Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: kb315
Originally posted by: jjsole
Ben Wallace is responsible for everything escalating. He wouldn't let it go and got all the fans riled up as a result. They guy has a couple screws loose.
Ben Wallace has a couple screws loose???????
Do you even know who Ron Artest is???????
Ben Wallace just had his brother die a week ago, so yeah he might be a little charge up and Ron Artest meant more with that foul. If you watch basketball and teh NBA, you;ll know who Ron Artest was and what that foul meant.
It wasn't hard but the principle of it, Ron Artest was making that foul to unnecessarily.
LOOK AT THE REPLAYS - RON Fouls ben across the arm with his left arm. Then he unnecessarily bring his right hand to push Ben Wallace to the neck. THAT IS WHY BEN WAS PISSED. Its one thing to foul him, Pushing someone in the air especially in a already decided game is uncalled for.
Most players will react if they felt they were purposely pushed in the air, no matter how hard it was. If you do look at the replays Ben Wallace's upper torso moves a great deal. If you know Ron Artest the push was intentional.
Bottom Line: If you push someone in the air in a time where its not necessary, no matter how hard, the player will overreact, pushing people in the air is how people get hurt. That foul was unnecessarily over the top.
Getting and giving hard fouls is part of the game - you make statements to rivals that way that you're not afraid and won't back down. And Artest put his team first by not responding to wallace. But when someone independent of the game cheapshots you in the face like that, which is far worse than what wallace received, you defend yourself.
You think Ron Artest was the first player in the history of Professional Sports to get some beer thrown at him. He still has a right to defend himself, yet he can't go into the crowd attacking who he feels attacked him.
You make it act like Ron was justified because hes a "man", and as a "man", he has to kick the guys ass who did that. They guy deserves to get his ass kicked but Ron Artest can easily point it out to the refs, and have the fan arrested and charged. Its about being civil, in a bar if this happened a bar fight would ensue, but in the NBA, Artest should just brush it off because the beer wasn't putting him into danger, it was one beer, its not like the guy is going to go buy another beer and throw it again. The beer was thrown and thats all the fan did, I would call it excessive force not self defense unless the guy threw a knife or something like that. Artest should have been the bigger man and just walked away like he could from Wallace.
Just because someone is independant of the game doesn't mean Artest should be allowed to attack.
With your logic, any player who has something thrown at them can run into the stands punching people because they are independ of the game. You know how many riots and all out brawls will occur?
Regardless of what happened, the NBA must set a president, under no circumstance must a player enter the crowd.
Even if Ron Artest was justified, he still should be punished because if he isn't, the league is telling other players its alright to go into the stand if the player feels like they are being threatened. No, the player should just walk away. If it is a clear threat like a gun or knife, the player should run away and not confront the man because thats only going to cause more trouble.
Think about it this way if instead of a beer the guy had a gun, Artest would have ran away. That means in a situation where Artest's security is more threatened with a gun than a beer, he would have ran as would anyone. So now since the guy doesn't have a gun an has a beer, Artest can jsut come in and started laying people out. (I don't know if the last paragraph made sense.)
Also, you say the foul was to show your rival that you won't back down, well Ben Wallace is going to do the same. Hes going to say, I'm not backing down either Artest and thats why the push ensued. This does happen and sets a good tension for the next game, the time of the foul was way off. Artest didn't have to prove anything to the Pistons at that point. They had the game wrapped up, it already showed the Pistons that they are not going to back down. If it had been done eariler, I doubt Ben Wallace would react the same way, or atleast with as much force because Ben knew the game was over and he knew the foul was just to add more salt to the wound, which is why he was madder then he would be if it had been done eariler.
(This whole post might not make sense).