Pistons Vs. Pacers

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: kb315

Originally posted by: jjsole
Ben Wallace is responsible for everything escalating. He wouldn't let it go and got all the fans riled up as a result. They guy has a couple screws loose.

Ben Wallace has a couple screws loose???????

Do you even know who Ron Artest is???????

Ben Wallace just had his brother die a week ago, so yeah he might be a little charge up and Ron Artest meant more with that foul. If you watch basketball and teh NBA, you;ll know who Ron Artest was and what that foul meant.

It wasn't hard but the principle of it, Ron Artest was making that foul to unnecessarily.

LOOK AT THE REPLAYS - RON Fouls ben across the arm with his left arm. Then he unnecessarily bring his right hand to push Ben Wallace to the neck. THAT IS WHY BEN WAS PISSED. Its one thing to foul him, Pushing someone in the air especially in a already decided game is uncalled for.


Most players will react if they felt they were purposely pushed in the air, no matter how hard it was. If you do look at the replays Ben Wallace's upper torso moves a great deal. If you know Ron Artest the push was intentional.

Bottom Line: If you push someone in the air in a time where its not necessary, no matter how hard, the player will overreact, pushing people in the air is how people get hurt. That foul was unnecessarily over the top.

Getting and giving hard fouls is part of the game - you make statements to rivals that way that you're not afraid and won't back down. And Artest put his team first by not responding to wallace. But when someone independent of the game cheapshots you in the face like that, which is far worse than what wallace received, you defend yourself.

Artest was assaulted, wallace wasn't, and he responded the same way ANY other player in pro sports would respond. Wallace on the otherhand escalated a situation that was only part of the game.

Artest didn't swing at that fan either, only pushed him down (and then was restrained). Jackson was diffferent, but he only swung after another fan tossed a cup full of ice and soda at him and artest.

Speaking of Croshere, did anyone see him down on his back underneath a crowd near the end? He was lucky, he could have been trampled to death.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WALLACE, ARTEST, DAVIS and O'NEAL

All suspended indefinitely

who is davis??

 

[Miramonti]

thats bullsh!t!!!!!

Players association is going to rip a few new ones now!

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WALLACE, ARTEST, DAVIS and O'NEAL

All suspended indefinitely

who is davis??

must mean jackson...never heard of a davis.

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WALLACE, ARTEST, DAVIS and O'NEAL

All suspended indefinitely

who is davis??

Errr Jones I think it was.

Hey its close

 

[ctcsoft]

f'in BIG BEN would THRASH Ron Artest.

The manchild would chew that punk up in a heatbeat. I wish it would've been just Ben vs Ron right there.

Hopefully Ben doesn't get suspended for too long. That might really hurt repeat chances.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

f'in BIG BEN would THRASH Ron Artest.

The manchild would chew that punk up in a heatbeat. I wish it would've been just Ben vs Ron right there.

Hopefully Ben doesn't get suspended for too long. That might really hurt repeat chances.

he is suspended indefnitiely

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WALLACE, ARTEST, DAVIS and O'NEAL

All suspended indefinitely

who is davis??

Errr Jones I think it was.

Hey its close

there is no jones either

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

f'in BIG BEN would THRASH Ron Artest.

The manchild would chew that punk up in a heatbeat. I wish it would've been just Ben vs Ron right there.

Hopefully Ben doesn't get suspended for too long. That might really hurt repeat chances.

You may be right altho thats not why artest didn't respond to him imo.

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WALLACE, ARTEST, DAVIS and O'NEAL

All suspended indefinitely

who is davis??

must mean jackson...never heard of a davis.

Yeah thats him, the guy who followed artest into the stands and whacked the second guy to throw beer on Artest

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WALLACE, ARTEST, DAVIS and O'NEAL

All suspended indefinitely

who is davis??

Errr Jones I think it was.

Hey its close

there is no jones either

Fred Jones

 

[spanky]

Originally posted by: venk
OMG! Stephen Jackson just Pwned this guy!

OUCH!

fuggin ouch

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WALLACE, ARTEST, DAVIS and O'NEAL

All suspended indefinitely

who is davis??

Errr Jones I think it was.

Hey its close

there is no jones either

Fred Jones

but he is not suspended, right?

 

[Moonlapse]

The Pacers only played 9 guys last night. If these suspensions are put into effect immediately, then they'll only have 6-7 guys to play for a entire game. I sense a huge losing streak..

 

[Miramonti]

suspension links?

if its true, this is all headed to an arbitrator, just like sprewells case.

 

[boyRacer]

That's because there's fanboys in here who would gladly defend their team for losing their temper when both teams are guilty of it.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

I can't believe nobody has a non-RM video of this. You are failing, Anandtech.

Edit: Nevermind, found it in another thread.

 

[spanky]

damn, now i gotta go edit artest and big ben outta my fantasy line ups. sad sad day.

 

[Moonlapse]

Originally posted by: jjsole
suspension links?

if its true, this is all headed to an arbitrator, just like sprewells case.

It was announced on ABC a couple of minutes ago. ESPN doesn't have it, but on CNNs site, they have it on the Breaking News caption.

 

[kb315]

Yea, it was announced during the Mich-OSU game.

 

[Miramonti]

NY Times (registration)


N.B.A. Indefinitely Suspends Players Involved in Brawl During Game
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: November 20, 2004


Filed at 2:22 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA suspended Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson of Indiana and Ben Wallace of Detroit on Saturday for taking part in one of the ugliest brawls in U.S. sports history.

The suspensions were indefinite, and the league was still investigating Friday night's melee, which commissioner David Stern called ``shocking, repulsive and inexcusable -- a humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA.''

The league issued a statement saying it was reviewing rules and security procedures ``so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.''

 

[Miramonti]

The league issued a statement saying it was reviewing rules and security procedures ``so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.''

This attitude won't stand, and it will be stern's door out if he puts this all on the players shoulders and doesn't address issues of protecting the players from the fans.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: jjsole

The league issued a statement saying it was reviewing rules and security procedures ``so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.''

This attitude won't stand, and it will be stern's door out if he puts this all on the players shoulders and doesn't address issues of protecting the players from the fans.

Protect them from what? Having beer poured on their head? :roll:

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: jjsole

The league issued a statement saying it was reviewing rules and security procedures ``so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.''

This attitude won't stand, and it will be stern's door out if he puts this all on the players shoulders and doesn't address issues of protecting the players from the fans.

Protect them from what? Having beer poured on their head? :roll:

It often helps to see all of the videos before assessing one's opionion.

 

[aplefka]

I can't believe this thread doubled overnight.

And I hope David Stern is too harsh and gets fired over this. He was good for the NBA in the 80s and early 90s, but now he's shown his true colors as have most of the rest of the media. They were all over the Lakers' nuts until they got disbanded, and now it's time for the front office to have some changes too.