Please don't watch "V for Vendetta"

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: torpid
He tortured natalie portman. Did you miss that scene??

This movie was tripe. Thought provoking? Maybe if you are 12 years old and know nothing about politics. The only thought it provoked in me was whether or not to walk out of the theater and how best to warn people against this garbage.

The wachowski brothers are not subtle enough to deliver a parable about modern politics. And whoever directed this movie (John McTiernan?) is not good at action scenes. All the scenes had that jittery fast-cutting camera effect that totally ruins the action.

So, really stupid and insulting plot, bad action, not even remotely thought-provoking unless you consider being beat over the head with obvious analogies thought-provoking.

If you want to see a thought provoking movie about politics, see Good Night and Good Luck or Syriana. Or even The Constant Gardener. Steer well clear of this filth unless you are totally desperate for dark scenery and jilted action.

[Edit] And no, I don't think people should see this movie to make up their own mind. This is not irreversible, do the right thing, or anything of that calibur. It's a bad movie, plain and simple.

LMFAO, I love your comparisons... movies based for a political view vs. a movie based on a comic book novel.

 

[Netopia]

Originally posted by: Nick5324
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To be honest, I didn't find the "we are showing you the future of Bush" as extreme as the conversation around this movie would have you believe. There were some cheap shots, such as the black bags and the gov't listening in on people's private conversations. The black bags make you think prisoner abuse at Guantanamo, which was a serious, sad incident, but hardly supported by our President and definitely not "typical" behavior (as it is in the movie). The gov't listening in on conversations was heavily exaggerated for the movie; gov't agents sitting in a truck spying on people in their homes does equal listening to international calls coming from suspected terrorists. Overall though, I felt there were parallels between the movie's gov't and Nazi Germany, not to the current gov't in the U.S.

I think there was more than that. Alluding to the Religious Right taking over via govenment points to how many feel about Bush. The emphasis that they made sure the bad guy had on how he was protecting society and that they had to give up some freedoms. There were others that I can't think of at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that the BRO's were pretty specifically meaning to point at Bush. Even the original writers of the story backed away from the way the BRO's wanted to portray it.

Not that I agree with the movie mind you, but that's what I think they were trying to portray.

Joe

 

[ttown]

Originally posted by: Ichinisan
Actually, most people that I know have no idea how easily manipulated they are. My friend was with me watching the movie and he thought it was "great." I still haven't talked to him about it because I don't want him to get defensive or feel insulted.

I enjoy a movie that attempts to manipulate me -- as opposed to the usual mindless, plotless junk that movies usually end up being.
Chances of me renting this movie before your post: 5%
Chances of me renting this movie after your post: 90%

Do you work for the movie industry? If so, congrats for manipulating me into seeing this movie.

 

[Smartazz]

I think I'm actually going to watch it tonight, and someone else said it's just a movie, I get ur point though, but too bad you're not going to stop these people from seeing this movie.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: torpid
He tortured natalie portman. Did you miss that scene??

This movie was tripe. Thought provoking? Maybe if you are 12 years old and know nothing about politics. The only thought it provoked in me was whether or not to walk out of the theater and how best to warn people against this garbage.

The wachowski brothers are not subtle enough to deliver a parable about modern politics. And whoever directed this movie (John McTiernan?) is not good at action scenes. All the scenes had that jittery fast-cutting camera effect that totally ruins the action.

So, really stupid and insulting plot, bad action, not even remotely thought-provoking unless you consider being beat over the head with obvious analogies thought-provoking.

If you want to see a thought provoking movie about politics, see Good Night and Good Luck or Syriana. Or even The Constant Gardener. Steer well clear of this filth unless you are totally desperate for dark scenery and jilted action.

[Edit] And no, I don't think people should see this movie to make up their own mind. This is not irreversible, do the right thing, or anything of that calibur. It's a bad movie, plain and simple.

You are certainly entitled to that opinion, and thanks for presenting it. Others, of course, will have a different view.

 

[Nick5324]

Originally posted by: Netopia

Originally posted by: Nick5324
...

To be honest, I didn't find the "we are showing you the future of Bush" as extreme as the conversation around this movie would have you believe. There were some cheap shots, such as the black bags and the gov't listening in on people's private conversations. The black bags make you think prisoner abuse at Guantanamo, which was a serious, sad incident, but hardly supported by our President and definitely not "typical" behavior (as it is in the movie). The gov't listening in on conversations was heavily exaggerated for the movie; gov't agents sitting in a truck spying on people in their homes does equal listening to international calls coming from suspected terrorists. Overall though, I felt there were parallels between the movie's gov't and Nazi Germany, not to the current gov't in the U.S.

I think there was more than that. Alluding to the Religious Right taking over via govenment points to how many feel about Bush. The emphasis that they made sure the bad guy had on how he was protecting society and that they had to give up some freedoms. There were others that I can't think of at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that the BRO's were pretty specifically meaning to point at Bush. Even the original writers of the story backed away from the way the BRO's wanted to portray it.

Not that I agree with the movie mind you, but that's what I think they were trying to portray.

Joe

I agree. I gave two examples, however I didn't mean these were the only two examples.

The example you give here is a good point though.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: torpid
He tortured natalie portman. Did you miss that scene??

This movie was tripe. Thought provoking? Maybe if you are 12 years old and know nothing about politics. The only thought it provoked in me was whether or not to walk out of the theater and how best to warn people against this garbage.

The wachowski brothers are not subtle enough to deliver a parable about modern politics. And whoever directed this movie (John McTiernan?) is not good at action scenes. All the scenes had that jittery fast-cutting camera effect that totally ruins the action.

So, really stupid and insulting plot, bad action, not even remotely thought-provoking unless you consider being beat over the head with obvious analogies thought-provoking.

If you want to see a thought provoking movie about politics, see Good Night and Good Luck or Syriana. Or even The Constant Gardener. Steer well clear of this filth unless you are totally desperate for dark scenery and jilted action.

[Edit] And no, I don't think people should see this movie to make up their own mind. This is not irreversible, do the right thing, or anything of that calibur. It's a bad movie, plain and simple.

Ah yes, I love the amatuer film critics who try to differentiate themselves by taking an extreme (usually negative) view on a film just to try to look more like a nonconfirmist intellectual.

What's really ironic is, even after banging you on the head with its subtlety, you still apparently didn't grasp the point of the movie. It's NOT about modern politics. It is NOT supposed to be a Syriana or a Constant Gardener, and the fact that you are even comparing it to movies like those shows that you completely missed the point. But then again, you were probably too busy trying to think of ways to criticize it to actually pay any attention to it.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Mani
Ah yes, I love the amatuer film critics who try to differentiate themselves by taking an extreme (usually negative) view on a film just to try to look more like a nonconfirmist intellectual.

What's really ironic is, even after banging you on the head with its subtlety, you still apparently didn't grasp the point of the movie. It's NOT about modern politics. It is NOT supposed to be a Syriana or a Constant Gardener, and the fact that you are even comparing it to movies like those shows that you completely missed the point. But then again, you were probably too busy trying to think of ways to criticize it to actually pay any attention to it.

The hell it isn't. The comic book was written as a direct response to Margaret Thatcher. That's according to the author. The americanized version was rewritten as a direct response to neo-conservatism. The author of the comic found this just as distasteful as I did. Anyone who does not see this is completely blind. Anarchy and fascism were replaced with a far less interesting liberalism and neo-conservatism. I much prefer the ending of the comic book, now that I have read up on it.

If I wanted to take a non-conformist position on films, I certainly would not have recommended all the other films I mentioned. This movie was just so blatant in its propoganda that I could not care about what happened to any of the characters. This movie's politics got in its own way to such a degree that it no longer was involving. When you take away the politics in this film, it's just a really bad rehash of dozens of other, better science fiction films.

I'm not just taking a strong opinion to show off. I really hated this film. I don't like spending 2 hours of my life having someone beat me over the head with my own political beliefs, especially if they present them so inarticulately.

 

[cliftonite]

Saw it on sunday, was a great movie.

 

[SpurtSpanker]

This thread is funny and stupid at the same time. Granted the movie might contain whatever you are inferring it contains, it is also in turn - a movie.

The world as we know it has gone to ******. I don't beleive in politics and I don't conform to any party (rep. dem.) or any in betweens. Why? Well, I really don't care. Life is too damn short to argue over and waste my time talking about who is right, wrong, perfect, best, worst, blah blah blah blah blah. People these days go overboard with their beleifs. They force their views on others in any way possible. They will talk to people about their beleifs until they are blue in the face. Would they die for them? Lol - no.

What I hear, is alot of smack talk from people who talk ******. When you act on your words and do something good for another human being other than talk about what is wrong with the world - then and only then are you decent. Until then, I would say keep your convoluted comments, beleifs and opinions to yourself. They aren't helping anything.

I am tired of hearing everyones "review" on what I can watch, what I can drive, what I can say, how to spend my money and how I should live. I will do what I want, when I want and when I damn well please. I will also say whatever I damn well feel like it. If you don't like it - STOP READING IT. Go the hell away.

Politics and Religion are the dumbest freaking things ever invented. They will destroy this country. You may think that is funny or never going to happen - just wait. It will.

Everyone has an opinion. It doesn't mean yours is right.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: Schadenfreude
:roll:

It's just a movie. Get over it.

 

[Printer Bandit]

this movie was overhyped. i give it a 6/10.

 

[Stojakapimp]

I saw the movie today and that it was whatever. I don't really care about any political statements or what not, but as a motion picture I thought it was just ok. Nothing to get excited about

 

[fabidovalle]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Conservatives do hate homosexuals. If you doubt for one second that the religious right would round up all the gays and send them off to be "re-educated" you're delusional.

Wow, this must be the funniest thread i'd read in long arss time!! Thanks for all the jokes.
But as Nebor stated, if the religious right were to gain a lot more ground the "re-education" of a lot of people would be fugly to see!
On another note, i'm from Boston and after reading some of the comments here i thought that by today's standards, many of our heroes of the Independence of our country would be labeled terrorists. What about the Boston Tea Party, were those guys throwing the boxes in the water terrorists? If not, what then?
Anyway, i was not going to see the movie because movie theather is too expensive nowadays, but after all this fuss here i am going to spend even more money and go to the IMAX to see it.
Thanks OP!!

 

[cheapgoose]

saw it today and enjoyed it. I can't believe so many people are getting worked up over a movie. it's a movie.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: cheapgoose
saw it today and enjoyed it. I can't believe so many people are getting worked up over a movie. it's a movie.

QFT except it was "yesterday" instead of "today" for me.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: fabidovalle

Originally posted by: Nebor
Conservatives do hate homosexuals. If you doubt for one second that the religious right would round up all the gays and send them off to be "re-educated" you're delusional.

Wow, this must be the funniest thread i'd read in long arss time!! Thanks for all the jokes.
But as Nebor stated, if the religious right were to gain a lot more ground the "re-education" of a lot of people would be fugly to see!
On another note, i'm from Boston and after reading some of the comments here i thought that by today's standards, many of our heroes of the Independence of our country would be labeled terrorists. What about the Boston Tea Party, were those guys throwing the boxes in the water terrorists? If not, what then?
Anyway, i was not going to see the movie because movie theather is too expensive nowadays, but after all this fuss here i am going to spend even more money and go to the IMAX to see it.
Thanks OP!!

Funny you should mention the tea party, it was directly referenced in the movie by the "voice" of the government, who said that they should throw some grain from the US overboard.

 

[Smartazz]

I just saw it last night, great movie, I get ur point though, but overall a really good movie.

 

[RgrPark]

i don't know why the OP is so wrked up.
V spoke using some hard words in the beginning and made me feel dumb...but he made up for it with his kickass last fight scene.

 

[SophalotJack]

I have a totally different and surprisingly a minority view on this movie.

Natalie Portman = good.

good = will watch.

good + violence = must watch.




The truth is in my logic.

 

[GamerExpress]

Originally posted by: Platypus
You do realize that this is based on a book...

Yep, also I will watch the movie and enjoy it if just for special effects.

Thanks OP, but please go away.

 

[NuclearNed]

I saw it last night. I'm a conservative Christian, and I didn't particularly think it targeted me or my beliefs. It seemed like the movie was more pro-liberal than not (which is exactly what I would expect from Hollywood), but in general I think the movie mostly just targeted repressive governments, irregardless of which political party is involved. If anything, the government in the movie is more representative of Nazi Germany than of the current governments in either Britain or the US.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Mani
Ah yes, I love the amatuer film critics who try to differentiate themselves by taking an extreme (usually negative) view on a film just to try to look more like a nonconfirmist intellectual.

What's really ironic is, even after banging you on the head with its subtlety, you still apparently didn't grasp the point of the movie. It's NOT about modern politics. It is NOT supposed to be a Syriana or a Constant Gardener, and the fact that you are even comparing it to movies like those shows that you completely missed the point. But then again, you were probably too busy trying to think of ways to criticize it to actually pay any attention to it.

The hell it isn't. The comic book was written as a direct response to Margaret Thatcher. That's according to the author. The americanized version was rewritten as a direct response to neo-conservatism. The author of the comic found this just as distasteful as I did. Anyone who does not see this is completely blind. Anarchy and fascism were replaced with a far less interesting liberalism and neo-conservatism. I much prefer the ending of the comic book, now that I have read up on it.

If I wanted to take a non-conformist position on films, I certainly would not have recommended all the other films I mentioned. This movie was just so blatant in its propoganda that I could not care about what happened to any of the characters. This movie's politics got in its own way to such a degree that it no longer was involving. When you take away the politics in this film, it's just a really bad rehash of dozens of other, better science fiction films.

I'm not just taking a strong opinion to show off. I really hated this film. I don't like spending 2 hours of my life having someone beat me over the head with my own political beliefs, especially if they present them so inarticulately.

People see what they want to see. If you saw a repressive regime that supressed nearly all personal expression and happened to be christian, and assumed it was referencing neocons - you're taking what you want to see from it. The original comic was took shots at Thatcher, but from that does not follow that the Wachowskis and McTeigue intended for this to be a Bush-bash. Try reading interviews from them - they wanted it to be a generic but believable representation of fascism, and while some here it as a Neocon fantasy, it has been described as a believable projection of a British fascist state, or John Howard's Australia. Once again, it is NOT a modern political drama like Syriana or The Constant Gardener in that it has no current political basis - it is a purely fictional action flick with a fantasized view of the future.

 

[MaxDepth]

'V' Comic book - Alan Moore points an accusing finger at Margaret Thatcher's England and the treament of gays and AIDs. That's what it was about. The movie doesn't play along that line, instead choosing to highlight a conflict between facism and rebellion.

I always wondered if they were going to make a movie out of the Watchmen graphic novel. I remembered it to be far superior to 'V.'

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Platypus
You do realize that this is based on a book...

I was just about to post that.

Take it to P&N troll. :roll: