Playstation 3 press conference today...

[James3shin]

those specs are "unofficial" as is that picture.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I don't know why Xbox 360 is seeming so great to everyone. There's nothing to it other than beefed up graphics and "media hub functionality" that no one will ever use. If i wanna see my digital pics, ill put them on my computer. PS3 supports Blu-ray, which has already one as the next generation of media. As higher capacity games come out, and HD movies move mainstream, Xbox will fail to be able to provide. And Nintendo's system looks so intriguing that I might have to buy one . But the funniest thing comes as that Halo3 will be released on the same day as the PS3. Now Halo can pretty much out-hype any game (with the exception of maybe SC2) and is Bill Gate's silver bullet to effectivly slay any other major title. But PS3 is a huge dinosaur. A silver bullet isn't going to stop a dinosaur...

Gates already spoke of a two console race, funny he didn't know that his was the worst, Hopefully Nintendo won't pull a dreamcast and release a great system only to have no one buy it.

/end rant (btw I own only an Xbox, it was by far the best console of last round, this round microsoft has dropped the ball)

What a steaming pile of crap your post was. You have absolutely no info on the PS3 or Revolution at the time of our posts, so you're whole babbling is pointless. How does Nintendo's next system intrigue you? Do you possibly have some inside info about it? Doubtful.

Also, I do not see how Microsoft has already dropped the ball when you have nothing to compare it to. Reserve judegment until you can gather appropriate info for each console.

God I hate to listen to people like you rant. Here's hoping to an even 3 console race 2 years from now. :beer:

 

[777php]

bah who cares. Buy all 3 they're all awesome!

 

[gshock888]

no one will ever use media hub functionality? ROFL XBMC was such a useful homebrew that i use my xbox as a media center now more than playing games!

in fact i recently bought a second modded xbox from a guy in FS/FT here on AT to get my parents the same luxury of having a media center without them ever touching a computer

 

[jpeyton]

Anyone who truly believes an XBOX 360 is capable of 1 TFlop needs to back off the Kool-Aid. Most realistic estimates put it's power around 45-50 GFlops. Sony's claimed 256 GFlops will distill down as well.

The Top500 Supercomputer List ranges from 850 GFlops to 70 TFlops. Did you really think Microsoft was going to sell consumers a Top500 Supercomputer for $299?

 

[BCYL]

Originally posted by: cmp1223
256 GFLOPS? Isn't the X360 at 1 teraflop? I thought the cell was going to do better, but its all rumor for now.

I am wondering about that myself as well... Isn't the Xbox said to be capable of 1 TFLOP? Can't believe PS3 would be that much behind at 256 GFLOP...

Any real-world numbers instead of these theoretical ones?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: BCYL

Originally posted by: cmp1223
256 GFLOPS? Isn't the X360 at 1 teraflop? I thought the cell was going to do better, but its all rumor for now.

I am wondering about that myself as well... Isn't the Xbox said to be capable of 1 TFLOP? Can't believe PS3 would be that much behind at 256 GFLOP...

Any real-world numbers instead of these theoretical ones?

Everything is theoretical at this point.

 

[cmp1223]

read the first reply on this forum: it suggest the XBOX360 will be around 45gflops: http://www.gamesarefun.com/forums/index...16.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4116

the most compelling evidence:
"Fine, you can keep on dreaming that a single Xbox 360 processor has enough computer power to make it into the Top500 (who's slowest computer does 800GFLOPs)."


I posted the whole thing here, i don't know if his logic is right though:

Um... 256GFLOPs is still considerably more powerful than anything the consumer market has seen. The Triple-Core in Xbox 360 only has 45GFLOPs. How do I get that number when MS claims a TFLOP? Note that the TFLOP comes from the processing power of the Xbox 360 as a whole. That includes all the other processors, but most importantly, the GPU. The GPU that's made directly for very specific, high-speed tasks. Bump the GFLOPs up with that. But even with that, the only possible way an Xbox 360 could achieve a TFLOP of processing power would be if the calculations were done in single-precision, unlike the double-precision that all benchmarks (including the Top500 supercomputer ranking list) measures by. Don't believe me? Fine, you can keep on dreaming that a single Xbox 360 processor has enough computer power to make it into the Top500 (who's slowest computer does 800GFLOPs).

So how did I get the 45 GFLOPs? The other computing claim Microsoft released was the 9 billion dot product operations a second. A single dot operation involves 5 instructions, 3 multiplying and 2 adding. So multiply that together and you'll get the actual amount of floating point operations that the Triple-Core can do, 45. Mind you, this is still much more powerful than most consumer hardware. For example, the PowerPC 970 in the G5 Macs come at 21.1 GFLOPs at 2.7GHz and the Pentium 4 has 15.2 GFLOPs at 3.8GHz. But 250GFLOPs is enough to sustain huge amount of computing.

But these dreams of CELL doing GPU functions? Not a chance. Even the original patents called for CELL to work in conjunction with an Graphics Synthesizer 2. This was way before the nVidia agreement (Patent was in 1999, nVidia cooperation probably was in 2002/3).

 

[Queasy]

Kotaku.com and Joystiq.com are live blogging the press conference.

From Kotaku:

Just sat down. We?re in a stage that is coated in black drapes. The biggest screen I?ve seen in my life takes up an entire wall.

Smaller screens float to the side. All of the screens are showing shifting, soft colors and sort of overlapping squares.

A sorta generic house music is blasting away and the room is slowly starting to fill.

There?s a definite buzz starting to build. Everyone?s expecting something big, I sure hope they don?t disappoint.

More later.

 

[electricJ]

Originally posted by: royaldank
Here you go:

The PS3 will ship in March, 2006 in Japan (earlier than what a lot of people thought before) and there will be 2 versions of PS3, but only the first version will be shipped next March, (at a price range of $299-399) with a read only Blue-Ray, and as mentioned a 120 GB hard disk capacity. The second version of PS3 will ship some months later, ($399-599) with a writer Blue-Ray, a 400 GB hard disk, for the main purpose of recording TV digital programs. Specs and additional info:
1 CELL running at 4 GHZ, providing 256 GFLOPS power (1 PPE, L1 cache 32 KB, L2 cache 512 KB, and 8 SPE each one having 256 KB).
There is 2 I/O (input/output) on CELL, to communicate with other parts of the console, the first I/O of the CELL has the main purpose to communicate with the unified shared (between the CELL and the GPU) XDR Ram memory (from RAMBUS) at a 50 GB/s bandwidth (4 * 64 MB = 256 MB of memory)
The second I/O is called FlexIO (flexible input/output) and this allow the CELL to communicate with the next generation NVIDIA GPU at a 76.8 GB/s bandwidth (this GPU with 190 million transistors will run at a 600 MHZ, with a 32 rendering pipelines, associated with 16 MB of Toshiba Embedded DRAM of 256 GB/s bandwidth)
The CELL will help the GPU in creating advanced physics for particle effects.
retro compatibility with PS1 (emulated by the CELL) and PS2 (emulated by the CELL)
A Hard Disk of 160 GB, Ethernet port (no modem this time), wireless, USB2 port, and a flash stick memory duo-pro support.
The controllers will not so much differ from those of PS2, with the main difference that they will be WIRELESS, and with better analog buttons and more varied vibration effects.
If the first CELL IBM produced prototypes are using 90 nanometer technology, the first SDKs containing the CELL that developers will receive after 2 months will be produced with this technology, but the CELLs that will be used on PS3 (and later SDKs) will be produced with the 65 nanometer technology, allowing sony to decrease the costs of PS3, and to tackle the problems of HEAT.
Release dates of the PS3 in USA and Europe haven?t been determined yet by $ony, but it's believed that the PS3 will ship between July and October 2006 in USA and in late 2006 in Europe.

Pics

I'm almost willing to bet that it won't be released until around September-October 2006 (which would make it almost 6 years since the release of the PS2). Who knows what could happen since Microsoft is getting such a nice lead with the 360. With their current status here in NA and Europe, I wouldn't be surprised if they majorly steal thunder from Sony since they are releasing earlier. You've got to remember, Sega did not have the status when they released the Dreamcast that Microsoft currently has.

And on a side note, with these "negotiations" about standardizing the next-gen video format between Sony and Toshiba, isn't it also possible that the Blu-Ray reader in the PS3 might not handle the format that they are working towards? Thus, Blu-Ray as we know it now could be proprietary to the PS3... who knows.... Plus, for the price point of the console, I couldn't imagine the Blu-ray functionality being all that great when other players on the market are $1k.

And no, I am not a MS fanboy. Of the current gen, I only own a PS2.

 

[lokiju]

Nothing official yet?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: blazert40
Nothing official yet?

The PS3 press conference is just starting. Should be quite a while before we hear much since they have to get past all the hyping up speeches and demonstrations.

 

[cmp1223]

just started, those pics are fake BTW, it was a modified blu-ray writer from japan.

 

[Queasy]

From Joystiq.com:

The presentation started with a little game history. ?PlayStation 2 defined digital enterainment?. PlayStation Portable, the next revolution!? The chest thumping was accompanied by thumping speakers.

First up: Kaz Hirai. ?Are you guys excited about E3?? The audience barely cheered, so he had to try again. C?mon, show us the goods, then we?ll be excited? maybe.

He does the numbers: 90 million units of hardware, 2 billion units of software. He does the backwards compatibility thing. These are the Sony strengths, so he reminds the audience that these are the goods that Microsoft can?t match.

 

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: dwell

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

....Wow :Q

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: dwell

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

....Wow :Q

holy crap, I want to hook up my MDP-130 that THAT!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: dwell

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

....Wow :Q

Sounds on par with the Xbox360 minus all the memory format slots.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Amol

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: dwell

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

....Wow :Q

holy crap, I want to hook up my MDP-130 that THAT!

....huh?

Do you mean your 2005FPW? lol

 

[toekramp]

what is the point of 2 HDMI outputs!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: toekramp
what is the point of 2 HDMI outputs!

To say "We have one more of something than the Xbox"

 

[777php]

1 to your projector, the other to your lcd/plasma?

 

[juice22]

holy crap. I'd take this over the xbox360 for the blu ray and If they manage to keep all the developers they have for ps2.

Originally posted by: dwell

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

 

[blurredvision]

Where are the damn pics? I want to see the thing already!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Where are the damn pics? I want to see the thing already!

Pictures of the event were ruined by simultaneous bukkake-ing of the console...