Plans for when Biden loses?

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snoopy7548

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Goldman Sachs and multiple major financial institutions have basically come out and said a blue wave that gives the Democrats control of the a house, Senate, and Presidency is the best outcome for the economy. They say the Biden plan will see a quicker recovery than Trumps lack of cohesive plans, even with democrats higher taxes and more regulations they expect the economy to recover two years quicker under Biden.

Trump has apparently lost his edge on economic issues. Not just on Main Street but with Wall Street. He is toast.

Welp, that's it. I'm voting for Trump. Screw the big banks.

/s
 

Wreckem

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I know you are being sarcastic but what the big financial institutions are saying is important because they are basically private sector economists. They are saying what they feel will be best for their economic needs for themselves and institutional investors. Even with higher taxes and more regulations they feel they and their institutional clients will be better off without Trump and the GOP in power.
 

iRONic

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Goldman Sachs and multiple major financial institutions have basically come out and said a blue wave that gives the Democrats control of the a house, Senate, and Presidency is the best outcome for the economy. They say the Biden plan will see a quicker recovery than Trumps lack of cohesive plans, even with democrats higher taxes and more regulations they expect the economy to recover two years quicker under Biden.

Trump has apparently lost his edge on economic issues. Not just on Main Street but with Wall Street. He is toast.
Link for the lazy

"Goldman Sachs isn't the only Wall Street firm to point out the positive benefits of a blue wave.
Moody's Analytics found that Biden's economic proposals, if enacted, would create 7.4 million more jobs than would Trump's. The economy would return to full employment in the second half of 2022, nearly two years earlier than under Trump's plan, Moody's said."
 
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zinfamous

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You surely are a piece of work:

"epic defeat trump handed Hillary"
wrong: the orange slimeball won because of 77,000 votes in 3 states.

"besides obama..."
wrong again: the guy was brilliant. top of his class for Harvard law, he didn't need to pay anyone to take his test, and he didn't bankrupt 2 casinos

"lies spread by the mainstream media"
wrong: you are watching too much oan, faux news and 8chan. did they tell you the rapture is coming and Q is close to finishing the job?

"uneducated voters"
they support the orange slimeball, just look at the mirror.

The "Dumbest Hammer in the South" (TM) tries to tell us that the one-time president of the Harvard Law Review was stupid and unqualified.

I love reading this kind of self-hating projection from OP.

 

Bitek

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I see an awful lot of Trump/Pence signs. I even asked a coworker who typically votes democrat tell me that she's greatly concerned about Harris, and how the country is leaning socialist. It's all ancedotal. I get that, but I'm still uncertain that Biden will be the winner. Only time will tell I guess.

Swing area.
In 2016, saw v few Hillary signs, a few Trump, but then they bubbled up in last few weeks. Many Trump signs went up after Comey and it was a noticeable shift.

2020:
Trump signs and flags in the typical redneck areas.

However, many Biden signs, saw a lot go up this week. Very noticeable increase, esp in the more suburban areas. Even seeing some in redneck areas.

Fingers crossed, but still concerned about all the ballot manipulation, Trump lawsuits, and general cheat to win desperation going on everywhere.
 

Thump553

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Jun 2, 2000
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Don't pick on OP. This thread has a value. It reminded me to renew my passport and keep assets as liquid and portable as possible. Watching the USA get hollowed out and collapsed from it's own stupidity is not something I prefer to experience firsthand.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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Solid example of Poe's law here... well, it would be if we didn't already know OP actually believes this stuff.
I’ll answer exactly how my #1 Deplorable (and major bullshitter) friend answered.
Maybe TH will respect me.
I’m going to get my gun and fly to DC because there is no way cheating wasn’t involved.
Maybe you second amendment people can do something, I don't know...
 

soundforbjt

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Don't pick on OP. This thread has a value. It reminded me to renew my passport and keep assets as liquid and portable as possible. Watching the USA get hollowed out and collapsed from it's own stupidity is not something I prefer to experience firsthand.
The only problem is that there aren't many countries that will let americans in right now.
 
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eelw

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Don't pick on OP. This thread has a value. It reminded me to renew my passport and keep assets as liquid and portable as possible. Watching the USA get hollowed out and collapsed from it's own stupidity is not something I prefer to experience firsthand.
South Park is right - "Blame Canada!!!". Canada orchestrated this to infect the US so it crumbles so we can do a hostile takeover with our one tank.
 

pete6032

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I see an awful lot of Trump/Pence signs. I even asked a coworker who typically votes democrat tell me that she's greatly concerned about Harris, and how the country is leaning socialist. It's all ancedotal. I get that, but I'm still uncertain that Biden will be the winner. Only time will tell I guess.
There are more Trump/Pence signs because conservatives feel the need to "be a part" of something bigger than themselves so they can feel fulfilled. Democrats not so much.
 

ecogen

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So, @Texashiker how much money did you put on Trump winning? You sound pretty sure and you should be able to get some great odds atm.
 
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Solid example of Poe's law here... well, it would be if we didn't already know OP actually believes this stuff.

Maybe you second amendment people can do something, I don't know...

You missed the major bullshitter part.
I suspect nothing will be done however provided Biden wins another guy & I will be shown the plane ticket. I know I will never see a plane ticket to DC from this guy.
Very similar to how all the militia guys seemed to lose interest when unmarked federal vans and personnel were taking people off the street to undisclosed locations.
 
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interchange

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I think by intriguing I meant something like 'sent my mind in so many different directions at the same time' that I wanted to find some word to capture that reaction generally instead of writing a book. One of those directions was to look for how that question might apply to and be answered by me which lead to a realization this could could easily be a can of words a subject requiring a lot of introspection and self confrontation, in short, the the kind of places in thought where things go bump in the night. But in keeping with a piece of advise contained in a saying I often quote, 'in the sea there are treasures beyond compare but safety to be found ashore, I figured the easy thing to do world be to pass your question by. So my reply was in part to draw TH's attention to that, that he would miss the opportunity you offered.

As to why you say this is the most basic, fundamental thing to always ask yourself when you are inclined to tell someone else they are wrong, would make a much better topic to discuss, in my opinion, than the topic of this thread. No insult to TH intended. I have no problem with the topic at hand.

Anyway, the irony for me here is that what you refer to as 'basic and fundamental' I find to be pretty amazingly. I would expect almost nobody to say such a thing and I am rather curious as to why you do. I would say that nobody ever says things like you just did because questions like that get avoided like the plague. They, far from being basic, are non existent. Your question opens the door to chaos and uncertainty.

Of course, I agree with you that such a question should be basic but because of rarity certainly isn't. So for me that shifts my attention to question why seeking an answer to it is so rare. Here I supply my usual answer to everything, namely, we can't ask because of what a true answer would require as to what we really feel and that is the last thing we will ever be willingly to do. The effort requires a massive excavation, the hero's journey of legend, a sword, a mirror and a dragon the direct beholding of which would turn the hero to stone.

I actually don't agree with myself on this one. After I wrote each of my responses here, it gave me something of an internal panic to review my own behavior with actively considering the question. And the results are mixed.

But I stopped judging myself pretty quickly. What I stated turned out to be an expression of a moral ideal. The way I see it at least, moralism is one way to defend against psychic conflict, and it's often a limiting one which pushes to categorize people as either good or bad. And it's a particularly limiting when you fear your own amorality.

So I'll restate my observation about the question. I think it's fundamental that, when someone judges another, they face a conflict in judging themselves in order to justify their judgment of another. When the person they are judging is different in a way they are unable to mentalize, how can they be certain they judge themselves fairly?

I'd say now it's better to state that the conflict is fundamental. Everyone deep down fears they are nothing -- that they are hypocrites ready to be exposed and rendered worthless. That is the truth regardless of whether people in general are anywhere close to this awareness. But since the conflict is there, it must be overcome in some way in order to contain that fear from escaping and overwhelming them.

I will say that, as a person moves closer to awareness of such a conflict in their own mental processes, that opens the door to discover more about the self and the other, which might lead to results someone judges as "good".

I will comment here that one of the fundamental principles I have applied to my study of how the mind works -- something I have never explicitly been taught to do but have seen expressions of similar conclusions -- is that, while people's minds work in ways which are irrational, if the way in which people's minds are working is ubiquitous, then the problem is that you have simply failed to make sense of it.

To that end, if a great number of people facing the same conflict choose to find ways to avoid awareness of that conflict altogether, then it must be that reasoning exists why doing so is "good".

So from following this exchange with you, I am concluding that my responses signaled to you awareness of this conflict within you, and you have some will to explore the ways you and others approach it. Perhaps you are now a tiny bit more free than you were previously.

I will say that something else I have observed which I'm not sure anyone has actually formally taught me is that, when the conditions of someone's life and interactions with others make sense to them, they have a tendency to come to the conclusion that this is the way things are, have always been, and always will be. It's my personal hypothesis that the lack of people incorporating awareness of this conflict at this moment in history is not a good depiction of how it has always been, nor is it a good depiction of who the people who are acting that way are. It is merely the most functional way their minds have determined that they should be for the circumstances of now.
 

Aikouka

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If you look at Biden/Harris and think socialist then I question if your coworker even understands what the term means.

We all know that it's what they saw on Facebook. I usually get remarks about them being "communist".

Yard signs are a spectacularly poor indicator of election results. I mean, I've seen more Doug Jones signs locally than I signs for Tommy Tuberville. I know where the safe money on *that* race is though.

I also see plenty of Doug Jones signs -- far more than Tuberville -- but I would be surprised if Alabama didn't vote a football coach into the Senate. Although, perhaps Jones could remind the Bama fans that he was an Auburn coach?

Repairing foreign relations shouldn't be too hard. All the western nations will just act as if last administration was just a dream.

I think it will be a lot harder than you suggest. To be frank, it isn't hard to reverse the stance of the United States; however, you still have to convince other nations that the United States won't just reverse course once the next Republican gets into office. In other words, I doubt they'll trust us to not be fickle.
 
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Republican presidential candidates have won the popular vote once after 1988.
NY and California are cesspools that have massive populations. They have created the democratic utopia and people are running like hell to get away. Thankfully there is a system in place to give less populated states a voice.
 
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If Trump manages to steal this one through SCOTUS blessed vote suppression and USPS shenanigans, I think this country is doomed to continue declining. Might even have a civil war if enough people give up confidence in the democratic process as way to settle our differences.
Yes because it already has been shown what your side is willing to do in the name of childish tantrums.
You guys have no one to blame for the upcoming loss other than yourselves. Did you really think people wouldn't turn on the party when they were openly supporting anarchy?
 

Sunburn74

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There are more Trump/Pence signs because conservatives feel the need to "be a part" of something bigger than themselves so they can feel fulfilled. Democrats not so much.
The number of mini truck rallies with trump pence flags (ie 4-8 pickup trucks in a line with flags just rolling down the street) I've seen is ridiculous. I never saw that with Obama, bush, clinton etc. It's purely a trump phenomena where blithering idiots feel the need to identify themselves as blithering idiots.
 
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NY and California are cesspools that have massive populations. They have created the democratic utopia and people are running like hell to get away. Thankfully there is a system in place to give less populated states a voice.

Haha two cesspools that are jam packed with people.
Sure sounds like people don’t want to live there.
 
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Yes because it already has been shown what your side is willing to do in the name of childish tantrums.
You guys have no one to blame for the upcoming loss other than yourselves. Did you really think people wouldn't turn on the party when they were openly supporting anarchy?

Hahaha Childish tantrums, have your read the Presidents twitter feed like ever?
Have you ever heard any interview with him?

Hahaha you are so funny man
 

desy

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Its dumb to have the EC blades of grass gophers and coyotes don't vote so why should they get more political clout in a system than actual humans of which that system is designed for governing humans?
 
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We obviously have unlocked alien tech for alternate realities. It's the only way I can explain the world views some people live in.
 
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Moonbeam

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This is such an intriguing question I fear it could easily be passed over missed. HEADS UP TEXASHIKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If by intriguing you mean the most basic, fundamental thing to always ask yourself when you are inclined to tell someone else they are wrong, then I agree.

Sadly, I don't see it being answered very often by anyone today. I do see it being asked. I know this because all the time I see communications from people trying to justify why they shouldn't have to answer it.
I actually don't agree with myself on this one. After I wrote each of my responses here, it gave me something of an internal panic to review my own behavior with actively considering the question. And the results are mixed.

I want to reply to this but I have first to deal with informing myself with the choices and issues up for vote in Nov 3 California General Election. Meanwhile, when I said "I found it pretty amazing you called your question basic I hope you know that what I meant by amazing was impressively and unusually deep or evolved in a moral sense, in my opinion. What was for you described as a first order of business could only be said, again in my opinion, by somebody of unusually developed character, a question that if TH actually would consider deeply he would be glad that he did. It was really a gift that you offered and one uncommonly rare.
 

Wreckem

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TX-3 is in play. This district went +32 for Romney in ‘12, +17 for Trump in ‘16. In the Senate race in ‘18 Cruz only carried it by six. Multiple polls show Biden tied or up 3 in this deep red district...

TX-3 is the highest educated congressional district currently held by Republicans. It also now is home to a lot of California transplants thanks to Toyota. But even that doesn’t explain a net swing of 35 points in 8 years.

TX-3 shows Trump is going to lose the suburbs as he would say bigly.
 
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We obviously have unlocked alien tech for alternate realities. It's the only way I can explain the world views some people live in.
Like mostly peaceful protests? Sounds pretty absurd to me. Or how about left wing mayor's offices telling police to stand down while people's businesses get looted? Does that sound more reasonable to you?
 
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