:thumbsup: That is the funniest thing I've seen all day, and I've been to the LHC webcam already.
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Originally posted by: CKent
We can't be a free nation if a breed of dog is banned, but we can increase punishment for negligent owners.
This is a retarded statement. On many levels. I cant own a freaking bear can I? I must live in freaking red china!
bolded the stupid piece..
I'm pretty sure your constitution allows you to keep a bear. Or at least his arms.
damn, I think that's the funniest thing I've ever read from you.
:thumbsup: and it was pretty funny too
Originally posted by: fishjie
whoa why drag china into this. china is awesome. they probably ban pitbulls because they realize theyre a horrible breed. i like how the attacks are blamed on the owners. do bear owners get blamed when the bear mauls someone, or does the bear? use common sense now ppl. if you really want to argue its the owners fault, fine, give them life imprisonment for any pitbull attacks, and see who still wants to own a pitbull.
Originally posted by: theGlove
from the article link:
"I just don't understand why they'd go and attack. They've never attacked anybody, even people who came over and stuff," Travis Cunningham Jr. told the television station.
such a sad story, hope she pulls through ok
Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: zinfamous
oh boy! another pit bull thread, filled with the same uninformed BS we've come to expect.
READ
So having sat down and read all 5 pages of this, allow me to summarize:
The article spends an exhaustive amount of time on categorization. Whether Pit Bulls are in fact the most dangerous breed or not. However, in all this long winded approach, the article never once attempts to label Pit Bulls as anything other than a dangerous and aggressive breed. It only makes a point to state that they are loyal and that the bite statistics for them fluctuate from year to year with other dangerous breeds.
So based on your article we've established that, yes, Pit Bulls are dangerous. Now we have to ask exactly how dangerous?
"Pit bulls, descendants of the bulldogs used in the nineteenth century for bull baiting and dogfighting, have been bred for ?gameness,? and thus a lowered inhibition to aggression. Most dogs fight as a last resort, when staring and growling fail. A pit bull is willing to fight with little or no provocation. Pit bulls seem to have a high tolerance for pain, making it possible for them to fight to the point of exhaustion. Whereas guard dogs like German shepherds usually attempt to restrain those they perceive to be threats by biting and holding, pit bulls try to inflict the maximum amount of damage on an opponent. They bite, hold, shake, and tear. They don?t growl or assume an aggressive facial expression as warning. They just attack. ?They are often insensitive to behaviors that usually stop aggression,? one scientific review of the breed states. ?For example, dogs not bred for fighting usually display defeat in combat by rolling over and exposing a light underside. On several occasions, pit bulls have been reported to disembowel dogs offering this signal of submission.? In epidemiological studies of dog bites, the pit bull is overrepresented among dogs known to have seriously injured or killed human beings, and, as a result, pit bulls have been banned or restricted in several Western European countries, China, and numerous cities and municipalities across North America. Pit bulls are dangerous."
Ok, so apparently the answer, again from your article, is pit bulls are very. fucking. dangerous. Do I even need to discuss this? It's pretty damning evidence in it's own right. We've got a breed that will attack without warning, meaning there is very little chance of the owner being able to correct the behavior before is too late, but more on the owners later. On top of that, once it has attacked, it's going for the kill. Point being is that there are other aggressive breeds that are a lot less dangerous when it actually comes to the attack.
Now, the article's suggestion, instead of banning Pit Bulls, was greater punishment for the owner. I don't disagree with this. However the amount of work they suggested doing, checking on the dog, reprimanding the owner, neutering the dog at the states cost, etc all come across pretty ridiculous when we are talking about trying to do everything possible to make a species bred for killing acceptable as a house pet. They basically suggested that we treat pit bull owners like they are on probation with cops rolling past their house to make sure their dog hasn't killed anyone today.
So let's talk about the owner. It comes up time and time again that despite Pit Bulls being bred for destruction, that it is often the owner that teaches them all these awful killing techniques or perhaps the owner's lack of teaching. But face it, the majority of dog owners are not Cesar Millan. All it takes is one person in the house to be bad at training the dog (and bad doesn't mean they train it to attack stuffed dummies of children) to create many bad habits for a dog, even one that has been through obedience school. Very few dogs are well trained across the grand spectrum, so at the end of the day we are putting a lot of faith into the dogs breed first and foremost. And what do we already know about a Pit Bulls?
Agree with this. Although I know pitbulls who are the sweetest dogs and have never shown an ounce of aggression. It depends on the dog.Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Owners of the breed should be required to attend dog obedience classes.
Can we get a picture of your pitbull smiling? :laugh:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Scientific principles and medical procedures are generally antiseptic discussions. The measurement methods of dog intelligence and the rankings you refer to are highly controversial, first of all. Then there's the emotionally charged aspect of the discussion whenever pit bulls are brought up. So we aren't talking about medical journals here. While not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor the vast amount of it is certainly up for debate and pointing to a single finding that ranks intelligence by breed certainly does not settle that debate.Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's a copout and you know it.
Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET!
As an example, look at the #1 ranked dog, the Border Collie. They require a lot of time investment and attention. If not they tend to get anxious and bored. It's advised not to leave them alone for extended periods or they will tear things up. I'm not sure that argues for intelligence. In fact, it seems to argue against it. All of my pits have been house dogs and, once past the puppy stage, none of them have ever torn things up while left alone for extended periods.
The pit I have now will position herself in the loft, looking out the window and patiently wait for my wife and I to come home. When she sees the car pull in she'll stand up and start wagging her tail. When we get out of the car she'll give us a huge smile. In fact, she smiles at anyone that comes over. Some people are a bit intimidated by it until I explain what she's doing. Once they realize she IS smiling, they can't get over it. It's the funniest damn thing you'll ever see a dog do. I can also simply tell my dog that someone is coming over in a little while. She'll go back up to loft and watch for that person to arrive. If I don't tell her someone is coming over and I hear them arive, I simply have to say "Who's here?" to her. She goes right to the front door and begins looking. She also has the ability to count to at least two. She has two rubber balls at all times that she chews on. She'll leave them scattered around the house. I can pick one up and ask her where the other one is. She'll immediately begin searching for it. I never had to train her to do any of those things. She just began doing them. She does all the mundane sit, lay down, and speak stuff as well, which I did train her to do.
People can whine and cry all they want about how dangerous pits are and call to ban them. In some ways it's very similar to the gun issue. Well, to answer that...They can pry my pits from my cold, dead hands.
If people want to regulate the ownership of pits, I have no problems with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd completely prefer to kep pit bulls out of the hands of idiots, and the morons who use them as nothing more than penis extensions. Great dogs like pits don't deserve dumbass owners.
Originally posted by: DomS
Dalmations are actually the most vicious breed of dog. They account for the greatest % of maulings. But you never hear this
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Can we get a picture of your pitbull smiling? :laugh:
Originally posted by: BudAshes
The ultimate problem with these anti pit bull studies is that many times dogs that don't even have pit bull in them are reported as pit bulls in attack cases.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Scientific principles and medical procedures are generally antiseptic discussions. The measurement methods of dog intelligence and the rankings you refer to are highly controversial, first of all. Then there's the emotionally charged aspect of the discussion whenever pit bulls are brought up. So we aren't talking about medical journals here. While not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor the vast amount of it is certainly up for debate and pointing to a single finding that ranks intelligence by breed certainly does not settle that debate.Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's a copout and you know it.
Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET!
As an example, look at the #1 ranked dog, the Border Collie. They require a lot of time investment and attention. If not they tend to get anxious and bored. It's advised not to leave them alone for extended periods or they will tear things up. I'm not sure that argues for intelligence. In fact, it seems to argue against it. All of my pits have been house dogs and, once past the puppy stage, none of them have ever torn things up while left alone for extended periods.
The pit I have now will position herself in the loft, looking out the window and patiently wait for my wife and I to come home. When she sees the car pull in she'll stand up and start wagging her tail. When we get out of the car she'll give us a huge smile. In fact, she smiles at anyone that comes over. Some people are a bit intimidated by it until I explain what she's doing. Once they realize she IS smiling, they can't get over it. It's the funniest damn thing you'll ever see a dog do. I can also simply tell my dog that someone is coming over in a little while. She'll go back up to loft and watch for that person to arrive. If I don't tell her someone is coming over and I hear them arive, I simply have to say "Who's here?" to her. She goes right to the front door and begins looking. She also has the ability to count to at least two. She has two rubber balls at all times that she chews on. She'll leave them scattered around the house. I can pick one up and ask her where the other one is. She'll immediately begin searching for it. I never had to train her to do any of those things. She just began doing them. She does all the mundane sit, lay down, and speak stuff as well, which I did train her to do.
People can whine and cry all they want about how dangerous pits are and call to ban them. In some ways it's very similar to the gun issue. Well, to answer that...They can pry my pits from my cold, dead hands.
If people want to regulate the ownership of pits, I have no problems with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd completely prefer to kep pit bulls out of the hands of idiots, and the morons who use them as nothing more than penis extensions. Great dogs like pits don't deserve dumbass owners.
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Can we get a picture of your pitbull smiling? :laugh:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Scientific principles and medical procedures are generally antiseptic discussions. The measurement methods of dog intelligence and the rankings you refer to are highly controversial, first of all. Then there's the emotionally charged aspect of the discussion whenever pit bulls are brought up. So we aren't talking about medical journals here. While not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor the vast amount of it is certainly up for debate and pointing to a single finding that ranks intelligence by breed certainly does not settle that debate.Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's a copout and you know it.
Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET!
As an example, look at the #1 ranked dog, the Border Collie. They require a lot of time investment and attention. If not they tend to get anxious and bored. It's advised not to leave them alone for extended periods or they will tear things up. I'm not sure that argues for intelligence. In fact, it seems to argue against it. All of my pits have been house dogs and, once past the puppy stage, none of them have ever torn things up while left alone for extended periods.
The pit I have now will position herself in the loft, looking out the window and patiently wait for my wife and I to come home. When she sees the car pull in she'll stand up and start wagging her tail. When we get out of the car she'll give us a huge smile. In fact, she smiles at anyone that comes over. Some people are a bit intimidated by it until I explain what she's doing. Once they realize she IS smiling, they can't get over it. It's the funniest damn thing you'll ever see a dog do. I can also simply tell my dog that someone is coming over in a little while. She'll go back up to loft and watch for that person to arrive. If I don't tell her someone is coming over and I hear them arive, I simply have to say "Who's here?" to her. She goes right to the front door and begins looking. She also has the ability to count to at least two. She has two rubber balls at all times that she chews on. She'll leave them scattered around the house. I can pick one up and ask her where the other one is. She'll immediately begin searching for it. I never had to train her to do any of those things. She just began doing them. She does all the mundane sit, lay down, and speak stuff as well, which I did train her to do.
People can whine and cry all they want about how dangerous pits are and call to ban them. In some ways it's very similar to the gun issue. Well, to answer that...They can pry my pits from my cold, dead hands.
If people want to regulate the ownership of pits, I have no problems with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd completely prefer to kep pit bulls out of the hands of idiots, and the morons who use them as nothing more than penis extensions. Great dogs like pits don't deserve dumbass owners.
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Pitbulls are horribly untrainably stupid in my experience.
A food aggressive or territorial aggressive pitbull is more dangerous than say... a toy poodle for obvious reasons.
3 Breeds make up 75% of dog related fatal attacks...
Pitbulls - gangsta
Rotts - gangsta
Dobermans - gangsta
Originally posted by: torpid
Agreed. Even Sarah Palin calls herself a Pitt Bull with lipstick. Lady, you are a god damned human being. It's ridiculous.
Would a Chihuahua put an 80-year-old woman into the ICU, or vice versa?Originally posted by: zanejohnson
on the other hand, the only dog i've ever seen actually attack a small child was a chihauhau rofl...
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: jpeyton
It won't be very long until pit bulls will be banned from cities just like other exotic, dangerous animals.Le spent more than 10 hours in surgery Monday at the trauma center at Harborview Medical Center, where surgeons worked painstakingly to preserve her hearing and reattach her ears, both of which had been ripped from her head, Makus said. Her jaw was broken and her right arm and wrist were crushed beyond complete repair, he said.
Her scalp is covered with staples and her legs have deep, raw wounds that cannot be completely closed because physicians fear trapping infection inside, Makus said.
"This was not a dog bite, it was attempted dismemberment," Makus said Tuesday. "There is no way to describe the savagery and carnage."
I say good-riddens, and if one even attempted to lunge at me or my loved ones, their owner would be picking bits of doggie brain matter off their lawn.
Ignorant
Originally posted by: zerocool84
http://www.realpitbull.com/myths.html
I love my pitbull. It is a really nice dog and had never attacked anyone not putting it in danger. They are just very territorial dogs and protective of their owners. They are strong dogs. My dog barks fairly loudly and aggressive when the neighbors cut their backyard lawn.
What dog doesn't though?
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Those sound like fight dogs. Here comes the ignorant pitbull hate-train.
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
If you ban pits you might as well ban rots, dobys, and shepards as well. Those that sought out a pitt for all the wrong reasons will migrate to another breed. We had a Shepard before our pitt and it was very human aggressive, we had to watch her constantly when someone was over.
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Can we get a picture of your pitbull smiling? :laugh:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Scientific principles and medical procedures are generally antiseptic discussions. The measurement methods of dog intelligence and the rankings you refer to are highly controversial, first of all. Then there's the emotionally charged aspect of the discussion whenever pit bulls are brought up. So we aren't talking about medical journals here. While not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor the vast amount of it is certainly up for debate and pointing to a single finding that ranks intelligence by breed certainly does not settle that debate.Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's a copout and you know it.
Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET!
As an example, look at the #1 ranked dog, the Border Collie. They require a lot of time investment and attention. If not they tend to get anxious and bored. It's advised not to leave them alone for extended periods or they will tear things up. I'm not sure that argues for intelligence. In fact, it seems to argue against it. All of my pits have been house dogs and, once past the puppy stage, none of them have ever torn things up while left alone for extended periods.
The pit I have now will position herself in the loft, looking out the window and patiently wait for my wife and I to come home. When she sees the car pull in she'll stand up and start wagging her tail. When we get out of the car she'll give us a huge smile. In fact, she smiles at anyone that comes over. Some people are a bit intimidated by it until I explain what she's doing. Once they realize she IS smiling, they can't get over it. It's the funniest damn thing you'll ever see a dog do. I can also simply tell my dog that someone is coming over in a little while. She'll go back up to loft and watch for that person to arrive. If I don't tell her someone is coming over and I hear them arive, I simply have to say "Who's here?" to her. She goes right to the front door and begins looking. She also has the ability to count to at least two. She has two rubber balls at all times that she chews on. She'll leave them scattered around the house. I can pick one up and ask her where the other one is. She'll immediately begin searching for it. I never had to train her to do any of those things. She just began doing them. She does all the mundane sit, lay down, and speak stuff as well, which I did train her to do.
People can whine and cry all they want about how dangerous pits are and call to ban them. In some ways it's very similar to the gun issue. Well, to answer that...They can pry my pits from my cold, dead hands.
If people want to regulate the ownership of pits, I have no problems with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd completely prefer to kep pit bulls out of the hands of idiots, and the morons who use them as nothing more than penis extensions. Great dogs like pits don't deserve dumbass owners.
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