Playing with the HP Stream mini

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clintchammer

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Hmm... I'm hoping that I can retrieve the windows 8 product key from the bios with the use of this Windows OEM Product Key Tool. I found out about it from here.

That should work when it asks for the product key during install I would think.


Edit: Reading online, it seems that maybe I should try upgrading to Windows 10 using the existing SSD if it has enough space. Then when it's done, the activation of windows 10 is tied to my microsoft account and I don't need a key. I can do a fresh install with the new SSD in.

To be frank - Windows 10 will use about 18GB of space. I have this much use d up with Kodi, VLC, Cute FTP, Chrome and drivers installed.

Since you have a 128GB SSD how about you clone the 32GB to the 128GB. Then is the 128GB boots up fine u can upgrade it from Win 8.1 w/ bing to Win 10.
 

jim20111

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To be frank - Windows 10 will use about 18GB of space. I have this much use d up with Kodi, VLC, Cute FTP, Chrome and drivers installed.

Since you have a 128GB SSD how about you clone the 32GB to the 128GB. Then is the 128GB boots up fine u can upgrade it from Win 8.1 w/ bing to Win 10.

That would be what I would do if I had an m.2 to usb adapter and wasn't impatient.
 

jim20111

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Took me all night but my mini now has Windows 10.

The Failure:
I thought that the install would go fine on the normal 32GB m.2 sata with the windows update trick but the windows update messed up and took up most of my space before failing. I then tried the Media Creation Tool but that Failed, probably due to lack of disk space as I think it was using the same location.

The Success:
I used the HP Recovery software to create bootable recovery usb drive for the factory windows 8.1 installation. I swapped the SSD with my new 128GB and ran the recovery at bootup. Windows 8.1 installed fine and even sized the partition correctly to maximize my new hdd space. Then I used the Media Creation Tool for Windows 10 and told it to upgrade my existing system.

I am now running Windows 10 and it runs very well. I think I saw someone say 1080p 60FPS youtube was a no go before in this thread... well it's not now! Just tested it with Microsoft's Edge browser and it works perfectly. I should note that I have 6GB of RAM.

Now I'm just waiting on that cable discussed in this thread to arrive to hook up a 2.5" hdd as my secondary drive.
 

clintchammer

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Do you plan to use a normal hdd or ssd as the secondary drive?

I will be using a SSD since it theoretically runs cooler
 

kenzz

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............ BTW Windows 10 will chew up all the space on the 32GB m.2 SSD :'(

It seems you can download either a Windows 32 bit iso or a 64 bit iso from here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 for a clean install. I think that Windows 8.1 32 bit installed size can be quite a bit smaller than 64 bit. It might be worth trying 32 bit Windows 10 on a 32GB SSD which may leave about 16GB or more free space when the recovery partition can be deleted after a clean install. 32 bit cannot access more than 4GB Ram but for use on a mini desktop it's possible that difference in speed from 64 bit may not be noticeable in practice.
 

jim20111

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Do you plan to use a normal hdd or ssd as the secondary drive?

I will be using a SSD since it theoretically runs cooler

Regular not ssd. I'll use the 500gb hdd I pulled from another computer when I replaced it with ssd. I didn't think about cooling problems. Was just thinking for a secondary drive, I don't need the speed of ssd.
 

Hugh R

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I don't really need Win 10, but I thought I'd try it.

HP Support Assistant offered it to me, saying it was available from the 29th.

So many things went wrong.

My default browser was Firefox. The HP page offered to detect my machine type, but didn't realize that a .msi doesn't work on Firefox (I think). So I switched my default browser to IE and started over.

At one point, the process took me to a glossy page in Arabic. To fix that, I had to edit the url, replacing sa/ar (Saudi Arabia / Arabic, I think) with the correct ca/en (Canada / English). How does that happen?

I don't know how many times and in how many ways I said "yes" but I ended up in several different 500 errors. Probably overloaded servers.
 

clintchammer

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@clintchhammer, yes those are the tabs that you need to remove.

@hughr, Connector is not keyed. The cable will go in both ways. However, the contacts you see on the connector are only on one side.

There is a white locking mechanism on the connector, the contacts you see on the cable should face away from the white locking mechanism. I don't think you will break anything by inserting the cable wrong way, it just won't work.

I am traveling at the moment. But will try to take some pictures when i get home.

ravi c

the cable WORKS!

To fit the cable correctly the contacts on the cable must be facing you.

If the contacts are facing you the USB ports+power button are on the left and usb ports + hdmi + power input is on the right.

I snipped of the white ends easily and got it working in about 15 minutes.

I am using a 2.5 hdd so will observe for any heat issues.
 

slikwilly

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Windows 10 installed. I upgraded my drive to a 128 GB disk, and used the USB recovery drive I'd created to install Windows 8.1 again. Upon logging in it detected that Windows 10 was available and updated. From there I used a USB drive with Windows 10 install media to do a clean install which worked and is activated.

Now if only Edge supported extensions so that I could use Lastpass and ditch the 3rd party browser.
 

ravicc

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the cable WORKS!

To fit the cable correctly the contacts on the cable must be facing you.

If the contacts are facing you the USB ports+power button are on the left and usb ports + hdmi + power input is on the right.

I snipped of the white ends easily and got it working in about 15 minutes.

I am using a 2.5 hdd so will observe for any heat issues.

Awesome.

I am trying to set this up as my media center pc. I will report how win 7 install goes on this one.
 

Dr_Bunsen

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FYI, I just spoke to a Microsoft guy at a stand set up in our local Mall and he said the Microsoft store will upgrade HP Stream Mini's to Windows 10 in the store for free using a USB stick to perform the process. This will be a clean build and I'm told the machine will be like one of their signature edition computers when complete. The HP Windows 8.1 partition will be gone, so there will be some space saved from that, and based on my Winbook TW802 tablet, Win 10 seems smaller than 8.1. I have the PC booked into the store on Saturday and pick it up a couple of days later. Will report back.

Update 8/17/15: Picked up the machine from the Microsoft store yesterday, only took one day for them to rebuild with Windows 10. Was a fresh build, they removed the HP recovery partition as I requested, no additional bloatware of any kind installed by Microsoft and left me with 15Gb free (the machine had 350Mb left on it when it went in to the MS Store with Win 8.1 installed - virtually no other program files installed as all of these were on an external HDD)! Win10 must be pretty compact build. They provided me with the Windows 10 key too, so I can rebuild the machine in the future with a new SSD if I want. Also got a short tutorial on the new features on Windows 10. Overall pretty impressed with Microsoft Store service. BTW they loved the HP Stream in the store, apparently had a cluster of the techs around it when they were building it with Win 10.
 
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kenzz

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FYI, I just spoke to a Microsoft guy at a stand set up in our local Mall and he said the Microsoft store will upgrade HP Stream Mini's to Windows 10 in the store for free using a USB stick to perform the process. This will be a clean build and I'm told the machine will be like one of their signature edition computers when complete. The HP Windows 8.1 partition will be gone, so there will be some space saved from that, and based on my Winbook TW802 tablet, Win 10 seems smaller than 8.1. I have the PC booked into the store on Saturday and pick it up a couple of days later. Will report back.

I emphasize I have not yet upgraded my HP stream mini to W10 therefore I may not be correct. I'm waiting for another few months for the bugs to be sorted out. But I have upgraded two of my family's W7 PCs to W10 and I think it should not be difficult to do it yourself.

As I understand it, in order to get an activated W10 you need to upgrade from your existing OS first e.g. with W8.1 then you upgrade from that to W10 which leaves all the bloatware and restore partition etc still in place. But once you've done that then the installed W10 keeps a record in the PC of the hardware. You then do a clean install of W10 which wipes out all the bloatware and restore partition etc. This clean install of W10 then automatically activates.

Important to ensure you have the HP recovery media so that you can re-install back to original condition. Also use software to find the W8.1 Product ID in case you need it. Then, no need to wait for the W10 upgrade icon to appear; you go the the M$ website and download the W10 media creation tool which fits on a USB drive. You can use this both for doing the initial upgrade from W8.1 to W10 and then subsequently making a clean install of W10. For the initial upgrade I think you would first have to re-install W8.1 factory settings but don't allow W8.1 to install updates because you need free space on the 32GB to allow for the W10 upgrade files.

The media creation tool gives you a choice between 32 bit and 64 bit. For the 2 PCs where I've installed W10 I've found that the Windows folder after all updates for 32 bit W10 is about 8GB and 64 bit W10 is about 20GB. Therefore perhaps try the 32 bit W10; can only use 4GB ram and a bit slower but probably not much noticeable difference with the HP stream mini CPU.
 

HotBBQ

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I emphasize I have not yet upgraded my HP stream mini to W10 therefore I may not be correct. I'm waiting for another few months for the bugs to be sorted out. But I have upgraded two of my family's W7 PCs to W10 and I think it should not be difficult to do it yourself.

As I understand it, in order to get an activated W10 you need to upgrade from your existing OS first e.g. with W8.1 then you upgrade from that to W10 which leaves all the bloatware and restore partition etc still in place. But once you've done that then the installed W10 keeps a record in the PC of the hardware. You then do a clean install of W10 which wipes out all the bloatware and restore partition etc. This clean install of W10 then automatically activates.

Important to ensure you have the HP recovery media so that you can re-install back to original condition. Also use software to find the W8.1 Product ID in case you need it. Then, no need to wait for the W10 upgrade icon to appear; you go the the M$ website and download the W10 media creation tool which fits on a USB drive. You can use this both for doing the initial upgrade from W8.1 to W10 and then subsequently making a clean install of W10. For the initial upgrade I think you would first have to re-install W8.1 factory settings but don't allow W8.1 to install updates because you need free space on the 32GB to allow for the W10 upgrade files.

The media creation tool gives you a choice between 32 bit and 64 bit. For the 2 PCs where I've installed W10 I've found that the Windows folder after all updates for 32 bit W10 is about 8GB and 64 bit W10 is about 20GB. Therefore perhaps try the 32 bit W10; can only use 4GB ram and a bit slower but probably not much noticeable difference with the HP stream mini CPU.
FYI, upgrading from 8.1 to 10 on my desktop resulted in duplicate restore partitions. I had to manually remove the 8.1 restore partition.
 

kenzz

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FYI, upgrading from 8.1 to 10 on my desktop resulted in duplicate restore partitions. I had to manually remove the 8.1 restore partition.
My understanding is that the only way to get a free, activated version of W10 is to upgrade from W7 or W8.1. The upgrade installation of W10 also allows for the possibility to easily revert to the original W7 or W8.1 therefor the old OS and recovery partitions are still there. However after 30 days the old OS is automatically removed.

Alternatively, after you've got the activated W10 OS as an upgrade you can then delete all the partitions and re-install a clean W10 which will automatically activate.

I'm cautious about upgrading the HP Stream Mini at present. I upgraded an older W7 HP laptop and found that HP have not yet got all the drivers ready for W10 e.g. for the USB ports. Therefore I've reverted to the original W7 and will wait a while before doing a fresh install of W10 again.
 

itgal

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Hoping someone can help me. I have the stream mini 200-010. I cannot boot into bios. I've tried using advanced boot options but that just gives me a black screen saying no signal. What I'm trying to do is upgrade to a larger hard drive. I have already purchased a ztc 128 gb m.2 ngff ssd. I've made the recovery usb. Trying to boot the pc with the recovery usb gives me the same no signal issue. I've sent the pc back to hp who returned it to me saying they reimaged it but I still have the same problems. At this point they are sending me a recovery usb stick. My concern is if I can't boot from it or get into the bios how can upgrade the system or even fix the current 1? Also as an fyi I never see the hp splash screen on boot up, it goes straight to the login.
 

clintchammer

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What type of monitor are you using? Can you try another monitor?

No signal usually has to do with the type of display.
 

Dr_Bunsen

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I emphasize I have not yet upgraded my HP stream mini to W10 therefore I may not be correct. I'm waiting for another few months for the bugs to be sorted out. But I have upgraded two of my family's W7 PCs to W10 and I think it should not be difficult to do it yourself.

As I understand it, in order to get an activated W10 you need to upgrade from your existing OS first e.g. with W8.1 then you upgrade from that to W10 which leaves all the bloatware and restore partition etc still in place. But once you've done that then the installed W10 keeps a record in the PC of the hardware. You then do a clean install of W10 which wipes out all the bloatware and restore partition etc. This clean install of W10 then automatically activates.

Important to ensure you have the HP recovery media so that you can re-install back to original condition. Also use software to find the W8.1 Product ID in case you need it. Then, no need to wait for the W10 upgrade icon to appear; you go the the M$ website and download the W10 media creation tool which fits on a USB drive. You can use this both for doing the initial upgrade from W8.1 to W10 and then subsequently making a clean install of W10. For the initial upgrade I think you would first have to re-install W8.1 factory settings but don't allow W8.1 to install updates because you need free space on the 32GB to allow for the W10 upgrade files.

The media creation tool gives you a choice between 32 bit and 64 bit. For the 2 PCs where I've installed W10 I've found that the Windows folder after all updates for 32 bit W10 is about 8GB and 64 bit W10 is about 20GB. Therefore perhaps try the 32 bit W10; can only use 4GB ram and a bit slower but probably not much noticeable difference with the HP stream mini CPU.

Not sure how I would have done this on my HP Stream as I only had 350Mb left, so there was no space to perform the Win 10 upgrade. This was why the MS Store option was perfect for me.
 

mowcowbell

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I'm not sure why everyone is having issues with upgrading their HP Mini to Windows 10. I left the stock 32gb ssd, and ran the Windows 10 upgrade. When the installer complained about needing more temporary space, I connected a 128gb USB 3.0 flash drive and told the installer to use that for needed space. So far, I'm out $178 for the computer, $30 for a PNY 128gb USB 3.0 flash drive, and $49 for 2 x 4gb sticks of Kingston HyperX ram.

** Update ** - So much for using the USB drive as a temporary storage area for the Windows 10 installer files. Midway through the upgrade process, the system lost contact with the USB drive, and now my computer is stuck in a rolling loop with 'installing previous version of Windows'.

Luckily, there is a Microsoft Store nearby. I dropped the computer off with them, and they will run their installer from USB and install Windows 10 on the computer.
 
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kenzz

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Not sure how I would have done this on my HP Stream as I only had 350Mb left, so there was no space to perform the Win 10 upgrade. This was why the MS Store option was perfect for me.
As in my recent post, you'd have to backup everything and then do a complete factory reset from HP's recovery media. This should give you W8.1 at about 8GB before updates with about 13Gb free. Don't allow W8.1 to update but immediately do a W10 upgrade from a USB drive using the M$ media creation tool. That should give you an officially activated W10 but leaves stuff on the SSD to revert to W8.1. After you've got your activated W10 you can do a clean install of W10 - again using the USB drive.

The problem with W10 is that you cannot stop it updating automatically in future so you get all updates; both important and recommended ... don't know how long it will be before it outgrows a 32GB SSD. Personally I'm going to try the 32 bit version of W10 which is probably only about half the size of the 64 bit version ... somewhat slower but with the mini's CPU I doubt the difference will be noticeable.

I assume the Microsoft store will do a fresh install of W10 and then officially activate it. Unfortunately it appears the rest of us can only get a free activated W10 by first doing the upgrade from an existing W7 or W8.1
 

mowcowbell

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The Microsoft Store in my area was pretty clueless and was unable to get Windows restored on my HP Mini Stream. And my mistake for not taking the time to make a recovery USB.

I ended up going by the store, picking up the computer, taking it home and installing Linux Mint 17.2. Took about 30 minutes, and Kodi installed without an issue. And, a full Linux Mint install only uses about 7GB of drive space.

Probably what I should have done in the first place!
 
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VirtualLarry

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The Microsoft Store in my area was pretty clueless and was unable to get Windows restored on my HP Mini Stream. And my mistake for not taking the time to make a recovery USB.

I ended up going by the store, picking up the computer, taking it home and installing Linux Mint 17.2. Took about 30 minutes, and Kodi installed without an issue. And, a full Linux Mint install only uses about 7GB of drive space.

Probably what I should have done in the first place!

Is that what I'll have to do with an HP Stream 13.3" laptop, with Win8.1 w/Bing, that got a serious virus? I don't think that the owner ever made a recovery USB drive. I've read that there isn't really a general OEM Win8.1 w/Bing install ISO available.
 

BarkingGhostar

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There is, just not officially. The one and only time I BT'd was from a Canadian source that happen to have a factory ISO. I used it to clean install after installing a larger SSD.
 
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