Plea to non-smokers everywhere

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior

Originally posted by: minendo
It is not your body so don't tell a smoker not to smoke. If he/she is smoking where they should not be, then it is ok to say something. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live your own life.

That's such a lame excuse. My body is mine so you have no right to force me to breathe in smoke just because you want to puff away. If cigarettes didn't give off smoke as they burned and if you inhaled smoke and exhaled carbon dioxide with NO smoke then no one would complain. But the fact of the matter is si that second-hand smoke can be more harmful to people aroudn than the first-hand smoke is to the one smoking in filtered cigarettes, and it's equally harmful to others in regular cigarettes.

Plus there's the fact that after I get home from a bar I have to leave my clothes outside because they smell so bad.

Fact s smoking should be banned everywhere. Once it is it will be a much happier place.

If you don't like the smoke at a bar, don't go to the bar or go somewhere that smoking isn't allowed. Don't bend others to your will.

Also, I know smoking effect the one's you love. What if you are a single person with no family that chooses to smoke in his/her own home...

Ryan

 

[Kelemvor]

Just think if you quit smoking you'd have time to Wash your greasy hair, clean your grungy clothes, take a bath, clean your fingernails, whiten up your teeth, start airing out everything you own, etc.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: minendo
It is not your body so don't tell a smoker not to smoke. If he/she is smoking where they should not be, then it is ok to say something. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live your own life.

Second hand smoke is bad for other people. Therefore if your smoking in my face, Im going to say something to you because it IS affecting me.

Again, this is not fact. The EPA report claiming this to be so is completely flawed, and ignores the fact that the majority of studies could find no connection between ETS exposure in non-smokers and disease. It was so flawed, it's been thrown out of federal court.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: minendo
It is not your body so don't tell a smoker not to smoke. If he/she is smoking where they should not be, then it is ok to say something. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live your own life.

Second hand smoke is bad for other people. Therefore if your smoking in my face, Im going to say something to you because it IS affecting me.

Again, this is not fact. The EPA report claiming this to be so is completely flawed, and ignores the fact that the majority of studies could find no connection between ETS exposure in non-smokers and disease. It was so flawed, it's been thrown out of federal court.

Prove it doesnt. Because in my book you have the burden of proof. And on top of that its just nasty. That smell is awful, and THAT affects me.

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: dman
You shouldn't smoke, it's bad for you. I just wanted to let you know, because you may not have heard.

I don't smoke, but even if I did it is none of you damn business to tell me (or any other smoker) how to live.

Actully I'm Extremely Allergic to the Tar and Nicotine,

it Is My Fooking Business if you smoke around me. If I go to the hospital because of a Dickwad like you who won't put it out you are getting my Hospital bill you Inconsiderate selfish twit.

because you choose to kill yourself we shouldn't have to be subjected to you bad habits.

 

[imported_Mike]

I always like when smokers say something like "Ask any doctor, they have never treated a person for second hand smoke"

If i say something about smoking, its not becuase I believe that a smoker will follow what I say, just my opinion.

If i may take a quote from a movie: "Stupid is as stupid does"

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: CheapArse
I always like when smokers say something like "Ask any doctor, they have never treated a person for second hand smoke"

Tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it.

Penn and Teller devoted part of an episode of their excellent show "Bullsh!t" to the "second hand smoke" hysteria. It's hilarious how they completely slaughter this myth.

See it here:

http://www.sho.com/ptbs/topics.cfm?topic=shs

 

[H34D0N]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Just think if you quit smoking you'd have time to Wash your greasy hair, clean your grungy clothes, take a bath, clean your fingernails, whiten up your teeth, start airing out everything you own, etc.

Harsh but true

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: minendo
It is not your body so don't tell a smoker not to smoke. If he/she is smoking where they should not be, then it is ok to say something. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live your own life.

Second hand smoke is bad for other people. Therefore if your smoking in my face, Im going to say something to you because it IS affecting me.

Again, this is not fact. The EPA report claiming this to be so is completely flawed, and ignores the fact that the majority of studies could find no connection between ETS exposure in non-smokers and disease. It was so flawed, it's been thrown out of federal court.

Prove it doesnt. Because in my book you have the burden of proof. And on top of that its just nasty. That smell is awful, and THAT affects me.

Not much into science, huh? How can I prove a negative? The burden is on those claiming harm. And the vast majority of reports could not find ANY link between exposure to ETS and disease. None. The EPA picked, with extreme bias, the minority of reports that claimed a link, and used them to publish their report.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: CheapArse
I always like when smokers say something like "Ask any doctor, they have never treated a person for second hand smoke"

Tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it.

Penn and Teller devoted part of an episode of their excellent show "Bullsh!t" to the "second hand smoke" hysteria. It's hilarious how they completely slaughter this myth.

See it here:

http://www.sho.com/ptbs/topics.cfm?topic=shs

requardless of whether or not it is a myth, my quote said earlier was nearly to point out how much of a jackass they sound like.

This whole thread was to flame those who 'impose' their beliefs on smokers. Id like to know what the @ssholes who smoke anywhere and blow they smoke right in your face have to say. It might not cuase my any health problems, but it smells like sh!t. How about they stop 'imposing' their sh!t smells on me. If i wanted to smell crap, I could go to a dump.

And dont talk about how their in public and can do what they want. That is all true, but just becuase you can, do you have to? Stop being retards for those of you who dont care about others.

 

minendo: As an "elite" member, you should know not to post such flamebait crap.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: minendo
It is not your body so don't tell a smoker not to smoke. If he/she is smoking where they should not be, then it is ok to say something. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live your own life.

Second hand smoke is bad for other people. Therefore if your smoking in my face, Im going to say something to you because it IS affecting me.

Again, this is not fact. The EPA report claiming this to be so is completely flawed, and ignores the fact that the majority of studies could find no connection between ETS exposure in non-smokers and disease. It was so flawed, it's been thrown out of federal court.

Prove it doesnt. Because in my book you have the burden of proof. And on top of that its just nasty. That smell is awful, and THAT affects me.

Not much into science, huh? How can I prove a negative? The burden is on those claiming harm. And the vast majority of reports could not find ANY link between exposure to ETS and disease. None. The EPA picked, with extreme bias, the minority of reports that claimed a link, and used them to publish their report.

Im not going to have a scientific debate with you, because to be honest I really don't care that much. But I will tell you that smoking still does bother me, therefore it affects me. And those buds smokers leave lying around everywhere are disguisting. So if you are smoking around me, and I want to same something I will. But if you smokers want to smoke in the privacy of your own homes/cars then be my guest. Just keep your buds in their too!

 

[Occifer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: CheapArse
I always like when smokers say something like "Ask any doctor, they have never treated a person for second hand smoke"

Tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it.

Penn and Teller devoted part of an episode of their excellent show "Bullsh!t" to the "second hand smoke" hysteria. It's hilarious how they completely slaughter this myth.

See it here:

http://www.sho.com/ptbs/topics.cfm?topic=shs

Ah, RealPlayer, no thanks.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: obiwaynekenobi

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: dman
You shouldn't smoke, it's bad for you. I just wanted to let you know, because you may not have heard.

I don't smoke, but even if I did it is none of you damn business to tell me (or any other smoker) how to live.

Actully I'm Extremely Allergic to the Tar and Nicotine,

it Is My Fooking Business if you smoke around me. If I go to the hospital because of a Dickwad like you who won't put it out you are getting my Hospital bill you Inconsiderate selfish twit.

because you choose to kill yourself we shouldn't have to be subjected to you bad habits.

Your allegies are your business and your responsibility. You cannot expect the rest of the world to conform to your allergies. There are many people just as allergic to perfume. Would you think them unreasonable if they said this:

Actully I'm Extremely Allergic to perfume,

it Is My Fooking Business if you wear perfume around me. If I go to the hospital because of a Dickwad like you who won't put it out you are getting my Hospital bill you Inconsiderate selfish twit.

This is exacly like the recent school ban on peanut butter, because parents of allergic kids wanted special treatment.

Don't expect the world to conform to your allergies. You'll be very disappointed.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: minendo
It is not your body so don't tell a smoker not to smoke. If he/she is smoking where they should not be, then it is ok to say something. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live your own life.

Second hand smoke is bad for other people. Therefore if your smoking in my face, Im going to say something to you because it IS affecting me.

Again, this is not fact. The EPA report claiming this to be so is completely flawed, and ignores the fact that the majority of studies could find no connection between ETS exposure in non-smokers and disease. It was so flawed, it's been thrown out of federal court.

Prove it doesnt. Because in my book you have the burden of proof. And on top of that its just nasty. That smell is awful, and THAT affects me.

Not much into science, huh? How can I prove a negative? The burden is on those claiming harm. And the vast majority of reports could not find ANY link between exposure to ETS and disease. None. The EPA picked, with extreme bias, the minority of reports that claimed a link, and used them to publish their report.

Im not going to have a scientific debate with you, because to be honest I really don't care that much. But I will tell you that smoking still does bother me, therefore it affects me. And those buds smokers leave lying around everywhere are disguisting. So if you are smoking around me, and I want to same something I will. But if you smokers want to smoke in the privacy of your own homes/cars then be my guest. Just keep your buds in their too!

:::sigh:::

I'm a non-smoker. I actually hate the smell. I suppose if we were talking about gays, you'd assume I was homsexual, huh?

Litering is a seperate issue.

Many things bother me. But I do NOT have a right to be free of annoyance in my daily life.

 

[GroundZero]

just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: SammySon
minendo: As an "elite" member, you should know not to post such flamebait crap.

If telling people to mind their own business strips me of my title, then so be it.

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

People have Pleasures.
he likes to smoke, It has it side effect
Besides the Cancer and other various health problem it causes. It goes everywhere It smells up my clothes and hair, It gives me headaches and makes it hard for me to breath. And it makes me Sick.

all of this done without my constent

I like other people; to have a pleasure of my own.
I like Mountain Dew.

But Just tell me How would you Feel If I pissed on your head without your consent?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: GroundZero
just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

With your post you have proven what an idiot you are. So no need argue about that. But what you seem to miss is the fact that if you smoke around me you are affecting me. Thus when I worry about myself, your smoking around me comes into my thoughts. I don't care if you smoke in your own home/car but when you blow your smoke in my face it bothers me. So if I want to say something I will. Smoking should be banned in ALL public places. With maybe a few exceptions here and there.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: GroundZero
just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

With your post you have proven what an idiot you are. So no need argue about that. But what you seem to miss is the fact that if you smoke around me you are affecting me. Thus when I worry about myself, your smoking around me comes into my thoughts. I don't care if you smoke in your own home/car but when you blow your smoke in my face it bothers me. So if I want to say something I will. Smoking should be banned in ALL public places. With maybe a few exceptions here and there.

How many other things bother you that you want banned?

Is simple annoyance enough to pass bans now?

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: Amused


Many things bother me. But I do NOT have a right to be free of annoyance in my daily life.

That's the core of the issue right there. Legislating annoyance out of everyday life is neither feasible nor ethical when you take into consideration the freedoms of other people that would have to be suspended to appease your cause.

 

[Atlantean]

Shut the hell up you stupid smoker, don't tell me not to bug you about smoking if you are smoking near me its my business. Don't whine about smoking and we won't tell you to stop, and don't light up near us. Smoking is bad for you and its a waste of money, and my tax dollars go to helping some smoker with lung cancer, so I deserve to be allowed to tell you not to smoke.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: GroundZero
just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

With your post you have proven what an idiot you are. So no need argue about that. But what you seem to miss is the fact that if you smoke around me you are affecting me. Thus when I worry about myself, your smoking around me comes into my thoughts. I don't care if you smoke in your own home/car but when you blow your smoke in my face it bothers me. So if I want to say something I will. Smoking should be banned in ALL public places. With maybe a few exceptions here and there.

How many other things bother you that you want banned?

Is simple annoyance enough to pass bans now?

Would you mind if I crapped on your lawn? Or how bout if I pee'd on your dog? Maybe if I paid some big fat nasty naked guy a few bucks to round circles around you? Sure its not HURTING you, but its still an annoyance. One that shouldn't be allowed. And on top of all that we still don't know that second hand smoke doesn't hurt anyone. Until you prove that it doesnt, then I will maintain that it does. Afterall we used to know the world was flat, until it was proved to be round. So from now on prove the world isn't round, and Ill believe its flat. Until then, the burden of proof is still on you.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: LadyJessica
You're right. Smokers should keep smoking since they:

1) die earlier so we save on medical costs and
2) pay a lot of taxes on cigarettes.

So keep on smoking people.

actually we're paying for their stupid habit because our health insurance premiums are higher in order to take care of all the people with lung cancer and emphysema. i see it all the time in the hospital and it's saddening and disgusting at the same time.

 

[GroundZero]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: GroundZero
just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

With your post you have proven what an idiot you are. So no need argue about that. But what you seem to miss is the fact that if you smoke around me you are affecting me. Thus when I worry about myself, your smoking around me comes into my thoughts. I don't care if you smoke in your own home/car but when you blow your smoke in my face it bothers me. So if I want to say something I will. Smoking should be banned in ALL public places. With maybe a few exceptions here and there.

if i blow smoke in your face, you can bet it is the prelude to me kicking the living shlt out of you because you bother me.
as for banning smoking in public, remember i own the public space too. how about we make a few places here and there in public smoke-free instead?