Please don't watch "V for Vendetta"

[elbosco]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: elbosco

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ichinisan

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ephemeral

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
After reading all of this thread, discussing how this film is neo-conservative-liberal-left-right-nazi-republican-democratic-green party-Independent party-Liberalist-pro/anti-homosexualism, enviromentalist-pro/anti-gun ownership, pro/anti-abortion with socialist leanings, my response is this:

I don't care about politics. At all. In movies, newspapers, tv, or other media. The day I go into politics, I'll care. As a poster on AToT, owner of cats, and overweight guy, I've got better things to get riled up about. Hemerroids for one. Running out of gas on the highway, for another. I just really really don't care.

There. Now THAT was carthetic.

:thumbsup:

QFT. It's a fictional movie, deal with it. It's a lot better than Matrix 2 or 3, that's for sure, yet there are still people who like those movies. You're free to have your opinion, but hating on the people who like the movie is very immature.

No, honestly, are you serious when you say this?

"How can I insult a group of people that does not exist (intelligent people who found the movie entertaining)?"

The way you're writing makes it hard to detect sarcasm, so for your sake I hope you don't actually think this way

But on the bright side, should Ichinisan stand by his convictions he'll be rewarded with 72 virgins in paradise. Or a high quality 18-piece German cutlery set. I forget which one was showcased on the price is right.

[RobinWillians]
Terrorist: I'm dead! Where are my virgins?!
God: Here are your 72 raisins!
[/RobinWillians]

Robin Williams: We're dealing with fundamentalists... the Amish are fundamentalists, but they don't try and hijack a carriage at needlepoint. And, if you're ever in Amish country and you see a man with his hand buried in a horse's ass, that's a mechanic. Remember that.

 

[Eeezee]

Hahaha, Robin Williams makes for some good comedy

 

[elbosco]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Hahaha, Robin Williams makes for some good comedy

With or without the prozac?

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: Ichinisan

Originally posted by: elbosco

Originally posted by: Ichinisan

This movie blatantly said that the US was responsible for the state of their goverment and the rest of the world. If you missed that, you need to watch the movie again. I'm sorry I don't have clips for you, but you'll want to revise your statement the next time you watch the movie or look extremely silly.

Uh, I'm pretty sure Creedy stated those not of true faith, conviction and conformity were the cause of strife. Hence the concentration camps for religious, racial, and sexual minorites.

They want you to believe that true conservative religious people are taught to hate sinners. It's not true. Hate and murder are the opposite of love and forgiveness. Christians are supposed to use Jesus as their example for how to act.

No they just hate gay people and people who don't believe in Christ.

Who are you to say anything about what the film wants you to believe? Do you have any proof this is what they wanted? Link me an article/video from the writer or director saying this is what they wanted the film to mean and the people they wanted to tick off. I think you are just mad because in today's republican party this hits all too close to home. I actually have to think about it for a second who is a prominent republican and not corrupt, uhhhhhhh.:

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: elbosco

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Hahaha, Robin Williams makes for some good comedy

With or without the prozac?

I think it's safe to say that his hilariousness is independent of the prozac. The man's just funny all the time

Edit: Although prozac can be pretty funny

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: elbosco

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Hahaha, Robin Williams makes for some good comedy

With or without the prozac?

I think it's safe to say that his hilariousness is independent of the prozac. The man's just funny all the time

Edit: Although prozac can be pretty funny

You ever watch the Screen Actor's Guild show hosted by James Lipton and his interview?

Freakin Hilarious.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: notfred
Your post made me want to watch it more.

BTW, most of us here are adult enough to make up our own minds about the information presented to us, without having our movies/books/games/etc be pre-screened for content by you or anyone else.

Zactly. It's a movie... for entertainment. It's not made to brainwash us.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: edro

Originally posted by: notfred
Your post made me want to watch it more.

BTW, most of us here are adult enough to make up our own minds about the information presented to us, without having our movies/books/games/etc be pre-screened for content by you or anyone else.

Zactly. It's a movie... for entertainment. It's not made to brainwash us.

Sorry, but I disagree. Most of Hollywood is liberal. I believe that Hollywood has an agenda. Brokeback Mountain anyone?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: edro

Originally posted by: notfred
Your post made me want to watch it more.

BTW, most of us here are adult enough to make up our own minds about the information presented to us, without having our movies/books/games/etc be pre-screened for content by you or anyone else.

Zactly. It's a movie... for entertainment. It's not made to brainwash us.

Sorry, but I disagree. Most of Hollywood is liberal. I believe that Hollywood has an agenda. Brokeback Mountain anyone?

Yeah they had such an agenda Crash beat out Brokebacvk Mountain for Best Picture.:roll:

I think the OP is offended by this movie because he might see similarities between the Fictional Government in the Movie and our current Government here in the States. I mean that would be the only reason why I would be offended if I were Ultra Conservative.

 

[sourceninja]

Why is it i'm not part of a large conspiracy to do something.

Everyone has one, the movie industry has a hidden conspiracy EVERY movie maker and worker is part of to make us like gays and hate republicans and religious people. The democrats have a huge conspiracy to make us all muslims and communists. The republicans have a huge hidden consipracy to shoot people in the face while taking away our freedoms.

I want to be part of a huge hidden conspiracy damn it!

 

[Udel]

Thanks. I think I'll see it.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Shortass

Oh, and terrorism SHOULD BE a decent option if intended to oust a bad government. If civil disobedience doesn't work, and clearly voting won't work, any means nesessary to make the government for the people (and not the opposite) should be welcomed and used.

THat is really an ignorant statement regarding terrorism. When would it be okay to kill children and babies to oust a government? Sorry for the thread hijack, I just thought this was a really idiotic statement. Timothy McVeigh had a beef with the government and killed 19 children to make his point, do you think that is a decent option?

 

[elbosco]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Shortass

Oh, and terrorism SHOULD BE a decent option if intended to oust a bad government. If civil disobedience doesn't work, and clearly voting won't work, any means nesessary to make the government for the people (and not the opposite) should be welcomed and used.

THat is really an ignorant statement regarding terrorism. When would it be okay to kill children and babies to oust a government? Sorry for the thread hijack, I just thought this was a really idiotic statement. Timothy McVeigh had a beef with the government and killed 19 children to make his point, do you think that is a decent option?

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the war on terror

 

[loup garou]

WON'T SOMEONE PLEEEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

 

[wvtalbot]

-Conservatives don't like homosexuals.
-Religious conservatives are raging perverts.
-Terrorism is OK for overthrowing oppressive (read: "conservative") governments.
-Conservatives are the enemies of art.
-Conservatism equates to pure evil.


I agree with all the above statements.

 

[Malak]

I don't care for politics at all really, but this movie seemed to be another movie to me. I haven't seen it yet, but I am almost done with the book. There have been lots of stories just like it, it's nothing new. It's a what-if scenario not really based on what is really going on. Plus it's old, nearly 20 years old. Getting overworked about a fictional political movement is just silly.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot
-Conservatives don't like homosexuals.
-Religious conservatives are raging perverts.
-Terrorism is OK for overthrowing oppressive (read: "conservative") governments.
-Conservatives are the enemies of art.
-Conservatism equates to pure evil.


I agree with all the above statements.

And the OP is worried about tools like this guy getting brainwashed? I think it's a little late to be worrying about that.

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: wvtalbot
-Conservatives don't like homosexuals.
-Religious conservatives are raging perverts.
-Terrorism is OK for overthrowing oppressive (read: "conservative") governments.
-Conservatives are the enemies of art.
-Conservatism equates to pure evil.


I agree with all the above statements.

And the OP is worried about tools like this guy getting brainwashed? I think it's a little late to be worrying about that.

The op is an idiot to read to much into a freaking action movie (which is what this is)

But in general I can agree with all the above statements maybe not the last one.

A vast majority a conservatives think homosexuals should burn in hell, there is a well established link between fundmentalism (particularly catholic) and child sexual abuse, I beleive there are times when people must rise up and overthrow a corrupt government (note I did not say here or now), conservatives have slashed all federal funding for the arts, and as far as the pure evil thing goes? Well thats a matter of opinion I would say.

 

[Tangerines]

I thought the movie was well done. I didn't see any of this "rampant symbolism" about conservatives being evil. Don't criticize what you can't understand, seriously.

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot
-Conservatives don't like homosexuals.
-Religious conservatives are raging perverts.
-Terrorism is OK for overthrowing oppressive (read: "conservative") governments.
-Conservatives are the enemies of art.
-Conservatism equates to pure evil.


I agree with all the above statements.

:thumbsup:

 

[pontifex]

i haven't seen the movie. i don't think i've even seen a trailer for it (i don't watch much tv).
1 - its a fictional movie.
2 - have you been watching or reading the news over the past few years? i'm thinking not based on your op because you would see that the things you posted ARE happening.
Art imitates life...

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Ichinisan
Before I get started, I'll let you know that I've always considered myself to be a "tolerant conservative."

That got a laugh out of me, particularly given the thread title:

Please don't watch "V for Vendetta"

If you were "tolerant" as you say, your thread would be asking us to please consider your opinion on the movie.

Sorry, no credibility.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry, but I disagree. Most of Hollywood is liberal. I believe that Hollywood has an agenda. Brokeback Mountain anyone?

Most of hollywood is liberal because if movies were made that were anti-gay or blatantly racist they would never get produced... if they even managed to get produced, then can you even imagine the outrage that it would cause?

I don't condone biggotry and hatred, but I think I'm justified in saying that people who do don't get a voice in movies.

While I understand tha hollywood, part of the bluest of blue states, is filled with liberal people, you can't use that as the reason that hollywood has an agenda of forcing liberal ideas upon people. The scare of being politically correct and not being a biggot is the big deciding factor there.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Ichinisan
The movie tries to spread ignorance about what actual conservatism is. Repeatedly the actual word "conservatism" is used to name the evil governmental powers. I highly doubt that Nazis or Neo-cons would ever adopt the slogan: "Strength Through Unity, Unity Through Faith."

You mean unlike the current conservative movement that tried to get its base out by offering anti-homosexual laws and faith based initiatives for the Christians?

Just another conservative trying to appear as the oppressed. Nothing to see here, move along.

Before, I wanted to see the movie because I thought it would be fun. Now I want to see it because it will piss people off.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: Ichinisan
This post does discuss conservative and liberal ideals, but there is no discussion of a political nature in this original post. I don't mind if a moderator moves the thread if it somehow becomes political or if my agreeable opinion is not welcome.

There are no spoilers in this post.

I just watched an early screening of the Wachowski Brothers' latest film: V for Vendetta

Before I get started, I'll let you know....

I'm behind you Ichinisan in regards to the POV of the movie (if what you say is true, haven't seen it yet). I consider myself a tolerant conservative as well. **the following isn't meant to be a chauvinistic remark, so if that's how you take it, you have your "freedom of belief** Liberals remind me of women, they try to set double standards for themselves. Women expect men to be chivilrous, yet expect to be treated equally in the work place. Liberals demand all this free speech, same way liberals cry that our government isn't giving the liberties and siding with the radical islamists who want to murder people for defaming mohammad in a cartoon, yet say that the pi** Christ is freedom of speech.