Pistons Vs. Pacers

[iamme]

this hasn't been officially confirmed, but i've read that suspensions may come as follows:

Artest: 30 games
Jermaine o'neal: 20 games
Stephen Jackson: 20 games
Ben Wallace: 5-10 games

 

[BRObedoza]

Originally posted by: iamme
this hasn't been officially confirmed, but i've read that suspensions may come as follows:

Artest: 30 games
Jermaine o'neal: 20 games
Stephen Jackson: 20 games
Ben Wallace: 5-10 games

I would have no problem with those amounts. Sounds about what most people expected. I heard criminal charges were being looked into by the D.A. as well.

 

[MommysLittleMonster]

When are the PWNED pictures gonna be posted?

 

[drew726]

actually lol i recorded the clip of jermaine oneal punching that guy to show to a friend

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: TheMessiah13

Originally posted by: z0mb13
wow detroit fans just have no class...

I'm sorry if I don't share you conclusion. I would of been throwing stuff on the Pacer team as well.

You are a fvcking dumbass. To be more precise, a sh1thead.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: artemicion
ben wallace SHOVES ARTEST IN THE FACE and he walks a way and lies down on a table relaxing like he's on the beach.
small, scrawny, white fan throws a beer at him and he EXPLODES IN RAGE and MAULS the person he THOUGHT was him (most likely because the person he chose to attack was smaller than the real perp).

fu.ck artest

Perhaps he's trying very hard to control his temper. Ever think of that?? And that beer was the final spark.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Moonlapse
As a Cavs fan, I couldn't be happier that the Pacers three best players will be out for a long time.

who are the cavs?

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: KLin
They just reported on ESPN that Ben Wallace wanted to contact Ron Artest through an intermediary and apologize to him personally.

Apologize for a not so hard foul ?
What a Piece of Sh!t he started the whole thing.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

f'in BIG BEN would THRASH Ron Artest.

The manchild would chew that punk up in a heatbeat. I wish it would've been just Ben vs Ron right there.

Hopefully Ben doesn't get suspended for too long. That might really hurt repeat chances.

there will be no repeat. The pistons are sucking.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: kb315

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: kb315

Originally posted by: jjsole
Ben Wallace is responsible for everything escalating. He wouldn't let it go and got all the fans riled up as a result. They guy has a couple screws loose.

Ben Wallace has a couple screws loose???????

Do you even know who Ron Artest is???????

Ben Wallace just had his brother die a week ago, so yeah he might be a little charge up and Ron Artest meant more with that foul. If you watch basketball and teh NBA, you;ll know who Ron Artest was and what that foul meant.

It wasn't hard but the principle of it, Ron Artest was making that foul to unnecessarily.

LOOK AT THE REPLAYS - RON Fouls ben across the arm with his left arm. Then he unnecessarily bring his right hand to push Ben Wallace to the neck. THAT IS WHY BEN WAS PISSED. Its one thing to foul him, Pushing someone in the air especially in a already decided game is uncalled for.


Most players will react if they felt they were purposely pushed in the air, no matter how hard it was. If you do look at the replays Ben Wallace's upper torso moves a great deal. If you know Ron Artest the push was intentional.

Bottom Line: If you push someone in the air in a time where its not necessary, no matter how hard, the player will overreact, pushing people in the air is how people get hurt. That foul was unnecessarily over the top.

Getting and giving hard fouls is part of the game - you make statements to rivals that way that you're not afraid and won't back down. And Artest put his team first by not responding to wallace. But when someone independent of the game cheapshots you in the face like that, which is far worse than what wallace received, you defend yourself.

You think Ron Artest was the first player in the history of Professional Sports to get some beer thrown at him. He still has a right to defend himself, yet he can't go into the crowd attacking who he feels attacked him.

You make it act like Ron was justified because hes a "man", and as a "man", he has to kick the guys ass who did that. They guy deserves to get his ass kicked but Ron Artest can easily point it out to the refs, and have the fan arrested and charged. Its about being civil, in a bar if this happened a bar fight would ensue, but in the NBA, Artest should just brush it off because the beer wasn't putting him into danger, it was one beer, its not like the guy is going to go buy another beer and throw it again. The beer was thrown and thats all the fan did, I would call it excessive force not self defense unless the guy threw a knife or something like that. Artest should have been the bigger man and just walked away like he could from Wallace.

Just because someone is independant of the game doesn't mean Artest should be allowed to attack.

With your logic, any player who has something thrown at them can run into the stands punching people because they are independ of the game. You know how many riots and all out brawls will occur?

Regardless of what happened, the NBA must set a president, under no circumstance must a player enter the crowd.

Even if Ron Artest was justified, he still should be punished because if he isn't, the league is telling other players its alright to go into the stand if the player feels like they are being threatened. No, the player should just walk away. If it is a clear threat like a gun or knife, the player should run away and not confront the man because thats only going to cause more trouble.

Think about it this way if instead of a beer the guy had a gun, Artest would have ran away. That means in a situation where Artest's security is more threatened with a gun than a beer, he would have ran as would anyone. So now since the guy doesn't have a gun an has a beer, Artest can jsut come in and started laying people out. (I don't know if the last paragraph made sense.)

Also, you say the foul was to show your rival that you won't back down, well Ben Wallace is going to do the same. Hes going to say, I'm not backing down either Artest and thats why the push ensued. This does happen and sets a good tension for the next game, the time of the foul was way off. Artest didn't have to prove anything to the Pistons at that point. They had the game wrapped up, it already showed the Pistons that they are not going to back down. If it had been done eariler, I doubt Ben Wallace would react the same way, or atleast with as much force because Ben knew the game was over and he knew the foul was just to add more salt to the wound, which is why he was madder then he would be if it had been done eariler.

(This whole post might not make sense).

I like what one of the analysts said last night...it wasn't justified, but very understandable. If they are going to leave the players exposed like this, with the fans directly behind them and no barrier of any sort, then the nba is at fault because sports at this level is very emotionally charged and its ridiculous to expect athletes to not respond. Other players went into the stands to get artest and got abused, and they shouldn't be disciplined.

And while artest took a little cheap shot at wallace, he had a right to be pissed and react, which he did by shoving Artest in the face. He should have left it at that tho and skipped the 'I'm no punk sissy' dance that he followed it up with, and then nothing would have happened.

Artest and Thugs Inc will be prosecuted in a criminal court of law, just as Francisco of the Texas Rangers will be after throwing the chair into the stands. A lot of fans are going to get rich, especially the guy who Artest swung at first. It doesn't matter who did what first, NBA players have no place in the stands, and I disagree, the athletes should not respond and let security handle it. Artest is a brainless thug who will have a criminal record after this. Wow, just wow. NBA = New Brawlers Association.

If I was the NBA players I would be sueing the pants off the league management.

Yup. I don't know if they are allowed to do it based on the players agreement, but there was some serious negligence on their part, namely adequate security for the players.

Convenient excuse to cover up for the rapid, unpredictable Pit Bull named Artest and his actions. Just like when Texas was blaming Oakland's security when Francisco threw the chair into the stands! My question, again, is what will happen when, not IF, Artest gets hit with a beer again. Would you feel safe in your cozy courtside seats, or do you think a SWAT team should be at every game to enforce these 10 year olds?

"Pit Bull"? The guy lying on the scorers table while everyone else if pushing each other? hehe. Demonizing an aggressive player who was the defensive player of the year last year, is ridiculous imo. Any player in the league, atleast most, would have done the same thing he did.

 

[Miramonti]

The second stupidest thing the bulls ever did was trade Ron Artest.

Right behind trading Elton Brand.

 

[BRObedoza]

Originally posted by: jjsole
The second stupidest thing the bulls ever did was trade Ron Artest.

Right behind trading Elton Brand.

I thought number one was busting up the Jordan/Pippen/Phil Jackson dynasty.

 

[Squisher]

We should get the OP to start a poll over what they think the suspensions and fines for the players involved should be.

My feelings:

Teams - fines
All the players that left the bench-fines
Rasheed Wallace-two games for going in the stands (even if it was as a peacemaker)
Ben Wallace - 3 games original altercation and going in the stands (peacemaker again)
Jermain O'Neal - 10 games
Ron Artest- 30 games
Jackson-40 games

 

[Lash444]

Those who are saying Detroit fans are white trash...you do realize that Auburn Hills is located within Oakland County. Which I believe is the richest county in Michigan, and one of the richest counties in the USA last I heard.
I dont blame Artest for going into the stands. However, it was a stupid mistake on his part. The foul/ Wallace attack wasnt what turned this thing upside down. It was Jackson/Artest going into the stands that instigated the riot. The beer in the face, as upset as he may have been...does not justify physical violence. Assaulted, yes, but his life/health was not threatened. Thats what we have a court system for.
I am ashamed of our fans. The guy who threw the chair should be prosecuted. Beer pourers, if caught, banned from returning. However, I think most of you are way too subjective. We have too many Pistons haters (which is fine, everyone hates a winner), but the fact is your not being rational.
If you think that Artest's reaction to the beer pouring is justified, then why was it not justified for the fans to retaliate? How would you feel if you saw the away team run into the stands? Everyone in that stadium had to feel like they were being personally attacked. I know my blood would have been boiling as a fan, but ultimately its about being rational.
Piston's fans love their team. Plain and simple. Regardless of whether or not its in Detroit, Auburn Hills, California, Brazil....you have a crowd that fired up and you pull a stunt like that and people are going to react. You cant put the blame on Detroit or Auburn Hills for that. Anytime you put crazed fans in an area with limited security and fights oging into the stands you better be prepared for a riot. Yes it was dumb for the fans to behave like that, but the whole event was a damn circus.
Everything that happened that night was a knee jerk reaction to something else. There were tons of people involved, but ultimately who and what was the spark that started the fire? Artest? Wallace? Maybe it was that one fan who threw the beer? However, you cant just say "DETROIT IS FULL OF WHITE TRASH"...thats just ignorant...
In any event, poor decisions by all. HOwever it was the heat of the moment and irrational things do happen. So what is all of your excuses?

 

[NYHoustonman]

I despise the general opinion that when you become a professional athlete you forfeit your right to defend yourself. I can't stand the fact that, based on an ESPN poll, most people fault Ron Artest for this... The last thing he needed right now is an incident like this. He was just involved in a fight and managed to hold in his emotions, and because he was already wound up, a cup in the face wasn't the best thing a fan could do. I would have done the same exact thing.

The more I watch the live coverage video, the more I get pissed off. This is the last thing Ron Artest needed. He tried to restrain himself, albeit in a seemingly inflamatory way, and IMO if this was anybody else more people would be sympathizing with him. I'm tired of people saying Artest was at fault here; maybe he was by NBA rules, but by human rules he was NOT.

I would've liked to have seen more ass kicking, particularly on those who were throwing sh!t at the players on the way out, and I want fines and jail time for the motherfvckers as well. This kind of incident just pisses me off.

@Lash444, I belive we can call them trash in general, maybe not just white trash (I saw several blacks and hispanics in the mix). Trash nonetheless.

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: Lash444
Those who are saying Detroit fans are white trash...you do realize that Auburn Hills is located within Oakland County. Which I believe is the richest county in Michigan, and one of the richest counties in the USA last I heard.
I dont blame Artest for going into the stands. However, it was a stupid mistake on his part. The foul/ Wallace attack wasnt what turned this thing upside down. It was Jackson/Artest going into the stands that instigated the riot. The beer in the face, as upset as he may have been...does not justify physical violence. Assaulted, yes, but his life/health was not threatened. Thats what we have a court system for.
I am ashamed of our fans. The guy who threw the chair should be prosecuted. Beer pourers, if caught, banned from returning. However, I think most of you are way too subjective. We have too many Pistons haters (which is fine, everyone hates a winner), but the fact is your not being rational.
If you think that Artest's reaction to the beer pouring is justified, then why was it not justified for the fans to retaliate? How would you feel if you saw the away team run into the stands? Everyone in that stadium had to feel like they were being personally attacked. I know my blood would have been boiling as a fan, but ultimately its about being rational.
Piston's fans love their team. Plain and simple. Regardless of whether or not its in Detroit, Auburn Hills, California, Brazil....you have a crowd that fired up and you pull a stunt like that and people are going to react. You cant put the blame on Detroit or Auburn Hills for that. Anytime you put crazed fans in an area with limited security and fights oging into the stands you better be prepared for a riot. Yes it was dumb for the fans to behave like that, but the whole event was a damn circus.
Everything that happened that night was a knee jerk reaction to something else. There were tons of people involved, but ultimately who and what was the spark that started the fire? Artest? Wallace? Maybe it was that one fan who threw the beer? However, you cant just say "DETROIT IS FULL OF WHITE TRASH"...thats just ignorant...
In any event, poor decisions by all. HOwever it was the heat of the moment and irrational things do happen. So what is all of your excuses?

k so a bunch of prissy stuck up rich people think they are above everyone else and can throw beer at whoever they want because they paid for their seats?

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: Lash444
Those who are saying Detroit fans are white trash...you do realize that Auburn Hills is located within Oakland County. Which I believe is the richest county in Michigan, and one of the richest counties in the USA last I heard.
I dont blame Artest for going into the stands. However, it was a stupid mistake on his part. The foul/ Wallace attack wasnt what turned this thing upside down. It was Jackson/Artest going into the stands that instigated the riot. The beer in the face, as upset as he may have been...does not justify physical violence. Assaulted, yes, but his life/health was not threatened. Thats what we have a court system for.
I am ashamed of our fans. The guy who threw the chair should be prosecuted. Beer pourers, if caught, banned from returning. However, I think most of you are way too subjective. We have too many Pistons haters (which is fine, everyone hates a winner), but the fact is your not being rational.
If you think that Artest's reaction to the beer pouring is justified, then why was it not justified for the fans to retaliate? How would you feel if you saw the away team run into the stands? Everyone in that stadium had to feel like they were being personally attacked. I know my blood would have been boiling as a fan, but ultimately its about being rational.
Piston's fans love their team. Plain and simple. Regardless of whether or not its in Detroit, Auburn Hills, California, Brazil....you have a crowd that fired up and you pull a stunt like that and people are going to react. You cant put the blame on Detroit or Auburn Hills for that. Anytime you put crazed fans in an area with limited security and fights oging into the stands you better be prepared for a riot. Yes it was dumb for the fans to behave like that, but the whole event was a damn circus.
Everything that happened that night was a knee jerk reaction to something else. There were tons of people involved, but ultimately who and what was the spark that started the fire? Artest? Wallace? Maybe it was that one fan who threw the beer? However, you cant just say "DETROIT IS FULL OF WHITE TRASH"...thats just ignorant...
In any event, poor decisions by all. HOwever it was the heat of the moment and irrational things do happen. So what is all of your excuses?

So they're rich white trash. Money doesn't change a thing. Look at Anna Nicole Smith.

You can't buy your way out of idiocy.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: KLin
They just reported on ESPN that Ben Wallace wanted to contact Ron Artest through an intermediary and apologize to him personally.

Apologize for a not so hard foul ?
What a Piece of Sh!t he started the whole thing.

Yeah, I see Big Ben throwing people around all the time just for kicks. Btw, did you even watch the foul? Because it certainly doesnt look he even attempted to go after the ball. Can you honestly say that you think Artest was trying to block the shot there? Go jump off a bridge.

 

[Lash444]

You guys complain as much as you want... Hate Detroit as muhc as you want. Fact is, this isnt a black,white, or hispanic thing. ITs not about intelligence or lack thereof. Emotions got the best of everyone here, and everything got out of hand. Artest did quite a few bonehead stunts...and hopefully he pays the price of it all.
1. That "attempted" blocked shot on Ben
2. Laying down on the table, antagonizing
3.Going into the stands to attack fans.

Weve got a winner here folks... Artest is scum.

 

[Squisher]

The fans that threw beer are trash (of varying colors).

The fans that were honestly trying to pull Artest and Jackson off of fans, were not trash.

Those idiots that went on the court were trash

Artest and Jackson are trash.

Trash is not income specific.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Lash444
You guys complain as much as you want... Hate Detroit as muhc as you want. Fact is, this isnt a black,white, or hispanic thing. ITs not about intelligence or lack thereof. Emotions got the best of everyone here, and everything got out of hand. Artest did quite a few bonehead stunts...and hopefully he pays the price of it all.
1. That "attempted" blocked shot on Ben
2. Laying down on the table, antagonizing
3.Going into the stands to attack fans.

Weve got a winner here folks... Artest is scum.

Detroit Fans and Wallace are much more scummy than Artest.

 

[Cheval]

When is the 100MB video going to be posted??

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444
You guys complain as much as you want... Hate Detroit as muhc as you want. Fact is, this isnt a black,white, or hispanic thing. ITs not about intelligence or lack thereof. Emotions got the best of everyone here, and everything got out of hand. Artest did quite a few bonehead stunts...and hopefully he pays the price of it all.
1. That "attempted" blocked shot on Ben
2. Laying down on the table, antagonizing
3.Going into the stands to attack fans.

Weve got a winner here folks... Artest is scum.

Detroit Fans and Wallace are much more scummy than Artest.

Thats funny, I bet when it comes to showing class on and off the court you cant put many teams above the pistons or Ben. Do any of you guys even watch any basketball? And what else in Detroit Piston fan history are you basing any of this on??? Let me guess...nothign. Im going to bed now...why dont you get a damn clue before you post again. Mor@n

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444
You guys complain as much as you want... Hate Detroit as muhc as you want. Fact is, this isnt a black,white, or hispanic thing. ITs not about intelligence or lack thereof. Emotions got the best of everyone here, and everything got out of hand. Artest did quite a few bonehead stunts...and hopefully he pays the price of it all.
1. That "attempted" blocked shot on Ben
2. Laying down on the table, antagonizing
3.Going into the stands to attack fans.

Weve got a winner here folks... Artest is scum.

Detroit Fans and Wallace are much more scummy than Artest.

Thats funny, I bet when it comes to showing class on and off the court you cant put many teams above the pistons or Ben. Do any of you guys even watch any basketball? And what else in Detroit Piston fan history are you basing any of this on??? Let me guess...nothign. Im going to bed now...why dont you get a damn clue before you post again. Mor@n

From this incident alone, Detroit fans have set a new standard in retardation. It may be one incident, but it was the single worst incident in NBA history, from what I've heard.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: isekii
Detroit Fans and Wallace are much more scummy than Artest.

I'm not going to try and defend the fans that threw beer.

What did Wallace do besides overreact?

If it had ended at that he would have gotten a one game suspension.

Artest is a selfish piece of scum.