Pistons Vs. Pacers

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: TheMessiah13

Originally posted by: z0mb13
wow detroit fans just have no class...

How would you have acted if you seen at least three athletes beating up random people they *thought* did them wrong, or got in their way? Should they have been blowing the team kisses as they left? Artest ran into the seats like a mad man and set his eyes on some kid, whether he did it or not, who knows. I'm pretty sure Artest didn't see the guy who threw the drink.

Then another fan throws a drink in Artest's face as Artest beats the crap out of the kid he thought threw the drink. And another Pacer starts beating the crap out of the other fan. And O'Neil absolutely sucker punches a guy who was already being restrained. The guy had no way of knowing he was about to get drilled in the jaw by this pro athlete.

I'm sorry if I don't share you conclusion. I would of been throwing stuff on the Pacer team as well.

what the hell? those fans DESERVED to be punched.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i feel sorry for artest. That stupid stupid fan who threw the beer should be jailed.

Some pistons fans are pretty stupid. Ya ya artest should've kept his cool, BUT WHO WON'T DO THAT? Wallace nabs you in the face for a not-so-hard foul, and artest tries to keep his cool, and that phokking retard fan throws beer at him. SMART. Artest did what any human would have done. if he gets suspended for more ten games, then i'm not watching NBA anymore.

artest and oneal should be given MINIMUM punishment. Ben wallace should be given a higher punishment. they don't deserve more than 10 games punishment w/ minimal fines.


and yes, i agree w/ jombo somewhat. BUT i agree w/ kevinH even more. that stupid fan got what he deserved, and he got what was coming to him.

f-that! thats why they get paid the BIG BUCKS. If they can't deal with their emotions any better then they can go back to the playground.

fans pay their price to heckle! players get paid to deal with it!

 

[xSauronx]

this is the first time ive ever seeked out NBA coverage.....its a shame it was because pro players and fans were stupid fu*king idiots.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i feel sorry for artest. That stupid stupid fan who threw the beer should be jailed.

Some pistons fans are pretty stupid. Ya ya artest should've kept his cool, BUT WHO WON'T DO THAT? Wallace nabs you in the face for a not-so-hard foul, and artest tries to keep his cool, and that phokking retard fan throws beer at him. SMART. Artest did what any human would have done. if he gets suspended for more ten games, then i'm not watching NBA anymore.

artest and oneal should be given MINIMUM punishment. Ben wallace should be given a higher punishment. they don't deserve more than 10 games punishment w/ minimal fines.


and yes, i agree w/ jombo somewhat. BUT i agree w/ kevinH even more. that stupid fan got what he deserved, and he got what was coming to him.

f-that! thats why they get paid the BIG BUCKS. If they can't deal with their emotions any better then they can go back to the playground.

fans pay their price to heckle! players get paid to deal with it!

wow. wow. so money makes humans no longer human. wow.


MIKE

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Jombo
i was at the game, and for such a boring game, the ending sure was exciting. few stupid fans got out of hand, and cooler head would've prevailed, but when you throw in artest to the equation, you know that's not gonna happen. yes i am a stones fan but don't let that discredit me.

granted, if i got hit w/ a beer, i'd be pissed too. but would i go in a mad rush, choke hold someone demaning to know if he threw the beer? (and according ot the interview of the local radio station, that's exactly what artest did.) then there's the other idiot that was by that guy, the one that blasted artest w/ another cup of beer, prompting s. jackson to fly in to deck the guy. btw, i think the original offender was the guy that was pulling artest off, only to sucker punch him from behind. yes fan was at fault for throwing the beer, but artest also could've just shrugged it off and just walked into the locker room. instead he made the choice to go after someone in the general direction. so everyone involved is at fault.

here's my thought: a player has no right going into the stands. and the fans reacted the way they did because they saw one or few of the other fans being attacked. and they saw, one, then two, then more people throwing whatever they had at the opposing players. it's a mob mentality it'd happen anywhere given the situation. and add artest to the mix, and you know it's only gonna get worse.

as for the two "poor" idiots on the floor that got decked, esp by j o'neal's sliding right hook, had no business being there in the first place. altho they'd prolly sue and get some compensation for their stupidity. (good ole usa..) everyone involved lost their cool and just went off. about the only person that didnt' do anything was tayshawn prince, who was the ONLY player to remain on the bench during hte brawl.

i can't wait for the x-mas game, and i can't wait to goto the march home game vs indy. not to mention the playoffs. yes it gave another black eye for the city of detroit, yes we are the STD capital of NA. blah blah.. just add tonight to the growing list. and as bad as tonight's incident was, i was glad i was there to witness the mayhem first hand, crazy.. and at least we didn't throw batteries like some other disgruntled fans.

Fans have NO RIGHT to throw ANYTHING onto the field of play.

you can't justify the actions of either Artest or the Fans throwing stuff on the court.

who initiated it tho? who started it is important. that's where the fans are completely wrong, artest overreated and should not have gone into the stands but i still think more of the fault lies with the fans.

fans should NEVER throw anything onto the field of play.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i feel sorry for artest. That stupid stupid fan who threw the beer should be jailed.

Some pistons fans are pretty stupid. Ya ya artest should've kept his cool, BUT WHO WON'T DO THAT? Wallace nabs you in the face for a not-so-hard foul, and artest tries to keep his cool, and that phokking retard fan throws beer at him. SMART. Artest did what any human would have done. if he gets suspended for more ten games, then i'm not watching NBA anymore.

artest and oneal should be given MINIMUM punishment. Ben wallace should be given a higher punishment. they don't deserve more than 10 games punishment w/ minimal fines.


and yes, i agree w/ jombo somewhat. BUT i agree w/ kevinH even more. that stupid fan got what he deserved, and he got what was coming to him.

the real question is, of the 2 types of behavior shown today, which should be discouraged more.

should the fans be made an example and get hit with SERIOUS retribution by the NBA to completely discourage this type of behavior?

or should the players be punished for reacting as players do (witness all the major brawls in baseball).

of the two, if the NBA is making a statement, i'd rather they came down hard on the fans, otherwise the NBA games could become like soccer games in europe.

 

[WT]

Conspiracy theorists unite !!!

Davis Stern=shrewd business man !!
NFL=**seasonal flush**
Pacers + Pistons + drunk fans=FIGHT !!!!

NHL fans tune into ESPN and says, hmmm, thats looks interesting !!!
PROFIT !!

O'Neal just flat out McSorley'd that gangsta wanna be !

 

[Codewiz]

GOOD GOD PEOPLE. I can't believe some people aren't blaming the players. The PLAYERS DESERVE PLENTY of blame. It is called personal responsibility.

The fans are TOTALLY wrong and I think they should be arrested. Arrest the fans for disorderly conduct and maybe even assault.

BUT these players should have enough sense to not go after fans. The players are getting a pass and little blame for this. They should be responsible for going into the fans and throwing punches. I hope Artest gets his ass sued off.

I think each one of the players that hit a fan should be suspended for a year. I think then the detriot police need to identify the fans involved and arrest them.

But playing the blame game for the players saying their emotions were high and they can't withstrain themselves is STUPID. Each person was responsible for themselves. Same with the fans. The fans and players were responsible for themselves. The players need to be suspended for the rest of the year.

 

[OutHouse]

just another reason for me to hate pro sports.

 

[bobbybe01]

Yeah, I think the least I would've done was to throw the cup back at them...

Edit:

LOL, I check nba.com and there's NOTHING about this! bwahah Well, obviously there wouldn't be..

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
Some pistons fans are pretty stupid. Ya ya artest should've kept his cool, BUT WHO WON'T DO THAT? Wallace nabs you in the face for a not-so-hard foul, and artest tries to keep his cool, and that phokking retard fan throws beer at him. SMART. Artest did what any human would have done. if he gets suspended for more ten games, then i'm not watching NBA anymore.

Once Artest entered the crowd, seeking revenge, he became the aggressor. Artest is allowed to defend himself, but he is not allowed to become a vigilante maniac.

Artest has a long record of fines and suspensions for losing his temper. David Stern will suspend him for more than 10 days.

 

[bobbybe01]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
Some pistons fans are pretty stupid. Ya ya artest should've kept his cool, BUT WHO WON'T DO THAT? Wallace nabs you in the face for a not-so-hard foul, and artest tries to keep his cool, and that phokking retard fan throws beer at him. SMART. Artest did what any human would have done. if he gets suspended for more ten games, then i'm not watching NBA anymore.

Once Artest entered the crowd, seeking revenge, he became the aggressor. Artest is allowed to defend himself, but he is not allowed to become a vigilante maniac.

Artest has a long record of fines and suspensions for losing his temper. David Stern will suspend him for more than 10 days.

When O'Neal is suspended from basketball he should try boxing, that was a good jab!

But seriously, I think Artest needs some anger manangement or something that like.

 

[WT]

Yet another conspiracy theory !!

The two wanna be gangstas involved on the court with Artest will file suit against him ....
Suddenly, the charges and suit will be dropped....
Wanna be gangstas announce they are now putting out a CD produced by .....

you got it, Ron Artest !!!!

I could go on and on, this is fun !

 

[moshquerade]

too many posts for me to read, but my feelings are that the players FAILED all the kids who idolize them BIG TIME!!!!

 

[bobbybe01]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
too many posts for me to read, but my feelings are that the players FAILED all the kids who idolize them BIG TIME!!!!

I dunno who idolizes Artest and Jackson....

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Originally posted by: moshquerade
too many posts for me to read, but my feelings are that the players FAILED all the kids who idolize them BIG TIME!!!!

I dunno who idolizes Artest and Jackson....

are you a kid? a kid will idolize a whole team.

what sticks in my mind the most after seeing footage this morning of the brawl is a guy comforting his young daughter who is noticeably upset and crying. that is what pisses me off the most. look what they did to that kid.

 

[Cheval]

this makes up for no hockey.

 

[bobbybe01]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Originally posted by: moshquerade
too many posts for me to read, but my feelings are that the players FAILED all the kids who idolize them BIG TIME!!!!

I dunno who idolizes Artest and Jackson....

are you a kid? a kid will idolize a whole team.

what sticks in my mind the most after seeing footage this morning of the brawl is a guy comforting his young daughter who is noticeably upset and crying. that is what pisses me off the most. look what they did to that kid.

Yeah I agree that it was pretty ridiculous. As far as the whole "team" perspective, I agree. I don't know if the kids understood who the players were in particular, but seeing something violent like that would be upsetting. But there were some other things like older people that were in trouble or people throwing chairs (or God knows what) that would have endangered the kids.

 

[geecee]

Thanks ChrisCramer247 for posting the video. Wow, Artest really is nuts and I'm a St. John's fan. The only good thing about the Knicks taking Fat Freddie Weis that year in the draft was that they didn't end up with Artest. Talk about million dollar talent with a nickel and dime head. First a flagrant foul at the end of a game that they had well in hand. Then going into the stands to fight a fan? And not even the right one apparently. He deserves to be suspended. The fans involved certainly aren't in the right and the player shouldn't just allow these things to happen either, but that is why arenas employ security(though Detroit's appeared to be sadly lacking). Artest could just as easily had an entire row of fans thrown out of the arena, with ticket privileges revoked, rather than allow something like this to happen. It damages the game (not that pro b-ball hasn't done that already) and hurts the NBA's relationship with its fans. On top of that, what if fans, Artest or one of the other players was seriously injured in one of the fights? Artest has a responsibility as a player, a teammate (and a "man"), to do the right thing. He hurts himself by endangering his career, he hurts his team by subjecting himself and possibly other teammates to injury and/or suspension. This isn't even taking into account financial liability on his or the team's part. Being a "man" is about responsibility, not beating every idiot into a bloody pulp when tested.

 

[bobbybe01]

Being a "man" is about responsibility, not beating every idiot into a bloody pulp when tested.

While I agree with everything you said in your post. I think he was more of a "man" for going into uncharted waters. I don't think I would have. Now, seriously...yeah, you're dead on.

 

[iamme]

btw, for anyone curious of what sort of suspensions to expect:

Latrell Sprewell suspended 68 games for choking coach

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://wildcat.arizona.edu//papers/89/135/18_1_m.html">Van exel suspended 7 games for shoving a referee.

Vernon Maxwell suspended 10 games for attacking a fan</a>

i wouldn't be suprised to see David Stern suspend Artest upwards of 20 games.

on other nba forums, i heard some interesting penalty ideas for the piston fans. one was to ban alcohol sales for the remaining season, which i don't care about because their watered down beer is overpriced anyways

 

[hugobomber]

guys stop saying that if i were artest blah blah blah...

U WERENT IN HIS POSITION. U DIDNT GET HIT BY A BOTTLE. U ARENT ARTEST. HES HUMAN. PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS LOSE THEIR TEMPER TOO.

u cant be in the position to say that he should of could of, because u didnt get hit by the bottle.

 

[SpongeBob]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i feel sorry for artest. That stupid stupid fan who threw the beer should be jailed.

Some pistons fans are pretty stupid. Ya ya artest should've kept his cool, BUT WHO WON'T DO THAT? Wallace nabs you in the face for a not-so-hard foul, and artest tries to keep his cool, and that phokking retard fan throws beer at him. SMART. Artest did what any human would have done. if he gets suspended for more ten games, then i'm not watching NBA anymore.

artest and oneal should be given MINIMUM punishment. Ben wallace should be given a higher punishment. they don't deserve more than 10 games punishment w/ minimal fines.


and yes, i agree w/ jombo somewhat. BUT i agree w/ kevinH even more. that stupid fan got what he deserved, and he got what was coming to him.

f-that! thats why they get paid the BIG BUCKS. If they can't deal with their emotions any better then they can go back to the playground.

fans pay their price to heckle! players get paid to deal with it!

Exactly...the players should be held to a higher standard than the fans. They need to learn that playing in the NBA and making millions of dollars is a privilege, not a right. That fan who hit artest with the cup would have been dealt with by security and given a fine and a slap on the wrist and that would have been the end of it. That type of thing happens all the time in professional sports. The security staff's job is to deal with fans like that, not with players charging into the stands and causing a riot. That should NEVER happen. Artest and Jackson should be kicked out of the league. Once you enter the stands and attack fans you've crossed the line.

 

[MrChad]

In any other job, if they physically attacked a customer, they would be fired, even if they were heckled.

 

[Jombo]

everyone made lots of mistakes last night. and everyone tries to reason it out and tries to point the blame at one person or one incident, in the end everyone got out of hand, both the players and the fans. but we love pointing fingers don't we?

but make one thing clear. there is a boundary just out side of hte playing field, or court. a player can not leave the court, unless for a play, and there is absolutely no reason why a fan should be on the floor/ court unless they are streaking or something remember the superbowl last year, when that guy thought it was in a nike commercial and kept on running around nakid? until he got leveled at midfield? no reprecussions because he was where he wasn't supposed to be at. now that doesn't lessen what j o'neal and mark aguire did, (ex piston hero of the bad boy era btw) but just the fact that those fans were on the floor made that situation possible.

same goes for the players entering the stands. that escalated the situation even more, which lead to the whole melee. and for the chair being thrown. i can't believe some idiot thought of that great idea. but it happened way at the end. pretty much after most of the players were being led off the court. so don't make the chair the central point of the arguement.

on artest: it is clear that most of the nba fans know what a nut job artest is. which makes him a good target where ever he goes. it's almost like watching mike tyson, people pay to see him get derailed. and all of america witnessed what a huge train wrack last night ended up being. again IT DOES NOT LESSEN what the fans did. but if it were another player, as long as he's not named stephen jackson, situation may have ended up differently. but in those situations instincts take over and you really get to see the ugly side of humanity. unfortunate but that's how it ends up being.

how do you lessen a crime by citing, acting on an instinct as a defense? "i would've done the same" so he should get off light! is a complete BS. both fans that instigated the incident, and players involved should get criminal charges. if a fight like that broke out at a club, more than a handful would be spending hte night in the slammer. nba players are on a double bind, because they will get criminal charges and whatever punishments the league hands down. fans will get punished by having stricter security, probably less accessiblity to the players. so again everyone loses.

i know it's long, sorry, but lastly: fans of detroit throwing stuff on the field: this is not the first time, nor the last time it'll happen. anyone care to remember the great fruity a-rod incident? fans of ny, threw anything and everything they had on to the field in disguest. i mean a riot police had to be trotted out. apparently grown adults, just like kids can only throw things on hand when crying and booing doesn't suffice. examples of such goes on and on.

*edit: again: the flying chair was TOTALLY uncalled for, and that idiot should be fined, and jailed. i still can't believe that..