Pixel 2 Stuff

sweenish

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I'm a little bit surprised that no one has posted anything about Google's upcoming phone yet.

Especially after Android Police dropped their render, HERE.
And followed up with more leaks just a few days later, HERE.

And it's not as if these are just the imaginations of fanboys. This isn't technobuffalo. Android Police was spot on last year with the Pixel.

I am quite excited. Our N5's have been showing their age for at least a year now. And these new phones are going to be with us for at least the next three years.

They will also be the first phones I bother putting a case on. I don't look forward to that a ton, but the new little one demands the precaution.
 
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Red Storm

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I am excited for its release, but we've still got a few months to go so no point getting too excited.

This or the Note 8 will be the phone of the year.
 

Oyeve

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The Pixel is the iPhone of Android. Too gimped to be of any use to me. No SD = gimped.
 

gorcorps

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The Pixel is the iPhone of Android. Too gimped to be of any use to me. No SD = gimped.
Since they've offered 128 gig options I've got over that part... But vanilla Android isn't great IMO. Not sure why so many people consider it a perk
 

lopri

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Since they've offered 128 gig options I've got over that part... But vanilla Android isn't great IMO. Not sure why so many people reviewers consider it a perk

Fixed for ya. I have asked several people on tech forums if they know what kind of changes are coming with 7.1.1 over 7.0, no one could answer.

People forget that starting with Lollipop, Google started decoupling their core services from the base OS. It was well understood at the time that marked a strategy change to fix Android upgrade fragmentation. Even many of Samsung (core) services are optional downloads now, and naturally they are updated via Samsung app store, regardless of Android version Samsung Experience version.

Furthermore, Google do not have monopoly on what goes on the next version of Android. It does technically, but many of the "new" features of Android are often what OEMs have offered in their products for a while, which Google later adopts/copies for the next version of Android.

Unless there is a genuine paradigmatic shift with a new OS or a brand new design guide is introduced, I see no reason to put so much weight on updates just for the sake of them. Another interesting point of data is that the OEMS that heavily relied on so-called "Stock Android Experience," have not been very successful in attracting consumer interests. (see Google Experience Edition, Motorola, Sony, and OnePlus, etc. as well as dozens of cheap Android tablets at local electronics stores that are more or less running the stock-ish Android)
 
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MarkizSchnitzel

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I don't care for stock, but my experience so far on average is that those that are closer to stock have far superior performance in day to day usage. Perhaps Xiaomi is an exception, but their OS comes with some other problems.
 
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Red Storm

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"Stock" Android - which we all know is not really stock Android, but rather Google's Android - is preferable to me because performance compared to same generation phones is almost always better, and you get the faster OS and security updates, both of which are more important in the long run. I do enjoy some of the extra stuff that Samsung throws in, but they aren't things that will keep me loyal to Samsung.

Right now, the Pixel 2 is my phone to get. The only thing that will keep me from getting one is if Google does something really stupid with the phone (such as the iPhone sized bezels on the current Pixels), in which case I can "settle" for a Note 8.
 
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gorcorps

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"Stock" Android - which we all know is not really stock Android, but rather Google's Android - is preferable to me because performance compared to same generation phones is almost always better, and you get the faster OS and security updates, both of which are more important in the long run. I do enjoy some of the extra stuff that Samsung throws in, but they aren't things that will keep me loyal to Samsung.

Right now, the Pixel 2 is my phone to get. The only thing that will keep me from getting one is if Google does something really stupid with the phone (such as the iPhone sized bezels on the current Pixels), in which case I can "settle" for a Note 8.

I'm there with performance to a point, but the faster things get it seems like the closer that gap is getting every generation. And as folks have discussed before in other threads, a lot of things related to performance (ie: the "smoothness" of the UI) is kind of subjective.

At the end of the day, everyone has different desires and priorities. When Samsung abandoned removable batteries and SD cards, I had very little reason left to stick with them and went with a 6P after my Note 4. The 6P was a pretty well built device, but the battery life was subpar and there were a lot of things I got used to that Samsung has offered for years and Google still didn't have an answer for. So despite getting updates regularly, I still felt like I was taking a step back feature wise. After Samsung brought the SD card support back I started looking at them again, and I'm glad I did because the S8 is nearly the best thing I could have asked for. It allowed me to downsize the footprint of the phone (I got a regular S8) without sacrificing much screen size. I got all of the Samsung features back that I missed, and was able to get over 128gigs of storage without paying extra up front for the phone. There's nothing really missing that I feel like I need to modify and root for, so it's kept stock and I'm happy. It's smoother than my 6P which I already considered pretty smooth.
 

Trader05

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I'm a phone nerd/hobbyist so I usually upgrade every year whether its iPhone or Google branded phone. The upgrade from the Nexus 5 to 6P was beneficial to me based on bigger screen and better camera. I started to get annoyed at the battery life and size of the phone (I thought it was on the big side, obviously smaller than the previous Nexus 6). The Pixel XL fixed those issues and is still a 0 issue phone in my daily experience. My only nitpick on the Pixel is the low level headphone & earpiece audio output compared to iPhone which is same with every Nexus i've had.

Maybe it's me getting older but I think this year will be the first hard year to upgrade and forking up the extra cash. Although smaller bezels is awesome, they really need to have some big improvements with the audio and camera for me to upgrade at this point.
 

Commodus

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Since they've offered 128 gig options I've got over that part... But vanilla Android isn't great IMO. Not sure why so many people consider it a perk

Getting every OS update quickly (which should always happen with every phone) is nice... also, it's good to have an interface that isn't so saddled with cruft that it can bog down months after you bought the phone.
 

MrSquished

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I'm a phone nerd/hobbyist so I usually upgrade every year whether its iPhone or Google branded phone. The upgrade from the Nexus 5 to 6P was beneficial to me based on bigger screen and better camera. I started to get annoyed at the battery life and size of the phone (I thought it was on the big side, obviously smaller than the previous Nexus 6). The Pixel XL fixed those issues and is still a 0 issue phone in my daily experience. My only nitpick on the Pixel is the low level headphone & earpiece audio output compared to iPhone which is same with every Nexus i've had.

Maybe it's me getting older but I think this year will be the first hard year to upgrade and forking up the extra cash. Although smaller bezels is awesome, they really need to have some big improvements with the audio and camera for me to upgrade at this point.

Good to know about the pixel audio output. That's always driven me mad on my Nexus phones and why I switched to an LG for is quad DAC. Almost got the pixel instead. Really not sure what Google has against audio volume consistently. Weird
 
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lopri

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"Stock" Android - which we all know is not really stock Android, but rather Google's Android - is preferable to me because performance compared to same generation phones is almost always better, and you get the faster OS and security updates, both of which are more important in the long run. I do enjoy some of the extra stuff that Samsung throws in, but they aren't things that will keep me loyal to Samsung.

Right now, the Pixel 2 is my phone to get. The only thing that will keep me from getting one is if Google does something really stupid with the phone (such as the iPhone sized bezels on the current Pixels), in which case I can "settle" for a Note 8.
I think Pixel 2's competition is going to be Essential PH-1, rather than the Note 8. (I am not sure where Samsung is going with the Note franchise at this point. Rumors have it nothing more than an S8+ with an S-pen.)

 

Zaap

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Pixel 2 looks great. Wow... they will actually go wirh a design this time? I wonder... that'll be active screen interrupted by camera like that?

Note 8: just as the Note 7 was far from just an s7 with a pen, I expect the Note 8 to be a pretty damn stellar device. Especially since they have to earn back confidence in the brand after the n7 fiasco. I doubt they'll just... heh... phone it in. But let's see.

As for the pixel... looks light years better than the first but for me no SD storage is still a 'no thanks.' I also personally see zero real world benefit to 'vanilla android'.

I kind of equate it to buying the stock version of a car vs one with all the fun options packages. 'Yeah, it's vanilla Ford! Isn't that awesome?' No. I like my sunroof, steel rims, more features
etc...
 

Red Storm

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That's actually the Essential phone from Andy Rubin. I wouldn't mind a design like that for the Pixel 2, as long as the top "bezel" is symmetrical with the bottom one.

As for the Note 8 not being much different than the S8+, I expect to see dual cameras, a more "professional" look (more boxy, squared edges compared to the rounded SO), plus the S pen and other pro oriented software extras.
 

sweenish

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Fixed for ya. I have asked several people on tech forums if they know what kind of changes are coming with 7.1.1 over 7.0, no one could answer.
So, it's a point update. As far as new features, very little was introduced in 7.1. I think the Night Light was the highlight feature. It was mostly just solidifying the OS. Thankfully, 7.0 wasn't as broken as 5.0 was.

People forget that starting with Lollipop, Google started decoupling their core services from the base OS. It was well understood at the time that marked a strategy change to fix Android upgrade fragmentation. Even many of Samsung (core) services are optional downloads now, and naturally they are updated via Samsung app store, regardless of Android version Samsung Experience version.
Play Services were introduced around Jellybean 4.3 (not Lollipop), and during that I/O, Google made a very purposeful point to not talk about the next version of Android nearly as much, because that was the year Google showed how they would upgrade Android without the OEMs or carriers. Android O is taking that much further, in that Project Treble will allow updates to the OS while significantly reducing or eliminating the work needed by OEMs or carriers.

Furthermore, Google do not have monopoly on what goes on the next version of Android. It does technically, but many of the "new" features of Android are often what OEMs have offered in their products for a while, which Google later adopts/copies for the next version of Android.
What are you trying to say? The only thing is that Google is slower to implement OEM features into the core OS, as those features prove themselves to be worth incorporating. Yes, OEMs get them first and test the waters, but you also don't want Google, the company that does have a monopoly on what gets committed to AOSP, taking the spaghetti approach to the OS. Or is every single Touchwiz "feature" just amaze-balls?

Unless there is a genuine paradigmatic shift with a new OS or a brand new design guide is introduced, I see no reason to put so much weight on updates just for the sake of them. Another interesting point of data is that the OEMS that heavily relied on so-called "Stock Android Experience," have not been very successful in attracting consumer interests. (see Google Experience Edition, Motorola, Sony, and OnePlus, etc. as well as dozens of cheap Android tablets at local electronics stores that are more or less running the stock-ish Android)
Last I checked, Sony has a very loyal fanbase, small in the US but doing well enough for themselves internationally. Moto was quite popular before Lenovo bought them out, and they still also have a very loyal fanbase thanks to their mid- and low-end offerings still being top recommends. My opinions of OnePlus aside, they are doing quite well.

And you are ignoring security in your dismissal of updates. If another Stagefright hits, Google is probably the only company that will have a patch deployed in a timely manner.
 
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you2

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The note 8 is also suppose to be stero speakers; not sure if the quality will be better than s8+ but the s8+ has horrible speakers compared to the g4 (not just volume but dynamic range). If they finally boost the quality of the speakers in the note that will be a first for samsung.
 

Anubis

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i prefer stock android simply because i have no use for all the bloat and shit that samsung piles on their phones, and it also annoys me that they rearrange where 1/2 the settings are or bury them for no reason. better performance also helps as well as actually getting updates even if they are small. If not getting another pixel id prob get an LG over a SS as i find LGs skinning much more tolerable. I had a G3 and it was a great phone

The essential phone is nice, ive messed with 1 but the lack of a headphone hack is a no go for me. and i really don't like samsungs designs for the S8, and the thing is about as strong an an egg when dropped
 

lupi

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The note 8 is also suppose to be stero speakers; not sure if the quality will be better than s8+ but the s8+ has horrible speakers compared to the g4 (not just volume but dynamic range). If they finally boost the quality of the speakers in the note that will be a first for samsung.

yes, yes, and yes. s7 was my first samsung phone and speaker was not great for speaker phone and of no use for playing music. s8 didn't change that much. would really like to see an improvement there.
 

sweenish

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The essential phone is nice, ive messed with 1 but the lack of a headphone hack is a no go for me. and i really don't like samsungs designs for the S8, and the thing is about as strong an an egg when dropped
I'd be curious to hear more about the Essential phone, assuming you're allowed to talk about it.
 

Anubis

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I'd be curious to hear more about the Essential phone, assuming you're allowed to talk about it.
they announced it and i don't know much of anything that hasn't been announced. its a solid phone, it just feels so much better built than other phones in its class its physically nearly identical in size to the Google Pixel (not XL), which is like a IP7 or Galaxy S7 in size. but it weighs like 50 grams more. it doesn't feel heavy it just feels solid. I'm sure part of this us due to the use of titanium/ceramic as a body materiel. However its not a slipper bar of soap like the Xiaomi Mi Mix was. Its also durable. We (I) do destructive testing for work, on electronics. and while i cant say much about that, this phone is most definitely not an egg. spec/software wise its an android phone, and TBH at this point they are all powerful enough that most of that experience is the same across the board. i didnt play with it extensively in that department.

I know they missed their orig date but last i heard they should be shipping nowish. so id assume reviewers should have them soon
 
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