Please compare LGA 2011 to LGA 1155

[Goresplattered]

as they say in the racing world you gotta pay to play

expensive =/= inferior


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[ElFenix]

get the wife a $300 sandy celeron or ib pentium based system and be happy?

 

[AdamK47]

Trot out your specs and we'll match it to some Z77 systems to see who would win that bet.

While you're at it, trot out how much your system cost and we'll compare that as well.

*edit* Saw your sig. Well, with 3 HD7970s, I wouldn't be surprised if it performed better than Z77 systems in games.

*edit 2* Almost $2500 at today's rates for just the CPU, MoBo, RAM, and GPU according to PCPartPicker and the cheapest versions of everything that I could find:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($1021.88 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P9X79 DELUXE ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($359.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Diamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($331.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Diamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($331.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Diamond Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($331.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2492.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Yep

 

[aaksheytalwar]

3770k isn't a worth it upgrade unless you have money to burn or are doing it for a passion upgrade.

3820 is a side grade and I wouldn't even consider it.

It is between the 3770k and 3930k.

For gaming, don't expect much of a gain with either, if at all.

Either of the two can be considered for a passion upgrade if money isn't an object.

Either way, you will need to upgrade to Haswell anyway, because that will be a real upgrade.

 

[kleinkinstein]

Funny how most, no all, but most forget what a tick and tock is. Tocks are upgrades, ticks are sidegrades! Next tock is Haswell. Wait or waste your money, I don't care.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

3770k isn't a worth it upgrade unless you have money to burn or are doing it for a passion upgrade.

3820 is a side grade and I wouldn't even consider it.

It is between the 3770k and 3930k.

For gaming, don't expect much of a gain with either, if at all.

Either of the two can be considered for a passion upgrade if money isn't an object.

Either way, you will need to upgrade to Haswell anyway, because that will be a real upgrade.

in what way is the 3820 a side grade but the 3770K not?

Funny how most, no all, but most forget what a tick and tock is. Tocks are upgrades, ticks are sidegrades! Next tock is Haswell. Wait or waste your money, I don't care.

um, no, Tocks are new microarchitecture, Ticks are die shrinks, and there's no way we have enough history to say something like that

For instance, Core 2 (Conroe, the first Tock) looked all the better because it came on the heels of Netburst (which we should never forget, not exactly an "upgrade" or "sidegrade" when that garbage first debuted), while with the Tick of that generation (Penryn, the first Tick) was limited by chipsets and being able to feed enough FSB to get high enough clocks

That leads us to Nehalem, which was another impressive Tock, however its focus was on improving CPU performance and also "fixed" the overclocking issue making 4+GHz overclocks far more common

Then this is where things get tricky - Intel didn't exactly release a Tick for this generation without forcing people to downgrade to a dualcore on s1156 or upgrade to a very expensive 6 core on s1366

The result of that "Tick" made the Sandybridge Tock look all the better as it enjoyed both the new microarchitecture changes as well as all the advantage of being the first 32nm quad for the desktop (meaning much higher clockrates)

That brings us to Ivy, which brought us our best chance yet of seeing the strongest Tick from intel since Penryn (which isn't exactly saying much as that was only 2 cycles ago), and it really has been the best Tick yet for all who aren't enthusiasts, this one being marred yet again by another fumble related to overclocking

 

[silveryhat]

Lot of helpful technical advice you guys give here I hope to add in a few super simple notes just for fun.



The 2011 Families
2011-socket cpus belong to the high-end business class category. They are designed for crazy enthusiasts or professional workstation use.

In the LGA-2011 you will find two different families : the regular "mainstream" extreme Core i7 processors (3960x, 3930k, 3820,etc..) and server-class Xeon processors.

All processors in this bracket are less prone to common issues found in the typical 1155-socket cpus such as random app crashes or BSOD. They also give you the luxury of quad-channel memory which is almost more than double what 1155 has to offer.

Now what makes Xeon processors superior to the typical LGA-2011 Core i7 is the ability to run ECC memory for a more stable environment. They are also known as the premium chipset that perform a lot better under stress conditions, they have larger L3 cache, consumes less power and generates less heat. This is very ideal for a 24/7 continuous usage scenario.

The Xeon Children
When it comes to just 2011-socket, you will meet two type of Xeon processors: the i5 Sandy Bridge-E (i5 E-16xx) and Sandy Bridge-EP (i5 E-24xx and i5 E-4xxx). The main difference between these two girls are the amount and type of sticks (memory!) they can handle, as well as the ability to hold a duo or quad instead of a single cpu party.

 

[red454]

Good input, everyone, thanks.

My original plan was to go with an X79 platform (last year), but most of the hardware was not out yet when I was building my system last November. Plus, I like to see how stuff works in the field before I jump into it - and the X79 has proven (from what I can see) to be solid. So I decided to go with the Z68, and the system I built is just fine for what I do and I didn't have any plans on an upgrade for a long time. Video card, yes, but all my other hardware is fine for what I do. When the X79 hardware was readily available, I have to say that I never felt like I missed out or jumped too soon. The Z68 with an SSD in SRT mode (cache disk) was plenty fast.

Regardless, since I have a chance for an upgrade (ok, side grade) I have been looking at high end ASUS ROG boards - the Maximus (Z77) and Rampage (X79) boards (Formula and Extreme). So right now the breakdown is:

Z77
Maximus Formula with 3770K is $608
Rampage Formula with 3820 is $650

X79
Maximus Extreme with 3770K is $908
Rampage Extreme with 3820 is $917

As you can see, there is not much cost difference. Both platforms are more than adequate for me. Seems like the Z77 is favored for gaming. I can get Blue Tooth, wireless and thunderbolt on the high end Z77 board. Neat stuff to have, but I admit that I probably won't really make much use of them. The Ivy heat issue - not a concern for me as a light overclock is ok for me. No need to push the limits.

The X79 gives me the "future proof" factor. Quad channel memory, although (again, for what I do) I probably wouldn't notice it. Some say don't bother if you aren't going with the 3930K cpu. But I can opt for that later. And tons of memory for a RAM disk. The Ivy Bridge E for the 2011 socket. 40 PCI lanes. More than two video cards for me is not likely, and one of the recommended 7870's would be fine. But the X79 does offer more horsepower in the future, if you need it. Or want it.

But I have to wonder about what capabilities will the next chipset have? Yet another platform / socket upgrade path? Will it make the X79 old news?

My guess is that with a nice video card (7870) the Z77 will be good for gaming (and everything else I do) over the next 3 or 4 years. Who knows what the hardware advances will be then.

I feel like a politician - waffling back and forth...

(Side note: I like the ROG boards because I like all the tweaking and monitoring software. I am a bells and whistles person. Considering the Sabertooth boards too.)

 

[Iron Wolf]

All Asus boards come with the monitoring and tweaking software. It doesn't sound like you really need all of the features of the ROG boards, so they are probably not worth the expense.

Just get a P8Z77-v. For gaming, it is not worth the extra $100 to get a 3770 over a 3570. For the vid card, stick with NV and get a GTX 660Ti or 670. Put any extra money into getting an SSD, preferably a 256GB Samsung 830 or Crucial M4 (seriously, SSD = life-changing experience and the biggest computer upgrade you can make).

The system will play any games on high settings for years, and you will be happy with it. And you won't have broken the bank for crap you don't need.

 

[Smartazz]

All Asus boards come with the monitoring and tweaking software. It doesn't sound like you really need all of the features of the ROG boards, so they are probably not worth the expense.

Just get a P8Z77-v. For gaming, it is not worth the extra $100 to get a 3770 over a 3570. For the vid card, stick with NV and get a GTX 660Ti or 670. Put any extra money into getting an SSD, preferably a 256GB Samsung 830 or Crucial M4 (seriously, SSD = life-changing experience and the biggest computer upgrade you can make).

The system will play any games on high settings for years, and you will be happy with it. And you won't have broken the bank for crap you don't need.

I agree with the 3570K if the system is mainly for gaming. However, why stick with Nvidia given the great prices on the 7850, 7870 and 7950?

 

[nxttruong]

Yeah, the 3570k is ok if the system is mainly for gaming.

 

[samboy]

I was tempted with the 2011 platform until I read that it uses ~100 watts more power; which equates to an additional $80 per year in power costs if you leave the system on 24/7 (which I do); in addition to the larger up front cost.

It just seemed to me that the 1155 had more modern chip sets available with better power saving features and the 2011 didn't get as much attention from Intel and was rushed out or something.

That said, if you can take advantage of 6 cores or 64GB memory then it is the only game in town and the extra power is not a huge issue.

 

[red454]

I was tempted with the 2011 platform until I read that it uses ~100 watts more power; which equates to an additional $80 per year in power costs if you leave the system on 24/7 (which I do); in addition to the larger up front cost.

It just seemed to me that the 1155 had more modern chip sets available with better power saving features and the 2011 didn't get as much attention from Intel and was rushed out or something.

That said, if you can take advantage of 6 cores or 64GB memory then it is the only game in town and the extra power is not a huge issue.

I felt the same way. The 1155 seems more refined, and the 2011 was more like "hey, we met the deadline - we'll clean it up later..." And while most of my intention is gaming, but my Solidworks use would certainly like 6 cores...