Plea to non-smokers everywhere

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: SammySon

Again, try using logic here.

Tell me, are you aware that car and especially diesel exhaust is many, many times more carcinogenic than tobacco smoke? Are you aware that valid, irrefutable links HAVE been made between diesel exhaust fumes and cancer?

Why aren't you here protesting trucks and cars? Because that's a risk you don't much care about. You've fallen for the anti-smoking hysteria and are running with it blindly

What shocks me is that we learned NOTHING from the breast implant hysteria

That is what I call "nail on head".

I will prove my posting doesn't cause you cancer. I will sit here and post for many days, and you will be forced to read it. Upon completition of the test if you do not have cancer, then I have proven that my posting will not cause you cancer.

When you get out of high school, and you take some REAL logic and/or humor/drama classes, you may understand how this is a completely impossible implication.

Agreed. I thought I made it outlandish enough that everyone could tell

Sorry, from the rampart idiocy on this forum, the line between sarcasm and reality are very blurred, if not non-existant at this point.

You may be right. You can't prove a negative. Something that was just made apparent to me today. However it doesn't mean that second hand smoke doesn't cause harmful side affects either. We simply do not know. But we do know that second hand smoke is annoying. Now Im not out protesting car fumes because they don't sit next to me on a park bench. But smokers do. I do agree though that owners of private establishments should be able to make their own laws regarding their establishment.

Cuda, there are many well funded and fanatical anti-smoking groups out there. Hundreds of studies have been done. A small, flawed minority of those studies claimed to show a connection between ETS and disease. The vast majority have not been able to make a connection. The evidence is more than in.

To say "we don't know" is bullsh!t.

Car fumes pervade a city. You cannot go anywhere in a city without being exposed to them. Car fumes are so carcinogenic, they can cause disease even when the person is not offended by the smell. Yet we accept this risk.

Thankfully, you have come to understand the importance of private property. That's a good start. Now if we could just get you to stop throwing a fit every time you smell something you don't like...

Im not throwing a fit, Im simply saying it should be banned. Sort of like me pissing on you in public is banned. You should not be allowed to "smoke on me" in a public park/restaraunt/whatever.

 

You may be right. You can't prove a negative. Something that was just made apparent to me today. However it doesn't mean that second hand smoke doesn't cause harmful side affects either. We simply do not know. But we do know that second hand smoke is annoying. Now Im not out protesting car fumes because they don't sit next to me on a park bench. But smokers do. I do agree though that owners of private establishments should be able to make their own laws regarding their establishment.

Car fumes stand as a much greater threat than second-hand smoke EVER will.
In the end, your last sentence there says that you support smoking in establishments, so either you arn't reading what you wrote, or, not thinking before you wrote it, or, too uneducated to understand, or, too hypocritical to care.

So many of you defend civil liberty eroding legislation at this point in your lives.
When you move outta your parents house, and into the real world, usually many things change.

Im not throwing a fit, Im simply saying it should be banned. Sort of like me pissing on you in public is banned. You should not be allowed to "smoke on me" in a public park/restaraunt/whatever

I almost laughed so hard, I could not retort to this one.
Comon, PISSING on someone, and smoking are two incomparable things.
Let's just create a list of things we think should be banned.
Oh, wait, thousands of established groups have already done this.
I think one even wanted to ban sex in any position but missionary.
Comon kid, civil liberties are greater than anything, unless you like living in a govt. controlled society.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: SammySon

You may be right. You can't prove a negative. Something that was just made apparent to me today. However it doesn't mean that second hand smoke doesn't cause harmful side affects either. We simply do not know. But we do know that second hand smoke is annoying. Now Im not out protesting car fumes because they don't sit next to me on a park bench. But smokers do. I do agree though that owners of private establishments should be able to make their own laws regarding their establishment.

Car fumes stand as a much greater threat than second-hand smoke EVER will.
In the end, your last sentence there says that you support smoking in establishments, so either you arn't reading what you wrote, or, not thinking before you wrote it, or, too uneducated to understand, or, too hypocritical to care.

So many of you defend civil liberty eroding legislation at this point in your lives.
When you move outta your parents house, and into the real world, usually many things change.

Well Im done arguing. Im having to much fun watching Red vs. Blue videos Basically what I think is that in public establishments, aka parks, police buildings etc... Smoking should be banned. But in private establishments then smoke away if you want.

 

Well Im done arguing. Im having to much fun watching Red vs. Blue videos Basically what I think is that in public establishments, aka parks, police buildings etc... Smoking should be banned. But in private establishments then smoke away if you want.

In many places it IS banned. So lets work on enforcement right? I mean, we can hire a few hundred more policeman to enforce the ban right? With all this extra municipal money we have lying around, it should be a cake walk!

There was never a point where you were IN the "argument". There really isn't much of an arguement, and nor are you capable of contributing anything but your idealistic opinion.

 

[Ranger X]

As long as I don't 2nd hand smoke the trash, I could care less.

As mentioned previously, I too encourage smokers to keep smoking. Hell, this world is already over-populated and I'd like to call smoking 'population control'. My hopes is that when smokers die, they could donate their good organs to those in need (guess that leaves the lungs out of this).

 

[DrPizza]

Feel free to blow smoke in my face... I'm carrying a napalm squirt gun

 

[GroundZero]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: GroundZero

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: GroundZero
just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

With your post you have proven what an idiot you are. So no need argue about that. But what you seem to miss is the fact that if you smoke around me you are affecting me. Thus when I worry about myself, your smoking around me comes into my thoughts. I don't care if you smoke in your own home/car but when you blow your smoke in my face it bothers me. So if I want to say something I will. Smoking should be banned in ALL public places. With maybe a few exceptions here and there.

if i blow smoke in your face, you can bet it is the prelude to me kicking the living shlt out of you because you bother me.
as for banning smoking in public, remember i own the public space too. how about we make a few places here and there in public smoke-free instead?

You've just shown what an idiot you are by threatening me on an internet forum. Ok now you've got me scared, so I suppose I better back off eh? Ya, well the problem with making smoke free areas in all public places is that a restaurant for instance will just say "Hey ya this is smoke free" but across the aisle there are smokers blowing smoke toward your table. If it worked, then it would be legit. The problem is it doesn't work.

i never threatened you on the forum.
i said that if i did blow smoke in your face, not that i would. i am a curtious person in regaurds to other peoples rights.
but i am also getting really tired of other people trying to place rules and regulations upon me and my freedoms because of something i do that they disaprove of or something that bothers them. and a restaurant is not a "public" place, it is a privately owned place. the owner should place the rules he wants on his own establishment. my friend owns a bar that was a non-smoking bar before any of the laws were even thought of. the piblic places i am referring to are places like parks, the streets, open air places, that are publicly owned. do i get pissed that i have to go to the smoking area outside at safeco park? no. but in the same instance i do get pissed when some pinhead complains at safeco because of the smoke outside by the smoking area. if you don't want to be by smokers there don't go stand next to the smoking area. if i am sitting at the beach on alki smoking and you don't want to be around my smoke, don't sit next to me.
what i am basicaly trying to say is that just about anything can anoy or bother anyone, but if you worried about yourself and your actions first instead of worrying about what i might or might not do that may or may not affect you, then we wouldn't have all of this over regulation of our freedoms and rights. there is always going to be bad things in the environment and i know this. so please don't tell me some crap i already know and choose to live, or die, with.

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

Originally posted by: SammySon

Read my Sig.

You and all of the other smokers. Follow the same suite.
of course in your case the stick would be a ciggertte stick.


ooh Lets Classify non smokers now. I an equally think of tons of thinks that smokers do on a daily basis
You said it yourself

"Life's a big ole bitch, isn't it?"

And I would never willingly Subject myself to second hand smoke by sitting next to someone who is smoking.

And if it creates you Stress it's because you allow it to! If you hate it that much Then leave! NO one will miss you!

First off, I don't smoke. So, jump to MORE conclusions based upon implications!
Second, use better english to communicate, you give away your frusturation with your insanly poor grammar and poorly thought out retorts.
Third, if you hate smoke that much, than leave! No one will miss a square like you!

Actully no, I have poor grammar and English Skills Because I Went to public schools.

I am not Frustrated I laughed my butt off as I wrote that post, I think it's amusing to see people bickering over something that is cleary a personal choice. I Myself am EXTREMELY allerigic to Nicotine and Tar in Ciggerttes. I have every Right to bitch. If I am there first and they show up I ask them to put it out and move and I tell them why. Most smokers around here are kind enough to dot hat.
Why should I let Someone elses bad habits will kill me. I don't surroung myself with smokers and those I do know respect me enough to either move so it's not blowing in my face or they walk off to smoke. If someone intentionally Blows smoke in my face AFTER I tell them it's criminal Mischief and I call the police. and I have done int he past. Granted they got a Handslap but the effect was there. I made my point through legal means. Does this make me a non-descript public a$$hole? Probably.. Do I care? not really... If smokers want to kill themsleves Fine, Let them but they don't have the right to violate me with it.

And I won't leave because your Amusing me.

I may be squae, but I'm happy with who I am. So Thanks for the compliment.

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

Originally posted by: SammySon

Well Im done arguing. Im having to much fun watching Red vs. Blue videos Basically what I think is that in public establishments, aka parks, police buildings etc... Smoking should be banned. But in private establishments then smoke away if you want.

In many places it IS banned. So lets work on enforcement right? I mean, we can hire a few hundred more policeman to enforce the ban right? With all this extra municipal money we have lying around, it should be a cake walk!

There was never a point where you were IN the "argument". There really isn't much of an arguement, and nor are you capable of contributing anything but your idealistic opinion.

In Utah the law is as follow.
smokers Must be 25 from any enternce to a public building.
You are not allowed to smoke in Any public building.
Privately own Establishments can Tell you wither or not you can smoke at all on the premises. (even the parking lot)
Throwing your ciggetters on the ground is littering and has a fine of a couple of hundred dollars.

Smokers do not have the right to violate anyone else with it. If you smoke and you are asked to move (providered non smokers were there first) you either must put it out or move.
Someone tried to enforce this last one without medical CAuse andt he case was thrown out of Court. People who have medical Cause Such as myself, have more Pull over this law.


And you really are in this for the flames and arugment. Say something that isn't a bash on someones charcter.

 

[BennyD]

Originally posted by: minendo
It is not your body so don't tell a smoker not to smoke. If he/she is smoking where they should not be, then it is ok to say something. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live your own life.

smoke near me and i'll punch you in the face

 

Actully no, I have poor grammar and English Skills Because I Went to public schools.

I am not Frustrated I laughed my butt off as I wrote that post, I think it's amusing to see people bickering over something that is cleary a personal choice. I Myself am EXTREMELY allerigic to Nicotine and Tar in Ciggerttes. I have every Right to bitch. If I am there first and they show up I ask them to put it out and move and I tell them why. Most smokers around here are kind enough to dot hat.
Why should I let Someone elses bad habits will kill me. I don't surroung myself with smokers and those I do know respect me enough to either move so it's not blowing in my face or they walk off to smoke. If someone intentionally Blows smoke in my face AFTER I tell them it's criminal Mischief and I call the police. and I have done int he past. Granted they got a Handslap but the effect was there. I made my point through legal means. Does this make me a non-descript public a$$hole? Probably.. Do I care? not really... If smokers want to kill themsleves Fine, Let them but they don't have the right to violate me with it.

And I won't leave because your Amusing me.

I may be squae, but I'm happy with who I am. So Thanks for the compliment.

Everyone has their bad habits, even angelic little you.
I find it amazing how you claim to be "allerigic to Nicotine and Tar in Ciggerttes", but probably couldnt divulge any more information than your typical grade school health book. Usually thoes who are most afflicted, are the most educated.
I guess times'a'changin' eh?

It's YOUR responsibility to look out for your health kid, not the govts and not everyone elses.
YOU are the person who has a problem, YOU are the person who needs to take measures to help yourself.
*I* should not be expected to change *MY* lifestyle because *YOU* have an issue with it.
Your lifestyle is the one that needs to be changed to meet the needs of society. Otherwise, you're just being a self-centered, irresponsible child.

Also, please look up the word "nondescript", it means the exact opposite of what you meant it to, and its not hyphenated. I'm doubting you are done with your public schooling, by far.

I'm allergic to chlorine, so, all establishments that serve water, or have a pool, should change their methods to better suit me. That is the basis for anti-smoking arguments.
Apply that ideal to ANYTHING in the world today, and it would be banned.

 

[speed01]

Originally posted by: bobcpg

They should make cages for smokers so that the smoke does not linger away from them and by a non-smoker!

By that logic, maybe they (whoever they are) should make cages for non-smokers so that the smoke doesn't get near them....

Speed

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Millennium
Lot of morons in this thread.

Atleast we don't believe in ruining someones life for petty vengence.

Where did I ruin someone's life? Moron.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Millennium
Lot of morons in this thread.

Atleast we don't believe in ruining someones life for petty vengence.

Where did I ruin someone's life? Moron.

The cop thread, moron.

 

[pennylane]

It's been my experience that one should never give advice unless it's asked for.. whether it be "you should quit smoking" or whatever.
Do I wish people didn't smoke? Of course. But unless the situation dictates I can say something or I should say something... then I don't. I just expect their courtesy not to smoke in my house/where it says no smoking/etc...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Millennium
Lot of morons in this thread.

Atleast we don't believe in ruining someones life for petty vengence.

Where did I ruin someone's life? Moron.

The cop thread, moron.

How did I ruin a life moron?

 

[Thoreau]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: GroundZero
just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

With your post you have proven what an idiot you are. So no need argue about that. But what you seem to miss is the fact that if you smoke around me you are affecting me. Thus when I worry about myself, your smoking around me comes into my thoughts. I don't care if you smoke in your own home/car but when you blow your smoke in my face it bothers me. So if I want to say something I will. Smoking should be banned in ALL public places. With maybe a few exceptions here and there.

I guess that means we should also ban automotive exhaust, any industry which creates any level of pollution, and hell, lets get rid of the airline industry since they, much like my cigarette, also spew out exhaust (ie smoke)

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Busie23
I will tell them whatever I want. If they can smoke and I smell it then they can hear whatever I have to say about it.

Stop smoking it is killing all of us........

Stop driving your car, using your ac, buying products in containers that aren't biodegradable, etc. It's killing us all.... Moron.

I love the non-smokers argument. It's hypocricy at it's best nine times out of ten. Kind of the same thing as the fat pig who goes to McDonalds and orders a super sized value meal and gets a diet bucket of coke with it. Makes complete sense.

 

[Thoreau]

Originally posted by: GroundZero

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: GroundZero
just because of the jackasses saying stupid shlt about it's bad for me to smoke, like I am not smart enough to know that it is going to be bad to light anything and inhale the smoke, I'm going to go have a SMOKE BREAK!

and to you fatass non-smoking couch potato bastads, don't eat the oreos or go to mcdonalds. they are bad for you and should be banned...

people need to worry more about themselves and their own actions, than me and my actions.

With your post you have proven what an idiot you are. So no need argue about that. But what you seem to miss is the fact that if you smoke around me you are affecting me. Thus when I worry about myself, your smoking around me comes into my thoughts. I don't care if you smoke in your own home/car but when you blow your smoke in my face it bothers me. So if I want to say something I will. Smoking should be banned in ALL public places. With maybe a few exceptions here and there.

if i blow smoke in your face, you can bet it is the prelude to me kicking the living shlt out of you because you bother me.
as for banning smoking in public, remember i own the public space too. how about we make a few places here and there in public smoke-free instead?

That soooooo gets my vote!

 

[TallBill]

I dont give a crap who smokes or why they smoke. I know a a few people, mostly family, that smoke. I think that its a nasty habit, and dont enjoy hanging around with them.

I would never date a smoker. Either way, arguing about this subject is stupid.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Busie23
I will tell them whatever I want. If they can smoke and I smell it then they can hear whatever I have to say about it.

Stop smoking it is killing all of us........

Stop driving your car, using your ac, buying products in containers that aren't biodegradable, etc. It's killing us all.... Moron.

I love the non-smokers argument. It's hypocricy at it's best nine times out of ten. Kind of the same thing as the fat pig who goes to McDonalds and orders a super sized value meal and gets a diet bucket of coke with it. Makes complete sense.

Boy some people really are stupid. Those things (driving, etc.) are a necessity to survive in this world. If you live in a place where public transportation is not too good and your work place is too far, you really have no choice. Smoking is NOT necessary. I'll repeat. It is NOT necessary. If you can not understand that, then there's no hope for you.

 

[xirtam]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Busie23
I will tell them whatever I want. If they can smoke and I smell it then they can hear whatever I have to say about it.

Stop smoking it is killing all of us........

Stop driving your car, using your ac, buying products in containers that aren't biodegradable, etc. It's killing us all.... Moron.

I love the non-smokers argument. It's hypocricy at it's best nine times out of ten. Kind of the same thing as the fat pig who goes to McDonalds and orders a super sized value meal and gets a diet bucket of coke with it. Makes complete sense.

Some people actually prefer the diet drinks. Dunno why. Not necessarily hypocritical.

Halp! OMG Halp! I'm being oppressed by the smoke!

Then leave. Ain't that big of a deal. Just don't join the volunteer fire department.

Now if it's my house or my car or whatever, I have a right to tell you not to smoke in it I suppose if that's what I'm into. But this is not my world. I have to share it with other people, as much as I might dislike that fact.

In conclusion, although this thread is interesting, humorous, and fun to post in, it ultimately sucks.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Hunters are allowed to shoot sick rabbits, so I think we should be allowed to kill smokers too. After all those are sick bastards too.

Would be quite fun to do

 

[nullshark]

This sort of thing is just why I stopped going camping. I was always in a campsite next to someone who wouldn't move their camp fire when I asked them to. I'd just hate it! Getting back home from the camping trip and all my clothes smelled like campfire and I'd been choking and coughing from the smoke all weekend. Man, I hate that smell! It's probably bad for my health, too... Though no one's proven it, yet. Well, I'm just going to believe that it's bad for my health but I'm not going to get any proof on it, I'm just going to run on assumptions. Hell, the next time someone lights up a campfire and the smoke blows into my campsite, I'm just gonna carry a bucket of water over there and douse their fire!

All campfire-users should be shot!

 

[artsyisjulz]

"if god had intended me to smoke, he would have set me on fire" that's my views on the issue, but if others do it, then it's their life and their money.