc will be prosecuted in a criminal court of law, just as Francisco of the Texas Rangers will be after throwing the chair into the stands. A lot of fans are going to get rich, especially the guy who Artest swung at first. It doesn't matter who did what first, NBA players have no place in the stands, and I disagree, the athletes should not respond and let security handle it. Artest is a brainless thug who will have a criminal record after this. Wow, just wow. NBA = New Brawlers Association.Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Ben Wallace is responsible for everything escalating. He wouldn't let it go and got all the fans riled up as a result. They guy has a couple screws loose.
Ben Wallace has a couple screws loose???????
Do you even know who Ron Artest is???????
Ben Wallace just had his brother die a week ago, so yeah he might be a little charge up and Ron Artest meant more with that foul. If you watch basketball and teh NBA, you;ll know who Ron Artest was and what that foul meant.
It wasn't hard but the principle of it, Ron Artest was making that foul to unnecessarily.
LOOK AT THE REPLAYS - RON Fouls ben across the arm with his left arm. Then he unnecessarily bring his right hand to push Ben Wallace to the neck. THAT IS WHY BEN WAS PISSED. Its one thing to foul him, Pushing someone in the air especially in a already decided game is uncalled for.
Most players will react if they felt they were purposely pushed in the air, no matter how hard it was. If you do look at the replays Ben Wallace's upper torso moves a great deal. If you know Ron Artest the push was intentional.
Bottom Line: If you push someone in the air in a time where its not necessary, no matter how hard, the player will overreact, pushing people in the air is how people get hurt. That foul was unnecessarily over the top.
Getting and giving hard fouls is part of the game - you make statements to rivals that way that you're not afraid and won't back down. And Artest put his team first by not responding to wallace. But when someone independent of the game cheapshots you in the face like that, which is far worse than what wallace received, you defend yourself.
You think Ron Artest was the first player in the history of Professional Sports to get some beer thrown at him. He still has a right to defend himself, yet he can't go into the crowd attacking who he feels attacked him.
You make it act like Ron was justified because hes a "man", and as a "man", he has to kick the guys ass who did that. They guy deserves to get his ass kicked but Ron Artest can easily point it out to the refs, and have the fan arrested and charged. Its about being civil, in a bar if this happened a bar fight would ensue, but in the NBA, Artest should just brush it off because the beer wasn't putting him into danger, it was one beer, its not like the guy is going to go buy another beer and throw it again. The beer was thrown and thats all the fan did, I would call it excessive force not self defense unless the guy threw a knife or something like that. Artest should have been the bigger man and just walked away like he could from Wallace.
Just because someone is independant of the game doesn't mean Artest should be allowed to attack.
With your logic, any player who has something thrown at them can run into the stands punching people because they are independ of the game. You know how many riots and all out brawls will occur?
Regardless of what happened, the NBA must set a president, under no circumstance must a player enter the crowd.
Even if Ron Artest was justified, he still should be punished because if he isn't, the league is telling other players its alright to go into the stand if the player feels like they are being threatened. No, the player should just walk away. If it is a clear threat like a gun or knife, the player should run away and not confront the man because thats only going to cause more trouble.
Think about it this way if instead of a beer the guy had a gun, Artest would have ran away. That means in a situation where Artest's security is more threatened with a gun than a beer, he would have ran as would anyone. So now since the guy doesn't have a gun an has a beer, Artest can jsut come in and started laying people out. (I don't know if the last paragraph made sense.)
Also, you say the foul was to show your rival that you won't back down, well Ben Wallace is going to do the same. Hes going to say, I'm not backing down either Artest and thats why the push ensued. This does happen and sets a good tension for the next game, the time of the foul was way off. Artest didn't have to prove anything to the Pistons at that point. They had the game wrapped up, it already showed the Pistons that they are not going to back down. If it had been done eariler, I doubt Ben Wallace would react the same way, or atleast with as much force because Ben knew the game was over and he knew the foul was just to add more salt to the wound, which is why he was madder then he would be if it had been done eariler.
(This whole post might not make sense).
I like what one of the analysts said last night...it wasn't justified, but very understandable. If they are going to leave the players exposed like this, with the fans directly behind them and no barrier of any sort, then the nba is at fault because sports at this level is very emotionally charged and its ridiculous to expect athletes to not respond. Other players went into the stands to get artest and got abused, and they shouldn't be disciplined.
And while artest took a little cheap shot at wallace, he had a right to be pissed and react, which he did by shoving Artest in the face. He should have left it at that tho and skipped the 'I'm no punk sissy' dance that he followed it up with, and then nothing would have happened.
If I was the NBA players I would be sueing the pants off the league management.
Convenient excuse to cover up for the rapid, unpredictable Pit Bull named Artest and his actions. Just like when Texas was blaming Oakland's security when Francisco threw the chair into the stands! My question, again, is what will happen when, not IF, Artest gets hit with a beer again. Would you feel safe in your cozy courtside seats, or do you think a SWAT team should be at every game to enforce these 10 year olds?Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Artest and Thugs Inc will be prosecuted in a criminal court of law, just as Francisco of the Texas Rangers will be after throwing the chair into the stands. A lot of fans are going to get rich, especially the guy who Artest swung at first. It doesn't matter who did what first, NBA players have no place in the stands, and I disagree, the athletes should not respond and let security handle it. Artest is a brainless thug who will have a criminal record after this. Wow, just wow. NBA = New Brawlers Association.Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Ben Wallace is responsible for everything escalating. He wouldn't let it go and got all the fans riled up as a result. They guy has a couple screws loose.
Ben Wallace has a couple screws loose???????
Do you even know who Ron Artest is???????
Ben Wallace just had his brother die a week ago, so yeah he might be a little charge up and Ron Artest meant more with that foul. If you watch basketball and teh NBA, you;ll know who Ron Artest was and what that foul meant.
It wasn't hard but the principle of it, Ron Artest was making that foul to unnecessarily.
LOOK AT THE REPLAYS - RON Fouls ben across the arm with his left arm. Then he unnecessarily bring his right hand to push Ben Wallace to the neck. THAT IS WHY BEN WAS PISSED. Its one thing to foul him, Pushing someone in the air especially in a already decided game is uncalled for.
Most players will react if they felt they were purposely pushed in the air, no matter how hard it was. If you do look at the replays Ben Wallace's upper torso moves a great deal. If you know Ron Artest the push was intentional.
Bottom Line: If you push someone in the air in a time where its not necessary, no matter how hard, the player will overreact, pushing people in the air is how people get hurt. That foul was unnecessarily over the top.
Getting and giving hard fouls is part of the game - you make statements to rivals that way that you're not afraid and won't back down. And Artest put his team first by not responding to wallace. But when someone independent of the game cheapshots you in the face like that, which is far worse than what wallace received, you defend yourself.
You think Ron Artest was the first player in the history of Professional Sports to get some beer thrown at him. He still has a right to defend himself, yet he can't go into the crowd attacking who he feels attacked him.
You make it act like Ron was justified because hes a "man", and as a "man", he has to kick the guys ass who did that. They guy deserves to get his ass kicked but Ron Artest can easily point it out to the refs, and have the fan arrested and charged. Its about being civil, in a bar if this happened a bar fight would ensue, but in the NBA, Artest should just brush it off because the beer wasn't putting him into danger, it was one beer, its not like the guy is going to go buy another beer and throw it again. The beer was thrown and thats all the fan did, I would call it excessive force not self defense unless the guy threw a knife or something like that. Artest should have been the bigger man and just walked away like he could from Wallace.
Just because someone is independant of the game doesn't mean Artest should be allowed to attack.
With your logic, any player who has something thrown at them can run into the stands punching people because they are independ of the game. You know how many riots and all out brawls will occur?
Regardless of what happened, the NBA must set a president, under no circumstance must a player enter the crowd.
Even if Ron Artest was justified, he still should be punished because if he isn't, the league is telling other players its alright to go into the stand if the player feels like they are being threatened. No, the player should just walk away. If it is a clear threat like a gun or knife, the player should run away and not confront the man because thats only going to cause more trouble.
Think about it this way if instead of a beer the guy had a gun, Artest would have ran away. That means in a situation where Artest's security is more threatened with a gun than a beer, he would have ran as would anyone. So now since the guy doesn't have a gun an has a beer, Artest can jsut come in and started laying people out. (I don't know if the last paragraph made sense.)
Also, you say the foul was to show your rival that you won't back down, well Ben Wallace is going to do the same. Hes going to say, I'm not backing down either Artest and thats why the push ensued. This does happen and sets a good tension for the next game, the time of the foul was way off. Artest didn't have to prove anything to the Pistons at that point. They had the game wrapped up, it already showed the Pistons that they are not going to back down. If it had been done eariler, I doubt Ben Wallace would react the same way, or atleast with as much force because Ben knew the game was over and he knew the foul was just to add more salt to the wound, which is why he was madder then he would be if it had been done eariler.
(This whole post might not make sense).
I like what one of the analysts said last night...it wasn't justified, but very understandable. If they are going to leave the players exposed like this, with the fans directly behind them and no barrier of any sort, then the nba is at fault because sports at this level is very emotionally charged and its ridiculous to expect athletes to not respond. Other players went into the stands to get artest and got abused, and they shouldn't be disciplined.
And while artest took a little cheap shot at wallace, he had a right to be pissed and react, which he did by shoving Artest in the face. He should have left it at that tho and skipped the 'I'm no punk sissy' dance that he followed it up with, and then nothing would have happened.
If I was the NBA players I would be sueing the pants off the league management.
Yup. I don't know if they are allowed to do it based on the players agreement, but there was some serious negligence on their part, namely adequate security for the players.
Originally posted by: kalster
gosh, this is ridiculous
so much for worl champs, the detriot fans are the worst ever, that city should never ever get a nba match again
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
that was crazy!
I hope the Pistons move to a different city because of this. This seriously makes me hate Detroit now. Worst fans ever.
And Artest better not get suspended. I'm betting only Wallace and Jackson will
Good for Ben.Originally posted by: KLin
They just reported on ESPN that Ben Wallace wanted to contact Ron Artest through an intermediary and apologize to him personally.