Pistons Vs. Pacers

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: sleepmachine

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: z0mb13
ESPN is replaying the whole game

are you serious ?
rofl
I gotta watch it again~!

haha it's the first quarter right now. looooong way till the good stuff.

Hope its unedited!

hehheheh due to time constraints, we will cut into the good stuff

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: venk

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: axion
haha damn straight! o'neals punch was still the best

that would make a better owned pic!!

The quality of the pic is alittle crappy. I need a better video feed.

PWNED

lol sliding punch!!

almost like a HADOUUKENN!!

HADOKEN!

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: venk

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: venk

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: axion
haha damn straight! o'neals punch was still the best

that would make a better owned pic!!

The quality of the pic is alittle crappy. I need a better video feed.

PWNED

lol sliding punch!!

almost like a HADOUUKENN!!

HADOKEN!

ROFL we need a clearer pic

 

[kb315]

Everyone is to blame.
But I believe Ron Artest and the Fans should share the most blame.

Ron Artest is the one who started the RIOT. Ben had his brother die a week ago and given Ron's personality I'm sure he made a comment about it and with the foul, it send Ben over the edge. Ben pushed Artest but everything was dying down and these scuffles between players happen every now and again, its nothing the league hasn't seen before.

The reason I blame Artest for starting the Riot is because of running into the stands.

The NBA has strict rules on running into the stands, why? because the fans are so close, nothing good can come from it

It's not like Ron Artest is the first player in the history of professional sports to have something thrown at him. It has happened numerous time and each time it can be resolved with the athlete pointing out the fan and having the cops handle it.

Looking at the replays, it looked like a plastic cup that they sell at the palace. He wasn't in too much real harm. Of course he was pissed.

When he ran into the crowd, he really didnt know who threw it. From the replays with the guy with the cap sucker punching artest from behind, it looked like he was the guy who threw the beer. Infact the skinny white guy was just laughing and HE HAD HIS OWN DRINK IN HIS HAND!! He seemed surprised because he didnt think Artest would come after him because he didn't throw it.

This is exactly why Artest shouldnt' run in the stands
1.) He wasn't to sure who threw it
2.) Running into the stands brought Stephen Jackson and Jermain O' Neal into the stands too creating an all out RIOT.

If Artest would have just pointed the fan out to the ref and the fan would have been arested and the game would just have another small altercation that you hear about every two weeks or so.

 

[BRObedoza]

Man, only thing missing was Mrs. Doug Christie swinging her purse

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: kb315
Everyone is to blame.
But I believe Ron Artest and the Fans should share the most blame.

Ron Artest is the one who started the RIOT. Ben had his brother die a week ago and given Ron's personality I'm sure he made a comment about it and with the foul, it send Ben over the edge. Ben pushed Artest but everything was dying down and these scuffles between players happen every now and again, its nothing the league hasn't seen before.

The reason I blame Artest for starting the Riot is because of running into the stands.

The NBA has strict rules on running into the stands, why? because the fans are so close, nothing good can come from it

It's not like Ron Artest is the first player in the history of professional sports to have something thrown at him. It has happened numerous time and each time it can be resolved with the athlete pointing out the fan and having the cops handle it.

Looking at the replays, it looked like a plastic cup that they sell at the palace. He wasn't in too much real harm. Of course he was pissed.

When he ran into the crowd, he really didnt know who threw it. From the replays with the guy with the cap sucker punching artest from behind, it looked like he was the guy who threw the beer. Infact the skinny white guy was just laughing and HE HAD HIS OWN DRINK IN HIS HAND!! He seemed surprised because he didnt think Artest would come after him because he didn't throw it.

This is exactly why Artest shouldnt' run in the stands
1.) He wasn't to sure who threw it
2.) Running into the stands brought Stephen Jackson and Jermain O' Neal into the stands too creating an all out RIOT.

If Artest would have just pointed the fan out to the ref and the fan would have been arested and the game would just have another small altercation that you hear about every two weeks or so.

Right. Stop Assuming.
The Vid Recap showed pretty much everything.
Ben Wallace over reacting to a not so hard foul.
Artest trying to keep a cool head.
Drunk Fan throwing a drink.
Artest defending himself.

 

[snowdogg187]

I love these fvcktards on espn saying that the players can do whatever they want to "protect" themselves. Then they go after fans in the stands.

This is seriously pathetic and I hope that the straight pimpin' ghetto thugz will represent some hefty suspensions, fines, legal issues and settlements. This includes the musical genious Artest, Jackson and O'neal.

I must just say wow.

 

[spliffstar69]

Mann eveytime i see that punch by oneal i keep thinking about the part in Friday

YOU GOT Knock THE FCKTHEOUT

 

[BRObedoza]

Don't forget, that during the initial Ben Wallace/Ron Artest altercation, players from both sides left their respective benches to try to join in/break up the fight. By rule, those players will be suspended as well.

 

[bigj3347]

I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of the roundhouse fully cocked flying punch from Jermaine. How does he not get knocked out? It looked like Jermaine charged him and flung his fist right in the head. Ouch. Ben Wallace's elbow in to the Artest's chin looked painful. I don't like Artest, but that fan who charged the court and taunted Artest got what he deserved. I wouldn't do something that stupid, not even if i was piss drunk. Artest is beast, I wouldn't want to mess with him.

 

[virtuamike]

Owned!!!

 

[bigj3347]

If everyone who left the bench is gonna be suspended, the pacers and pistions might as well forfeit the games they're suspended for because they're not gonna have any players that aren't suspended. Can you sign 12 NBDL players to 10 day contracts and throw them out there>?? The East is weak enough as it is. . . Go to NBA.com all star balloting, look at the wide talent gap between the east and the west. Especially the at the forward position. Just off the top of my head, western conference fowards. Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, Odom, Elton Brand, Chris Webber, Peja, Maggette, Carmelo Anthony, Carlos Boozer, Kevin Garnett, Zach Randolph, Shareef Abdur Rahim. Every single one of these guys deserve to be at least an all start reserve. Most of them would probably start if they were playing for the Eastern conference all star team. Case in point, Antoine Walker, all star starter during his years in boston. Traded to Dallas and not even on the all star reserves. Even with Shaq in the East, West is LOADED with talent.

 

[ky2pip]

Crazy!!!....Thanks to all those who found/hosted the vids....where were the security and police officers in all of this?....didn't see 1 cop....where's axel foley?

 

[BRObedoza]

Originally posted by: bigj3347
If everyone who left the bench is gonna be suspended, the pacers and pistions might as well forfeit the games they're suspended for because they're not gonna have any players that aren't suspended. Can you sign 12 NBDL players to 10 day contracts and throw them out there>?? The East is weak enough as it is. . . Go to NBA.com all star balloting, look at the wide talent gap between the east and the west. Especially the at the forward position. Just off the top of my head, western conference fowards. Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, Odom, Elton Brand, Chris Webber, Peja, Maggette, Carmelo Anthony, Carlos Boozer, Kevin Garnett, Zach Randolph, Shareef Abdur Rahim. Every single one of these guys deserve to be at least an all start reserve. Most of them would probably start if they were playing for the Eastern conference all star team. Case in point, Antoine Walker, all star starter during his years in boston. Traded to Dallas and not even on the all star reserves. Even with Shaq in the East, West is LOADED with talent.

They may do the suspensions consecutively, ie one player serves two, then the next, and so on. THat's just for the minor offenders who left the bench.

But for the main guys (Wallace, Artest, Jackson, O'neal), there's no telling what'll happen.

 

[venk]

Darko didn't leave the Bench from what I saw. This could be his one chance to get some PT.

 

[rh71]

a few things I noticed...

the kid in the black shirt and glasses who Artest went after right away... he had another cup in his hands... he likely didn't throw the blue one.

the guy in the wallace shirt (the tan cap) next to the kid was probably daddy. He tried to restrain Artest after he went after the kid... and that's why he was fueled enough to hit him from behind afterward. He'd be justified in going after Artest if indeed he got the wrong guy (the kid) in the first place...

About the fat dude who got nailed by O'Neill... he went after Artest after his buddy took the first punch from Artest... so O'Neill didn't "get the wrong guy".

I think anyone and everyone involved with throwing punches needs disciplinary action. And the foul on Wallace wasn't that hard... he was probably on edge like a few of you have said. As for the fans who poured/threw stuff on the players... idiots.

 

[kb315]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: kb315
Everyone is to blame.
But I believe Ron Artest and the Fans should share the most blame.

Ron Artest is the one who started the RIOT. Ben had his brother die a week ago and given Ron's personality I'm sure he made a comment about it and with the foul, it send Ben over the edge. Ben pushed Artest but everything was dying down and these scuffles between players happen every now and again, its nothing the league hasn't seen before.

The reason I blame Artest for starting the Riot is because of running into the stands.

The NBA has strict rules on running into the stands, why? because the fans are so close, nothing good can come from it

It's not like Ron Artest is the first player in the history of professional sports to have something thrown at him. It has happened numerous time and each time it can be resolved with the athlete pointing out the fan and having the cops handle it.

Looking at the replays, it looked like a plastic cup that they sell at the palace. He wasn't in too much real harm. Of course he was pissed.

When he ran into the crowd, he really didnt know who threw it. From the replays with the guy with the cap sucker punching artest from behind, it looked like he was the guy who threw the beer. Infact the skinny white guy was just laughing and HE HAD HIS OWN DRINK IN HIS HAND!! He seemed surprised because he didnt think Artest would come after him because he didn't throw it.

This is exactly why Artest shouldnt' run in the stands
1.) He wasn't to sure who threw it
2.) Running into the stands brought Stephen Jackson and Jermain O' Neal into the stands too creating an all out RIOT.

If Artest would have just pointed the fan out to the ref and the fan would have been arested and the game would just have another small altercation that you hear about every two weeks or so.

Right. Stop Assuming.
The Vid Recap showed pretty much everything.
Ben Wallace over reacting to a not so hard foul.
Artest trying to keep a cool head.
Drunk Fan throwing a drink.
Artest defending himself.

First of all, Its been confirmed by The detroit news and Jim grey of ESPN that the guy Artest beat up wasn't the guy that threw the beer. I mean look at that guy, I would have been hauling ass if i threw a beer at Artest and he jumped the scorers table. That guy was just standing there.

Its not self defense when you run into a crowd and start wailing on some guy in the general vicintiy of the threat to Artest's security

I would not call a plasic cup of beer a threat to the safety of a 6'9ish very built professional athelete.
It does not give him the right to go around hitting who he thinks did it.

Bottom Line: Self Defense is not a justifiable defense if he attacks the wrong guy.

Edit: Look at how that escalated the situation. I'm sure all the people around the guy knew he didn't throw the beer. So they would naturally try to help the poor kid. Which would bring more people there and of course then it will become a riot as indy players also join. Thus starting the riot.

 

[kb315]

Heres a situation:

You're walking in a busy street and you get hit from behind with a beer.
Is it self defense to turn around and hit the guy behind you because he is where you think the beer came from?

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: isekii
Right. Stop Assuming.
The Vid Recap showed pretty much everything.
Ben Wallace over reacting to a not so hard foul.
Artest trying to keep a cool head.
Drunk Fan throwing a drink.
Artest defending himself.

The glaring problem is that Artest "defended himself" by going after a fan who didn't throw the drink. This has been rather clearly established by numerous witnesses including an ESPN TV announcer. By far the best decision would have been to stay out of the stands and let security handle it. But at an absolute minimum, don't go after someone in the stands if you don't know for sure who threw the beer at you! He ended up assaulting a fan who at had worst done some trash talking to Artest before the incident.

This is going to be an expensive lesson for Artest. He's likely looking at a lengthy suspension without pay, criminal charges, and having to pay out at least several million dollars in a lawsuit.

I'm pretty confident that's going to be the size of the verdict given the jury will be from Detroit, Artest went after the wrong guy, and its well known that Artest is worth alot of money.

Obviously the fans deserve alot of blame here, but I felt what Artest did was exceptionally stupid and was what turned the situation into a mess. I think a recognition that Artest went after an essentially innocent man had something to do with the fan reaction from that point forward.

Just for the record, I'm not a Pistons or Pacers fan, so this is from a essentially third party perspective.

 

[venk]

I still think the Fans in Chicago rushing onto the field to beat up the Royals first base coach (didn't it happen TWCE?!?!) incident is still worse than tonights circus.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: Albis
go detroit fans!

yup. start some sh!t.

Lets play hit the idiot ( artest ).

"Hey Coach. I need 2 months off to promote my rap album" -Ron Artest.

He deserves to be hit and beer dumped on him. Screw artest. He is a disgrace to the game.

 

[kb315]

Final post for now:

This all started with Artest's foul with 45 sec left to go in the 4th.

It was not a flagrant foul but was not a "clean" foul because of the contact to the neck and head region.
There was no need for this. Indy had the game locked up, Artest was just looking for a fight or something to piss of Wallace/Pistons.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: CommCR

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Fvcking punk ass mutherfvckers.

i have ZERO respect for the PISTONS, BEN WALLACE, and all their pussy ass fans.

:disgust:

Bad Boyz are baaaack

DEAL WITH IT you pussy ass

We play dirty, our fans play dirty, you gotta problem cry to your momma.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: z0mb13
ESPN is replaying the whole game

are you serious ?
rofl
I gotta watch it again~!

They always repeat one of their Thursday doubleheaders on ESPN2. It's either that or another rerun of the Poker World Series.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: kb315
Final post for now:

This all started with Artest's foul with 45 sec left to go in the 4th.

It was not a flagrant foul but was not a "clean" foul because of the contact to the neck and head region.
There was no need for this. Indy had the game locked up, Artest was just looking for a fight or something to piss of Wallace/Pistons.

Are you kidding me? How often do you watch the NBA? There'd been plenty of "harder" fouls... Ben Wallace clearly overreacted.