Pistons Vs. Pacers

[ctcsoft]

You fools. Read this article.

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It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

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It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

 

[LongAce]

Just because a player gets paid a lot of money to play a sport, it does not give the fans the right to physically and verbally abuse them. Players are not allowed to talk back to fans and if they do, they will get fine. This seems to not be far. The rules allow for fans to take advantage of player, they are people, knowing that the players can't do anything to stop it. It takes a toll on anyone when someone attacks you and you can?t do anything to stop it. What are the league doing to stop this or are they just encouraging it from the fans.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

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It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

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It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

All good points guys. I'm glad that the NBA will suspend him for the rest of the season, or 30 games. I wouldn't feel safe sitting courtside by the Pacer's Bench with Artest at ANY GAME. He's a loose cannon that could go off at any time, clearly if he wasn't playing pro bball I think he'd be in prison.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

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It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

Unreal that you think Wallace started the whole thing. Players scrap all the time on the court, hell Big Ben didn't even slug the thug, he just btch slapped him like Varitek did to AROD. It happens all the time. Artest was the biggest reason for the brawl, and the NBA agrees with my opinion and most in this thread. You are in the minority.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: isekii
Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

it was a flagrant foul. there was no play on the ball and it was unsportsman-like.

Ben Wallace is a big guy, it takes a pretty good shot to knock him down.

also you completely fail to mention the timing of the foul. it was unsportsman-like for him to foul Ben at that point in the game. the game was decided and there was absolutely no need for the foul.

finally, when you take into account Artest's history of flagrant fouls, unsportsman-like actions, and suspensions, you see a pattern of behavior. you can not deny that Artest has a history of getting out of control.

 

[iamme]

btw, i just looked at footage of the foul again. to say it wasn't a hard or unnecessary is ridiculous.

Artest nails Ben in the back of the neck with his left forearm. i'm not sure which angles you watched it from.

i'd be happy to get a video clip of just the foul if you'd like, isekii.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

Text

It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

The major issue isn't what artest did to ben OR what Ben did to Artest.

The issue is running into the stands like a mad man and being complete f'in idiots like the pacers did. This isn't some playground. This is PROFESSIONAL basketball and you just don't run into the stands NO MATTER WHAT. Sure Artest is man enought to take on a 5'8" helpless fan, but he damn sure wouldn't stand up to Big Ben now would he.


Artest didn't respond to Big Ben because he didn't want none! Big Ben would kick the living he|| out of Artest anyday.

As for the foul, it was harder than usual and the game was over. Artest had no business doing that and that set Big Ben off. Not to mention Ben W. just had his brother die. He isn't going to take sh!t from nobody.

 

[kevman]

Artest is a fvcking Queensbridge thug, they should make an example out of him and bann him from the NBA forever. I hope that motherfvcker gets sued for every fvcking penny.

 

[BRObedoza]

Don't forget. Artest's new album comes out Nov 23rd.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

Text

It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

The major issue isn't what artest did to ben OR what Ben did to Artest.

The issue is running into the stands like a mad man and being complete f'in idiots like the pacers did. This isn't some playground. This is PROFESSIONAL basketball and you just don't run into the stands NO MATTER WHAT. Sure Artest is man enought to take on a 5'8" helpless fan, but he damn sure wouldn't stand up to Big Ben now would he.


Artest didn't respond to Big Ben because he didn't want none! Big Ben would kick the living he|| out of Artest anyday.

As for the foul, it was harder than usual and the game was over. Artest had no business doing that and that set Big Ben off. Not to mention Ben W. just had his brother die. He isn't going to take sh!t from nobody.

omg you are seriously retarded ctc. artest didnt respond because he didnt want to get suspended he had his mind about him for a few minutes until the cup hit him.

MIKE

 

[kevman]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

Text

It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

The major issue isn't what artest did to ben OR what Ben did to Artest.

The issue is running into the stands like a mad man and being complete f'in idiots like the pacers did. This isn't some playground. This is PROFESSIONAL basketball and you just don't run into the stands NO MATTER WHAT. Sure Artest is man enought to take on a 5'8" helpless fan, but he damn sure wouldn't stand up to Big Ben now would he.


Artest didn't respond to Big Ben because he didn't want none! Big Ben would kick the living he|| out of Artest anyday.

As for the foul, it was harder than usual and the game was over. Artest had no business doing that and that set Big Ben off. Not to mention Ben W. just had his brother die. He isn't going to take sh!t from nobody.

omg you are seriously retarded ctc. artest didnt respond because he didnt want to get suspended he had his mind about him for a few minutes until the cup hit him.

MIKE

bullsh*t. Artest is a p*ssy when he know's he'll get his a$$ kicked

You must be retarded, you're saying that Artest decided not to fight with wallace and get suspended for a few games so he can go and pick on a puny fan and get suspended for 30 games and ruin the Pacers season.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: kevman
Artest is a fvcking Queensbridge thug, they should make an example out of him and bann him from the NBA forever. I hope that motherfvcker gets sued for every fvcking penny.

My man, damnn I'm glad someone around here has some sense.

Am I the only one who saw FEAR in Artest eyes when Ben shoved him back like 10ft? He didn't want his ass whooped just before his album comes out.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: kevman

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

Text

It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

The major issue isn't what artest did to ben OR what Ben did to Artest.

The issue is running into the stands like a mad man and being complete f'in idiots like the pacers did. This isn't some playground. This is PROFESSIONAL basketball and you just don't run into the stands NO MATTER WHAT. Sure Artest is man enought to take on a 5'8" helpless fan, but he damn sure wouldn't stand up to Big Ben now would he.


Artest didn't respond to Big Ben because he didn't want none! Big Ben would kick the living he|| out of Artest anyday.

As for the foul, it was harder than usual and the game was over. Artest had no business doing that and that set Big Ben off. Not to mention Ben W. just had his brother die. He isn't going to take sh!t from nobody.

omg you are seriously retarded ctc. artest didnt respond because he didnt want to get suspended he had his mind about him for a few minutes until the cup hit him.

MIKE

bullsh*t. Artest is a p*ssy when he know's he'll get his a$$ kicked

I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: kevman

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

Text

It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

The major issue isn't what artest did to ben OR what Ben did to Artest.

The issue is running into the stands like a mad man and being complete f'in idiots like the pacers did. This isn't some playground. This is PROFESSIONAL basketball and you just don't run into the stands NO MATTER WHAT. Sure Artest is man enought to take on a 5'8" helpless fan, but he damn sure wouldn't stand up to Big Ben now would he.


Artest didn't respond to Big Ben because he didn't want none! Big Ben would kick the living he|| out of Artest anyday.

As for the foul, it was harder than usual and the game was over. Artest had no business doing that and that set Big Ben off. Not to mention Ben W. just had his brother die. He isn't going to take sh!t from nobody.

omg you are seriously retarded ctc. artest didnt respond because he didnt want to get suspended he had his mind about him for a few minutes until the cup hit him.

MIKE

bullsh*t. Artest is a p*ssy when he know's he'll get his a$$ kicked

I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

Ok one last time....

ITS NOT SELF DEFENSE *unless* you life is in imminent danger.

The self defense story won't fly. He f'd up big time by going into the stands and thats all there is to it. If he wanted to vent some anger then he would've been better off going after Ben. Thats still wrong but hey it happens all the time and the league would rather have that then a riot.

If Artest doesn't go into the stands then Ben W. is the only one who would've got suspended for a couple games. This is all Artests fault for not controlling himself. No matter how retarded fans act, you don't go after them and attack.

Artest and the Pacers are f'd. They might as well forget about this season.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

So, you agree that anytime a player is doused with beer he should run into the stands and start punching on anyone in the general vicinity of where the beer came from.

Might I inquire as to your age?

Do you plan on having any children?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Don't forget. Artest's new album comes out Nov 23rd.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman


I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

why didn't Artest "just take it like a man"?

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Artest has a LONG list of flagrant fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct, violent outbursts, etc.

Artest's 30 game suspension (if it happens) is warranted and fair.

how many chances should Artest get? Artest attacked the wrong person. what if a child happened to be next to the man? he would have been trampled. with Artest's track record, it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.

(btw, an informal online poll does not represent "most of America")

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: kevman

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

You fools. Read this article.

Text

It's ARTESTS fault for breaking the rule of no contact between fan/player. Had he not charges into the stands then BIG BEN would be the only one getting suspended. BUT NOOOOO. That dumbass thug just had to take matters into his own hands.

PACER players are idiots. They let the very stupid beer throwing ruin their season.

AND

30 games isn't sh!t. Spreewell got 68 games a few yrs back for choking his coach.

THINK ABOUT IT. You can sit there and try to justify Artests actions but he was wrong and will pay for it.

Preaching to the choir over here. I can't see how people dont see the major problem with Ron Artest's actions here. Siteing Ben Wallaces reaction as the starting point to the whole thing. My god, thats ridiculous. What is that quote again? "Dont argue with an idiot..because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you through experience?"

Artests foul on Wallace wasn't even hard. Look at it from all the angles you want, it wasn't hard.
Wallace took it to another level by pushing Artest in the face and kept on going on him while everyone was pushing him back. Artest never responded with anything towards Wallace.
At one point Wallace even threw a towel at him. He's lucky it didn't hit Artest.

The major issue isn't what artest did to ben OR what Ben did to Artest.

The issue is running into the stands like a mad man and being complete f'in idiots like the pacers did. This isn't some playground. This is PROFESSIONAL basketball and you just don't run into the stands NO MATTER WHAT. Sure Artest is man enought to take on a 5'8" helpless fan, but he damn sure wouldn't stand up to Big Ben now would he.


Artest didn't respond to Big Ben because he didn't want none! Big Ben would kick the living he|| out of Artest anyday.

As for the foul, it was harder than usual and the game was over. Artest had no business doing that and that set Big Ben off. Not to mention Ben W. just had his brother die. He isn't going to take sh!t from nobody.

omg you are seriously retarded ctc. artest didnt respond because he didnt want to get suspended he had his mind about him for a few minutes until the cup hit him.

MIKE

bullsh*t. Artest is a p*ssy when he know's he'll get his a$$ kicked

I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

Ok one last time....

ITS NOT SELF DEFENSE *unless* you life is in imminent danger.

The self defense story won't fly. He f'd up big time by going into the stands and thats all there is to it. If he wanted to vent some anger then he would've been better off going after Ben. Thats still wrong but hey it happens all the time and the league would rather have that then a riot.

If Artest doesn't go into the stands then Ben W. is the only one who would've got suspended for a couple games. This is all Artests fault for not controlling himself. No matter how retarded fans act, you don't go after them and attack.

Artest and the Pacers are f'd. They might as well forget about this season.

I guess we just feel differently about this... But, man, I don't understand how some of you come on here spouting all this stuff about it not being self defense and how most of the country agrees with you when that's not true, etc. IMO, it was the fans fault. Obviously Artest made a mistake as far as the rules go, but as human beings I figured more people would understand why he did this.

So, you agree that anytime a player is doused with beer he should run into the stands and start punching on anyone in the general vicinity of where the beer came from.

Not anytime. If it happens randomly, obviously it would have been easier for Artest to control himself... Maybe he'd yell a little or something. But this was right after he was nearly involved in a fight. His adrenaline was already pumping. I don't like how some of you are holding fans on a pedestal, that fans can throw sh!t at players and not have to expect any kind of retaliation. IMO, fans and players should be held to the same standards, but I guess that's just me and 48% of the nation.

And I'm 19, and I do plan on having kids. I don't see how that affects anything and why you're bringing personal things into this.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman


I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

why didn't Artest "just take it like a man"?

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Artest has a LONG list of flagrant fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct, violent outbursts, etc.

Artest's 30 game suspension (if it happens) is warranted and fair.

how many chances should Artest get? Artest attacked the wrong person. what if a child happened to be next to the man? he would have been trampled. with Artest's track record, it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.

(btw, an informal online poll does not represent "most of America")

And neither does this message board, but an ESPN poll sure as hell represents more people than much of anything else right now.

And this is one of my points... This suspension should be based on this incident ALONE. Artest made an obvious effort to restrain himself, and because of his history everyone looks past that and says, he was wrong, he's always been this way, etc.

My point with the take it like a man part was that people are talking about how he should have taken a bottle to the face like a man whereas Wallace's initial shove was warranted. That I don't get. Then again, I don't get blaming solely Artest in the first place.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Oh, and by the way, use of lethal force requires an act that puts you in danger of death or serious injury... Neither person used lethal force here, so obviously that means nothing.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman


I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

why didn't Artest "just take it like a man"?

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Artest has a LONG list of flagrant fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct, violent outbursts, etc.

Artest's 30 game suspension (if it happens) is warranted and fair.

how many chances should Artest get? Artest attacked the wrong person. what if a child happened to be next to the man? he would have been trampled. with Artest's track record, it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.

(btw, an informal online poll does not represent "most of America")

And neither does this message board, but an ESPN poll sure as hell represents more people than much of anything else right now.

And this is one of my points... This suspension should be based on this incident ALONE. Artest made an obvious effort to restrain himself, and because of his history everyone looks past that and says, he was wrong, he's always been this way, etc.

My point with the take it like a man part was that people are talking about how he should have taken a bottle to the face like a man whereas Wallace's initial shove was warranted. That I don't get. Then again, I don't get blaming solely Artest in the first place.

i absolutely disagree with this statement.

Artest isn't just someone who racks up technical fouls for cursing at refs. his track history includes violent outbursts and physically-dangerous fouls. he's a repeat offender who obviously isn't learning from his mistakes and punishments. (remember last year in the NBA Finals when he reacted to accidental contact with a stiffarm to the face of Richard Hamilton, sending him to the floor?)

in life, if someone is repeatedly a violent offender why would you treat each case seperately?

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman


I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

why didn't Artest "just take it like a man"?

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Artest has a LONG list of flagrant fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct, violent outbursts, etc.

Artest's 30 game suspension (if it happens) is warranted and fair.

how many chances should Artest get? Artest attacked the wrong person. what if a child happened to be next to the man? he would have been trampled. with Artest's track record, it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.

(btw, an informal online poll does not represent "most of America")

And neither does this message board, but an ESPN poll sure as hell represents more people than much of anything else right now.

And this is one of my points... This suspension should be based on this incident ALONE. Artest made an obvious effort to restrain himself, and because of his history everyone looks past that and says, he was wrong, he's always been this way, etc.

My point with the take it like a man part was that people are talking about how he should have taken a bottle to the face like a man whereas Wallace's initial shove was warranted. That I don't get. Then again, I don't get blaming solely Artest in the first place.

i absolutely disagree with this statement.

Artest isn't just someone who racks up technical fouls for cursing at refs. his track history includes violent outbursts and physically-dangerous fouls. he's a repeat offender who obviously isn't learning from his mistakes and punishments. (remember last year in the NBA Finals when he reacted to accidental contact with a stiffarm to the face of Richard Hamilton, sending him to the floor?)

in life, if someone is repeatedly a violent offender why would you treat each case seperately?

Your opinions don't count either.
You're a pistons fan.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman


I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

why didn't Artest "just take it like a man"?

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Artest has a LONG list of flagrant fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct, violent outbursts, etc.

Artest's 30 game suspension (if it happens) is warranted and fair.

how many chances should Artest get? Artest attacked the wrong person. what if a child happened to be next to the man? he would have been trampled. with Artest's track record, it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.

(btw, an informal online poll does not represent "most of America")

And neither does this message board, but an ESPN poll sure as hell represents more people than much of anything else right now.

And this is one of my points... This suspension should be based on this incident ALONE. Artest made an obvious effort to restrain himself, and because of his history everyone looks past that and says, he was wrong, he's always been this way, etc.

My point with the take it like a man part was that people are talking about how he should have taken a bottle to the face like a man whereas Wallace's initial shove was warranted. That I don't get. Then again, I don't get blaming solely Artest in the first place.

i absolutely disagree with this statement.

Artest isn't just someone who racks up technical fouls for cursing at refs. his track history includes violent outbursts and physically-dangerous fouls. he's a repeat offender who obviously isn't learning from his mistakes and punishments. (remember last year in the NBA Finals when he reacted to accidental contact with a stiffarm to the face of Richard Hamilton, sending him to the floor?)

in life, if someone is repeatedly a violent offender why would you treat each case seperately?

I guess I understand that much, and the NBA will undoubtedly agree, but I don't think Artest, in this situation, acted any differently than most NBA players would have. Fact is, every NBA player that I have heard comment on this agrees with what Artest did and seems unhappy with how fans are allowed to treat players without risking retaliation. This is why I said it's unfortunate that it had to happen to Artest... He's already been through so much of this that, well, many people feel the same as you do.