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Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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Wow, early voting here in FL opens on the 19th, (my birthday, yay!) and I'm taking a personal day to be there.
Maybe I'll don a "team blue" hat or something just too piss off any "poll watchers".

The Texas Supreme Court allowed Abbott’s executive order allowing early voting to start on October 13 to stand. I’ll probably vote on Tuesday after work.
 
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Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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In the Dallas media market Dems ads are 3 to 1. It’s ad after ad during prime time

The NRCC is desperate in these races in Dallas-Fort.
 
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nickqt

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2015
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It's amazing that 61% of Trump voters think democracy is in danger, not from Trump, but because of nebulous conspiracy theory about massive voter fraud planted in their heads. It started back in the GWB years & they're really falling for it coming from Trump.
Republicans have been trained to scream hysterically at mirrors.

Just read what they write here every day.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Fortunately the population centers of Texas are controlled by Democrats. All major population centers have plenty of polling locations.

While the one mail in ballot drop off per county is stupid. The number of mail in voter in Texas will be a lot lower than other states. I don’t think it’s going to have as big of effect as some. The change only impacted a few counties and it has never been an issue beforeZ

I'm sure Abbott did it to try to pacify some faction of his party. They're still fighting him over extending early voting. It won't make much difference because there's not much absentee voting in Texas & the mail still works, if a bit more slowly. Fill it out, make sure it's right & fire it right back.
 
Feb 4, 2009
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I find the ballot box thing odd. Don't mail in ballots come with prepaid postage?

My City does this, its basically a mail box you can drop your ballot in.
No postal service involved. Fill out ballot, drop off at the box, those are stored and counted Election Day
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
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I find the ballot box thing odd. Don't mail in ballots come with prepaid postage?

Depends on the jurisdiction. The USPS delivers them as first class whether they have postage or not-


There are drop boxes all over here in CO. Some people prefer to do it that way, in general, cutting out the middleman of the USPS.
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
22,460
775
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Politico is a leftist biased rag. Using it to prove any point, particularly this one is laughable. “Democrats are smart and Republicans are stupid” isn’t a valid point that shouldn’t be entertained by any thinking individual. It’s childish and completely untrue. Let’s all think and speak like adults here. Trash talk supported by a trash publication opinion piece. Total nonsense.

You know who supports Trump?

Rosanne
Kid Rock
Ted Nugent
Scott Baio
Kanye West

That might be the worst list of supports you could possibly have. The only smart person I've seen speak out in support of Trump's Kelsey Grammer, which really surprised me. But then I realized the only reason I thought he was so intelligent was because of Fraiser. So I Googled him and sure enough, he was expelled from college and doesn't have a hair of the level of intellect that his character Fraizer did. I'm not saying all Democrats are Ivy League scholars, but I sure see an unusually high number of beyond dipshit Republicans.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
22,008
20,242
136
Depends on the jurisdiction. The USPS delivers them as first class whether they have postage or not-


There are drop boxes all over here in CO. Some people prefer to do it that way, in general, cutting out the middleman of the USPS.
Colorado was already transitioning to be a big mail in ballot state no?
 

GodisanAtheist

Diamond Member
Nov 16, 2006
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I personally plan to keep on truckin'.

At the end of the day, the politicians furthest from us are still the ones we should worry about the least.
 
Feb 4, 2009
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You know who supports Trump?

Rosanne
Kid Rock
Ted Nugent
Scott Baio
Kanye West

That might be the worst list of supports you could possibly have. The only smart person I've seen speak out in support of Trump's Kelsey Grammer, which really surprised me. But then I realized the only reason I thought he was so intelligent was because of Fraiser. So I Googled him and sure enough, he was expelled from college and doesn't have a hair of the level of intellect that his character Fraizer did. I'm not saying all Democrats are Ivy League scholars, but I sure see an unusually high number of beyond dipshit Republicans.

Plus these guys

 

sactoking

Diamond Member
Sep 24, 2007
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I stayed away because obvious troll thread was obvious. Then I got bored and checked it out anyway. There's a 4 or 5 page stretch that's just gold. Made slogging through the other 12 pages of insipid trolling worthwhile. Thank you!
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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We've voted by mail since 2013. In person voting is still possible but not often used. Works great. We'll never go back.

I read a good article on the start and rise of Oregon's mail in voting, and how one of the biggest supporters now was a big skeptic at first, but they feel it encourages overall participation in the election, and they have it down pat - no fraud involved. I do wish I bookmarked that article. It was in-depth and well written.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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People like you don’t like it when others have their own opinions. Typical leftist nonsense. My opinion is valid. Like anyone else’s.

nope. opinions aren't simply valid. try again, sister-fucker.


oh wait, that's my opinion.

it's valid. So, yep, you're a sister fucker. Now and forever. carry on.

sister-fucker. you aren't allowed to defend yourself. because I have an opinion. So, you go keep fucking your sister.

sister fucker. It's my opinion, based on everything I know about you. which is that you love to fuck your sister. ...even if she is dead. which is really fucked-up, man. but that's my opinion, you and fucking your sister. your dead sister, maybe.
 

zzyzxroad

Diamond Member
Jan 29, 2017
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I stayed away because obvious troll thread was obvious. Then I got bored and checked it out anyway. There's a 4 or 5 page stretch that's just gold. Made slogging through the other 12 pages of insipid trolling worthwhile. Thank you!

InstaBlock... It's like putting someone on ignore but faster
 
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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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@interchange post: 40306892, member: 1296

i: I actually don't agree with myself on this one. After I wrote each of my responses here, it gave me something of an internal panic to review my own behavior with actively considering the question. And the results are mixed.

But I stopped judging myself pretty quickly. What I stated turned out to be an expression of a moral ideal. The way I see it at least, moralism is one way to defend against psychic conflict, and it's often a limiting one which pushes to categorize people as either good or bad. And it's a particularly limiting when you fear your own amorality.

So I'll restate my observation about the question. I think it's fundamental that, when someone judges another, they face a conflict in judging themselves in order to justify their judgment of another. When the person they are judging is different in a way they are unable to mentalize, how can they be certain they judge themselves fairly?

M: One of the elements of your original post that inspired me to call it intriguing was that what you were presenting was, as I saw it, a exactly as you say, moral aphorism or statement, again, in my opinion, on a rather lofty plain, one that could pay great dividends if sincerely aspired to. But it is the very sort of question the answer to which I believe those in denial about their own judgmental temperament might likely unconsciously overlook.

i: I'd say now it's better to state that the conflict is fundamental. Everyone deep down fears they are nothing -- that they are hypocrites ready to be exposed and rendered worthless. That is the truth regardless of whether people in general are anywhere close to this awareness. But since the conflict is there, it must be overcome in some way in order to contain that fear from escaping and overwhelming them.

M: I think the common wisdom is that this kind of madness is to be feared and avoided like the plague, that it would lead to institutionalization or worse. I also believe that much of psychiatry is directed to helping people cope with their mental illness rather than go through the kind of cathartic episodes that could cure them. My own belief is that everything we fear has already happened and all the damage is done so it is better to relive the experience and let it all out rather than become better able to keep it all bottled up.

i: I will say that, as a person moves closer to awareness of such a conflict in their own mental processes, that opens the door to discover more about the self and the other, which might lead to results someone judges as "good".

M: I would so judge.

i: I will comment here that one of the fundamental principles I have applied to my study of how the mind works -- something I have never explicitly been taught to do but have seen expressions of similar conclusions -- is that, while people's minds work in ways which are irrational, if the way in which people's minds are working is ubiquitous, then the problem is that you have simply failed to make sense of it.

M: If I am getting what you are saying and perhaps I am not, but if I am than I would say that the failure to make sense of it and its universality is that we are unconsciously motivated not to examine the issue. It is easier to see that people with profoundly damaged or very poor self image, people very down on themselves exhibit unconscious self destructive tendencies. It is much more difficult to see it in one's self particularly if one is fairly well adjusted. But I believe that it is the universality of self hate and the unconscious desire not to remember that explains why denial is pretty universal. The other reason it is universal I think is that we had to die psychically as children in order to survive physically. The weight of endless resistance to the demands of conformity would have forced greater and greater torment. We are all broken children.

i: To that end, if a great number of people facing the same conflict choose to find ways to avoid awareness of that conflict altogether, then it must be that reasoning exists why doing so is "good".

M: I wouldn't say good. I would say to be expected. We live and breathe in a world of psychological darkness, unaware that the things we fear have already happened and the madness we fear will grip us already has. I suppose if everyone were to be forced awake up in a single instant there would be untold millions of worldwide deaths. The world on a bad trip on LSD.

i: So from following this exchange with you, I am concluding that my responses signaled to you awareness of this conflict within you, and you have some will to explore the ways you and others approach it. Perhaps you are now a tiny bit more free than you were previously.

M: To be sure one of the central questions of my psychic life revolves around the nature of certainty. I find the notion that I am a nobody who knows nothing very important even if it makes me know one more thing than all those who do think they know things. It's trying to live it where there's slips between cup and lip. It helps that I find my mind and my conscious awareness to be rather hilarious. How can you be human and avoid total embarrassment?

i: I will say that something else I have observed which I'm not sure anyone has actually formally taught me is that, when the conditions of someone's life and interactions with others make sense to them, they have a tendency to come to the conclusion that this is the way things are, have always been, and always will be. It's my personal hypothesis that the lack of people incorporating awareness of this conflict at this moment in history is not a good depiction of how it has always been, nor is it a good depiction of who the people who are acting that way are. It is merely the most functional way their minds have determined that they should be for the circumstances of now.

M: Mulla Nasruden ran to his neighbor's house and him that his bull and broken the fence between them and gored the Mulla's cow, to which the neighbor replied is was an act of God and no compensation could be given. To that the Mulla replied, Yes yes, of course, but I misspoke. It was my bull that broke the fence and gored your cow, to which the neighbor replied, "Now that is a completely different matter."
 

interchange

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 1999
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@interchange post: 40306892, member: 1296

i: I actually don't agree with myself on this one. After I wrote each of my responses here, it gave me something of an internal panic to review my own behavior with actively considering the question. And the results are mixed.

But I stopped judging myself pretty quickly. What I stated turned out to be an expression of a moral ideal. The way I see it at least, moralism is one way to defend against psychic conflict, and it's often a limiting one which pushes to categorize people as either good or bad. And it's a particularly limiting when you fear your own amorality.

So I'll restate my observation about the question. I think it's fundamental that, when someone judges another, they face a conflict in judging themselves in order to justify their judgment of another. When the person they are judging is different in a way they are unable to mentalize, how can they be certain they judge themselves fairly?

M: One of the elements of your original post that inspired me to call it intriguing was that what you were presenting was, as I saw it, a exactly as you say, moral aphorism or statement, again, in my opinion, on a rather lofty plain, one that could pay great dividends if sincerely aspired to. But it is the very sort of question the answer to which I believe those in denial about their own judgmental temperament might likely unconsciously overlook.

i: I'd say now it's better to state that the conflict is fundamental. Everyone deep down fears they are nothing -- that they are hypocrites ready to be exposed and rendered worthless. That is the truth regardless of whether people in general are anywhere close to this awareness. But since the conflict is there, it must be overcome in some way in order to contain that fear from escaping and overwhelming them.

M: I think the common wisdom is that this kind of madness is to be feared and avoided like the plague, that it would lead to institutionalization or worse. I also believe that much of psychiatry is directed to helping people cope with their mental illness rather than go through the kind of cathartic episodes that could cure them. My own belief is that everything we fear has already happened and all the damage is done so it is better to relive the experience and let it all out rather than become better able to keep it all bottled up.

i: I will say that, as a person moves closer to awareness of such a conflict in their own mental processes, that opens the door to discover more about the self and the other, which might lead to results someone judges as "good".

M: I would so judge.

i: I will comment here that one of the fundamental principles I have applied to my study of how the mind works -- something I have never explicitly been taught to do but have seen expressions of similar conclusions -- is that, while people's minds work in ways which are irrational, if the way in which people's minds are working is ubiquitous, then the problem is that you have simply failed to make sense of it.

M: If I am getting what you are saying and perhaps I am not, but if I am than I would say that the failure to make sense of it and its universality is that we are unconsciously motivated not to examine the issue. It is easier to see that people with profoundly damaged or very poor self image, people very down on themselves exhibit unconscious self destructive tendencies. It is much more difficult to see it in one's self particularly if one is fairly well adjusted. But I believe that it is the universality of self hate and the unconscious desire not to remember that explains why denial is pretty universal. The other reason it is universal I think is that we had to die psychically as children in order to survive physically. The weight of endless resistance to the demands of conformity would have forced greater and greater torment. We are all broken children.

i: To that end, if a great number of people facing the same conflict choose to find ways to avoid awareness of that conflict altogether, then it must be that reasoning exists why doing so is "good".

M: I wouldn't say good. I would say to be expected. We live and breathe in a world of psychological darkness, unaware that the things we fear have already happened and the madness we fear will grip us already has. I suppose if everyone were to be forced awake up in a single instant there would be untold millions of worldwide deaths. The world on a bad trip on LSD.

i: So from following this exchange with you, I am concluding that my responses signaled to you awareness of this conflict within you, and you have some will to explore the ways you and others approach it. Perhaps you are now a tiny bit more free than you were previously.

M: To be sure one of the central questions of my psychic life revolves around the nature of certainty. I find the notion that I am a nobody who knows nothing very important even if it makes me know one more thing than all those who do think they know things. It's trying to live it where there's slips between cup and lip. It helps that I find my mind and my conscious awareness to be rather hilarious. How can you be human and avoid total embarrassment?

i: I will say that something else I have observed which I'm not sure anyone has actually formally taught me is that, when the conditions of someone's life and interactions with others make sense to them, they have a tendency to come to the conclusion that this is the way things are, have always been, and always will be. It's my personal hypothesis that the lack of people incorporating awareness of this conflict at this moment in history is not a good depiction of how it has always been, nor is it a good depiction of who the people who are acting that way are. It is merely the most functional way their minds have determined that they should be for the circumstances of now.

M: Mulla Nasruden ran to his neighbor's house and him that his bull and broken the fence between them and gored the Mulla's cow, to which the neighbor replied is was an act of God and no compensation could be given. To that the Mulla replied, Yes yes, of course, but I misspoke. It was my bull that broke the fence and gored your cow, to which the neighbor replied, "Now that is a completely different matter."

In my estimation, moralism is what is driving this bus straight into a brick wall.

Perhaps the answer is better morals. Perhaps it is finding a means to steer the bus other than morality. Perhaps the best we can do is invest rapidly in seat belts and airbag installations before that collision.

To the first answer. Have you seen evidence that my original moral proposition took hold?
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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We've voted by mail since 2013. In person voting is still possible but not often used. Works great. We'll never go back.
I started using it way back in 2004 in Nebraska, I never voted in person in the time I lived there. Makes it all the weirder to me that it's suddenly a big problem (except no, not really that weird, because it's just another peak on Bullshit Mountain)
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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I started using it way back in 2004 in Nebraska, I never voted in person in the time I lived there. Makes it all the weirder to me that it's suddenly a big problem (except no, not really that weird, because it's just another peak on Bullshit Mountain)

If elections are crooked, why have them? Hail Trump! He is our voice! He alone can fix it! He will restore Law & order! (But only if he can destroy it first)
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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In my estimation, moralism is what is driving this bus straight into a brick wall.

Perhaps the answer is better morals. Perhaps it is finding a means to steer the bus other than morality. Perhaps the best we can do is invest rapidly in seat belts and airbag installations before that collision.

To the first answer. Have you seen evidence that my original moral proposition took hold?
I often experience a feeling that I lack both the interpretive and communicative skills to clearly dialogue with you. This may be my own issue and have nothing to do with you. I think it can happen any time I attempt a challenging discussion or at least at times. It does not help that any approach to what I would regard some ‘deep truth’ for a lack of better words always involves paradox. To me that means that a higher insight into reality dissolves opposites one or the other of which someone else may see only one side of.

At any rate, I feel l may have gone aground on the ideas of moralism and morality. I use morality as a real thing, not a subjective opinion, and moralism as a bigoted judgement, a tool people use to raise their own personal stature in their own eyes above that of others. This is the disease of comparison, the disease of judgment, the disease of competition, an endless state driven by fear of failure and inadequacy.

There is no better way to steer the bus than morality, but only morality that is real. That can be had only by enlightenment, the death of the false self and the are re-acquisition of the true self. This is what I believe and can see. I do not think it is a widely shared view.

To answer whether I have any evidence it took hold, I need to know took hold in whom. For me personally, yes. It was the question that led to my personal destruction of everything sacred to me, my Christian faith. I could not find any way to prove that to be moral was superior to selfish greed which would be obvious if God we’re real, and I could not prove that he does. This robbed me of any future hope of joy.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the utter surrender to despair, the acceptance that life has no meaning. In a flash I realized that my need for meaning is as meaningless as anything else. I knew in that instant why the zen masters have the story about a man of slowly fading strength hanging from a cliff, tiger above and tiger below, who plucked a strawberry growing there that tasted so good. It has tasted good all the rest of my life. It tastes like Beethoven’s Ode to Joy or Silent Night. Who understands that God is within? You prove God exists when he reveals His face to the dead.
 

interchange

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I often experience a feeling that I lack both the interpretive and communicative skills to clearly dialogue with you. This may be my own issue and have nothing to do with you. I think it can happen any time I attempt a challenging discussion or at least at times. It does not help that any approach to what I would regard some ‘deep truth’ for a lack of better words always involves paradox. To me that means that a higher insight into reality dissolves opposites one or the other of which someone else may see only one side of.

At any rate, I feel l may have gone aground on the ideas of moralism and morality. I use morality as a real thing, not a subjective opinion, and moralism as a bigoted judgement, a tool people use to raise their own personal stature in their own eyes above that of others. This is the disease of comparison, the disease of judgment, the disease of competition, an endless state driven by fear of failure and inadequacy.

There is no better way to steer the bus than morality, but only morality that is real. That can be had only by enlightenment, the death of the false self and the are re-acquisition of the true self. This is what I believe and can see. I do not think it is a widely shared view.

To answer whether I have any evidence it took hold, I need to know took hold in whom. For me personally, yes. It was the question that led to my personal destruction of everything sacred to me, my Christian faith. I could not find any way to prove that to be moral was superior to selfish greed which would be obvious if God we’re real, and I could not prove that he does. This robbed me of any future hope of joy.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the utter surrender to despair, the acceptance that life has no meaning. In a flash I realized that my need for meaning is as meaningless as anything else. I knew in that instant why the zen masters have the story about a man of slowly fading strength hanging from a cliff, tiger above and tiger below, who plucked a strawberry growing there that tasted so good. It has tasted good all the rest of my life. It tastes like Beethoven’s Ode to Joy or Silent Night. Who understands that God is within? You prove God exists when he reveals His face to the dead.

I do not think you lack the tools to dialogue with me. I think that, when dialogue with me leads you to see me in ways which you do not wish to see, then this is how you avoid recognizing it. Probably because you have seen in me an ideal to which you aspire. One that is both real and false at the same time.

How would you judge me, that if it comes to war, instead of choosing on morals I choose the side which I think will win?

How would you judge me if I choose on morals and end up on a different side than you?
 
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