Place sensible limits on welfare

[jaeger66]

Tonight I was standing in line at the grocery store to get a key made and this woman in front of me was trying to cash her welfare check. Now, she had 2 kids in the cart, one running loose, and #4 was in the oven. She didn't even care that the one kid was just wandering off to disappear or be nabbed by some freak. It made me sick, especially when I thought about how my taxes and insurance premiums support this piece of human filth; pumping out unwanted kids who will only grow to suffer so she can sit on her ass and get more checks. I stuck around to make sure the kid was OK...not that it will matter in the end I imagine.

 

[pulse8]

<< piece of human filth >>

Don't you think that's a little harsh?

 

[Hossenfeffer]

You. Out of the gene pool.



<< piece of human filth >>

Nice... real quality stuff there. No really, you're a keeper.

 

[jaeger66]

No, it's not harsh. You want to screw up your own life, fine. Don't drag inncocent kids into it for your own selfish gain.

 

[BettyBoop]

You know nothing about this woman and her circumstances. Not all people on welfare make a career out of it, you know. There may come a time when you fall on hard times and need some assistance, and some callous creep may stand in line at the grocery store looking at you and thinking these same thoughts.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

What the hell do you know about her life? Before you get all high and mighty judging this woman, how's about you walk a mile in her shoes.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Human filth? Nah.

Somebody who should be introduced to a better way of life through hard work and self-reliance? Yes.

 

[jaeger66]

I know an unfit parent when I see one.

 

[hans007]

well he does know that she has lots of kids.

 

[pulse8]

<< I know an unfit parent when I see one. >>

I can do the same thing with assholes. :disgust:

 

[cwjefferys]

you sure your not jerboi

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Now wait... before you jump on this little hunk of flame bait, this example does illustrate a valid problem with the welfare system.

It does reward recipients who have more kids for the sake of getting more $$$. I work in a legal aid clinic, and I have heard the 'I need to have another kid so I can get more welfare' thing. That is truly repulsive.

There are all sorts of people who are on welfare. Some are there becuase they have fallen on hard times. Some are there because they can't work. Some are there because they were born into the system, and have not been shown the economic benefits of not being on welfare.

The problem with welfare is that it is addictive. You are getting something for nothing.

It's like AT Hot Deals... only you never have to pay for your cheese and peanut butter.

 

[Mucman]

Do you really think she has much of an oppurtunity to change when raising 4 children? Easy to say she is human waste when you have the priviledge of having a spare minute on AT to post about it.

 

[AdamDuritz99]

<< piece of human filth >>



Though maybe that was stepping a little to far. I do agree with you about the bums on welfare. My mom works for the Human Services. And the stories I hear just piss me off. A third of the people mis treat the system going around every loop hole possible, driving nice cars and then get their welfare checks. :| Another third are just bums to lazy to do a damn thing and have no respect for themselves of their families. Real low lifes! And the other third actually needs the assistant for real causes of infortanties. I'm dead serious, about 66% of welfare money is wasted on liars and low lifes. :|

peace
sean

EDIT FOR THE PEEPS WHO READ MY MESSAGE WRONG: I did not say everyone is a liar or low life! The majority are in my city, but there is a big minority that actually needs assistance. My family too was once on the system, my mom is single and has raised 3 kids but she pulled her way out. The assistance helped her help herself. She didn't abuse it. Welfare is a great program if was used/done right.

 

[GingerSynapse]

My mother was on public assistance for a few months after my dad walked out on us. She went back to school, got a good paying job, and has been a self supporting taxpayer ever since then. God damn it, my mother is not "human filth." And she is not a "liar" or a "low life" either.

 

[jaeger66]

Raising 4 children?

1.) If you're on welfare you have no business getting pregnant.
2.) When you let a toddler wander loose in a crowded store, you're not doing a good job raising him. And I don't mean just a few feet. This kid was halfway across the store.

 

[jaeger66]

I admit the thread title is too harsh. But I was angry.

 

[GooberPHX420]

<< No, it's not harsh. You want to screw up your own life, fine. Don't drag innocent kids into it for your own selfish gain. >>



I agree with you 100%! Dont listen to these fools flaming you. I see that crap all the time here in AZ. We have a VERY high rate of people on welfare. A lot because we have tons of immigrant families who know that their 54434543353 kids will get them more welfare, and another big chunk is the trailer trash people who follow the same multiplication chart. That is bullsh!t. Anyone on welfare should not be able to reproduce. I dont give a damn, kick their ass to the street if they wanna keep breeding like that. These women / men should be fixed. There is no need to let the scum of the earth breed. I am a big believer in darwinism. Survival of the fitest. it sure as hell aint my responsibility to regulate their finances, and it shouldnt be anyone else's, either. if the person is legitamitly on welfare, then so be it. thats fine. And these people who stay on it for years, what is that crap? We have all kinds of help centers and support centers and all that fun stuff designed to get them on their feet. They need to impose some sort of time limit on welfare too..


Ugggh man this topic just kills me.

 

[jaeger66]

<< My mother was on public assistance for a few months after my dad walked out on us. She went back to school, got a good paying job, and has been a self supporting taxpayer ever since then. God damn it, my mother is not "human filth." And she is not a "liar" or a "low life" either. >>



Was your mother a baby factory? As I said, the title was harsh. But the woman I am speaking of has inflicted her twisted values on those who will neve rknow anything better.

 

[LordMaul]

Dammit! I thought this was going to be a Jerboy thread!

Oh well, his name DOES start with 'J'...

 

[GooberPHX420]

<< My mother was on public assistance for a few months after my dad walked out on us. She went back to school, got a good paying job, and has been a self supporting taxpayer ever since then. God damn it, my mother is not "human filth." And she is not a "liar" or a "low life" either. >>



Ginger, Im sure no one means any offense to you at all. Your situation is entirely understandable. It is very respectable that she used the system just as it was intended to be used - to help get back on your feet. Nothing wrong with that at all. Sorry if my post or any other may have insulted you at all...

 

[Mucman]

OK, the new thread title is a lot better . I agree something has to be done to get the leeches out of welfare, but I have no idea how

hmm, you did have a decent thread title up there!

 

[Hossenfeffer]

<< But the woman I am speaking of has inflicted her twisted values on those who will neve rknow anything better. >>

Her twisted values?! What the hell? You've yet to explain to us how the hell you know anything of substance about this woman's life. Yes, you've observed a drop in the bucket, but to make such assumptions and judgments is short-sighted as all hell, not to mention bad ju-ju.


Personally, I'd rather see -more- money pumped into the system or, more specifically, into community-based programs to help those at the bottom. Yeah, there will always be the problem of abuse and I don't like it.

Was speaking with a guy from Egypt that lives in Sudan. He was amazed when he came over here that so many people were homeless and/or poor. He found it inexcusable that we didn't put more into helping ourselves before we sent aid out internationally. "Why don't you take care of your people?" was his question. Tried to explain to him that we have some aid.


Hoss (who fell for this damn flamebait... hook, line, and sinker)

 

[Zebo]

Welfare and education is only 114 billion of the federal buget or 8%. Would you really notice 8% of the 30% (~2.5% of total income) in taxes you already pay? And is 2.5% of your salery to much to pay for someone who is down on thier luck or has been downsized? Plus welfare can't go on for ever since Clinton it's 5 years max with 2-2-1 split.

IMO welfare should include more benifits like job training and free day care for those who work part-time jobs. It's sad to me, as rich as we are, to see the lack of compasion in America. I suggest to anyone that thinks welfare is a bad thing to go over to europe or Japan. They have much better extensive welfare programs and less people begging in the streets higher test scores and a more educated populus, and a higher standard of living as a whole. But they don't have too many billionares.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Wisconsin I believe has a time limit now in which you have to acquire a job skill and re-enter the job market(which they provide for) or they put you to work for the state essentially making you earn a living 1 way or another. This is based on a news story I saw some time back so you Cheeseheads fell free to refute, elaborate, whatever......