Pistons Vs. Pacers

[kb315]

Originally posted by: earthman
Is there video available of this online somewhere?

Yes, everywhere.

There is another thread for just media of this.

 

[Playmaker]

Those who are saying Detroit fans are white trash...you do realize that Auburn Hills is located within Oakland County. Which I believe is the richest county in Michigan, and one of the richest counties in the USA last I heard.

Doesn't matter to me. I've met plenty of wealthy white trash. And you're kidding yourself if you don't think quite a few of those fans were from Detroit. And you're a complete idiot if you don't think a Detroit team's arena is the only likely place where that incident could have taken place.

And to those of you who think Artest backed down from Wallace out of fear, you're kidding yourself. I will agree Wallace would probably outman him, but Artest would definitely put up a fight. However, at that point Stephen Jackson would have became involved and Wallace would have truly gotten rocked. Keep in mind I would have said that BEFORE this incident about Jackson, he's an animal. Just look at the clip when he is back on the court being confronted by 3 Pistons (including Billups I believe), once Jackson leaned towards them you saw some real FEAR from ALL 3.

 

[KLin]

John Green is the guy that threw the first cup. He's a season ticket holder and apparently he's been banned. :thumbsup:

EDIT: lol ESPN just reported this guy has several felony convictions on this record, and drinking alcohol is a violation of his probation. What a loser.

 

[Playmaker]

That's great news. Hopefully he'll have a cellmate named Big Earl, who makes Ben Wallace look like a girl scout, that makes him his bitch. That should be adequate punishment.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: KLin
John Green is the guy that threw the first cup. He's a season ticket holder and apparently he's been banned. :thumbsup:

EDIT: lol ESPN just reported this guy has several felony convictions on this record, and drinking alcohol is a violation of his probation. What a loser.

I heard 3 DUI *convictions*. :frown:

But is it certain he was drinking alcohol? The cup he threw had a lid, which would be a coke.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: Jombo
i was at the game, and for such a boring game, the ending sure was exciting. few stupid fans got out of hand, and cooler head would've prevailed, but when you throw in artest to the equation, you know that's not gonna happen. yes i am a stones fan but don't let that discredit me.

granted, if i got hit w/ a beer, i'd be pissed too. but would i go in a mad rush, choke hold someone demaning to know if he threw the beer? (and according ot the interview of the local radio station, that's exactly what artest did.) then there's the other idiot that was by that guy, the one that blasted artest w/ another cup of beer, prompting s. jackson to fly in to deck the guy. btw, i think the original offender was the guy that was pulling artest off, only to sucker punch him from behind. yes fan was at fault for throwing the beer, but artest also could've just shrugged it off and just walked into the locker room. instead he made the choice to go after someone in the general direction. so everyone involved is at fault.

here's my thought: a player has no right going into the stands. and the fans reacted the way they did because they saw one or few of the other fans being attacked. and they saw, one, then two, then more people throwing whatever they had at the opposing players. it's a mob mentality it'd happen anywhere given the situation. and add artest to the mix, and you know it's only gonna get worse.

as for the two "poor" idiots on the floor that got decked, esp by j o'neal's sliding right hook, had no business being there in the first place. altho they'd prolly sue and get some compensation for their stupidity. (good ole usa..) everyone involved lost their cool and just went off. about the only person that didnt' do anything was tayshawn prince, who was the ONLY player to remain on the bench during hte brawl.

i can't wait for the x-mas game, and i can't wait to goto the march home game vs indy. not to mention the playoffs. yes it gave another black eye for the city of detroit, yes we are the STD capital of NA. blah blah.. just add tonight to the growing list. and as bad as tonight's incident was, i was glad i was there to witness the mayhem first hand, crazy.. and at least we didn't throw batteries like some other disgruntled fans.

You say a player has NO right to go in the stands? What if say a chair was thrown on the court for argument's sake? Let's get one thing straight...just because he's an athlete doesn't mean he forfeit's his right to be a man. In this instance I think it's definitely overreaction...from my perspective as far as what Ron Artest did but that's just me speaking from this seat. That said...there are definitely instances where I don't give a flying FVCK if I was a paid athlete, all bet's are off and head's are rolling (like in the flying chair example).

They have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER. Even if a chair is thrown. Not only does it violate NBA policy, he has no right to "go after someone". It is no longer self defense when you do that. He would be criminally prosecuted for assault. (like he is going to be).

Here is a better example. Someone breaks into my house and assaults me. If I can get to my gun and kill him during the assault, I am in the clear (self defense). If he assaults me, then starts to run out of the house, and I grab my gun and shoot him, I get charged with manslaughter. Do you see the difference?

If the fan came on the floor and assaulted Artest, MAYBE he would be in the clear if he defended himself (he would be legally for sure, but NBA policy probably says he is to remove himself from the situation as they are responsible for the 20k + fans and no good can come from a player assaulting a fan - even in self defense)

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: Jombo
i was at the game, and for such a boring game, the ending sure was exciting. few stupid fans got out of hand, and cooler head would've prevailed, but when you throw in artest to the equation, you know that's not gonna happen. yes i am a stones fan but don't let that discredit me.

granted, if i got hit w/ a beer, i'd be pissed too. but would i go in a mad rush, choke hold someone demaning to know if he threw the beer? (and according ot the interview of the local radio station, that's exactly what artest did.) then there's the other idiot that was by that guy, the one that blasted artest w/ another cup of beer, prompting s. jackson to fly in to deck the guy. btw, i think the original offender was the guy that was pulling artest off, only to sucker punch him from behind. yes fan was at fault for throwing the beer, but artest also could've just shrugged it off and just walked into the locker room. instead he made the choice to go after someone in the general direction. so everyone involved is at fault.

here's my thought: a player has no right going into the stands. and the fans reacted the way they did because they saw one or few of the other fans being attacked. and they saw, one, then two, then more people throwing whatever they had at the opposing players. it's a mob mentality it'd happen anywhere given the situation. and add artest to the mix, and you know it's only gonna get worse.

as for the two "poor" idiots on the floor that got decked, esp by j o'neal's sliding right hook, had no business being there in the first place. altho they'd prolly sue and get some compensation for their stupidity. (good ole usa..) everyone involved lost their cool and just went off. about the only person that didnt' do anything was tayshawn prince, who was the ONLY player to remain on the bench during hte brawl.

i can't wait for the x-mas game, and i can't wait to goto the march home game vs indy. not to mention the playoffs. yes it gave another black eye for the city of detroit, yes we are the STD capital of NA. blah blah.. just add tonight to the growing list. and as bad as tonight's incident was, i was glad i was there to witness the mayhem first hand, crazy.. and at least we didn't throw batteries like some other disgruntled fans.

You say a player has NO right to go in the stands? What if say a chair was thrown on the court for argument's sake? Let's get one thing straight...just because he's an athlete doesn't mean he forfeit's his right to be a man. In this instance I think it's definitely overreaction...from my perspective as far as what Ron Artest did but that's just me speaking from this seat. That said...there are definitely instances where I don't give a flying FVCK if I was a paid athlete, all bet's are off and head's are rolling (like in the flying chair example).

They have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER. Even if a chair is thrown. Not only does it violate NBA policy, he has no right to "go after someone". It is no longer self defense when you do that. He would be criminally prosecuted for assault. (like he is going to be).

Here is a better example. Someone breaks into my house and assaults me. If I can get to my gun and kill him during the assault, I am in the clear (self defense). If he assaults me, then starts to run out of the house, and I grab my gun and shoot him, I get charged with manslaughter. Do you see the difference?

If the fan came on the floor and assaulted Artest, MAYBE he would be in the clear if he defended himself (he would be legally for sure, but NBA policy probably says he is to remove himself from the situation as they are responsible for the 20k + fans and no good can come from a player assaulting a fan - even in self defense)

Well put. A player has no right to go into the stands unless he/she (the fan/s) has a machine gun and he/she is mowing people down left and right. I could see an exception being for that

 

[Icepick]

Those players would have ben justified in kicking some serious fan boy tail if the fans were on the court assaulting them. Because the player would have been subjected to a clear and present danger. In this case they weren't. A drunken fan throwing a cold beverage at a player (while funny as he**) does not put that player in clear and present danger. If the player felt there was a significant chance that the fan would cause him bodily injury, which probably wouldn't have happened since the fan was clearly out sized and out-muscled by the player, then the player can kick his a$$.

In this case the players were not in any danger because they had a clear avenue of escape back to the locker rooms (which are guarded very well by security) and they out-muscled the fans anyway.

That is the decision the courts will arrive at when criminal charges are brought against the players. And the courts will be correct.

 

[TalonOP]

I say they are being too lenient, not on artest, but on the fan who started the riot. Has anyone noticed that fans are always let off easy?

 

[Squisher]

Was listening to an interview with a spokesman from Slam magizine today and one thing he said had to make me laugh.

He said, "Well, there's one thing I can tell you about the fans from Detroit......Y'all can take a punch. Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal are out there landing haymakers on you guys and y'all just kept getting back up without a scratch on ya."

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: PoPPeR

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: KnickNut3
HOW CAN THIS NOT BE ARTEST'S FAULT? He ran up into the stands to knock out a spectator! How stupid can you be? I don't care what he did--throwing a drink on you doesn't hurt you at all. If you're that hotheaded that you'd rather be suspended for probably a month or more, have charges pressed on you, probably have to give the fans an expensive settlement, and disgrace your team and the league than just let a drink from an obnoxious fan go, then you're a fvcking idiot.

Same goes for Jackson and O'Neal. The Pacers are gutted for the next month.

so you are ok with people throwing stuff at you?

If these MILLIONAIRES do not have enough brainpower to realize that they can go to prison for assaulting someone with their fists then please get them away from the fans.

the thing is, they don't. Whens the last time a sports player went to jail for a game-related incident.

Whoever hit the 80 YEAR OLD MAN needs to DO TIME!

Are you talking about this guy?