Please don't watch "V for Vendetta"

[ShadowBlade]

I hate morons who read way too much into movies and literature. Even if you don't agree with the ideals which may have been given in the movie, ignore it and ENJOY THE FVCKING MOVIE.

"I'm not going to go see the movie because its anti-conservitive" is the same as saying "I'm not going to look out my window because my neighbor is ugly"

You miss the point of movies in general. TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE. There is so much more to any movie than whatever symbolism or extended meaning the makers of the movie decide to put into it.

You cannot tell me, being a long-time member of anandtech, that you do not, at least to some degree, enjoy a good fight scene in a movie. Hey, so what if the guy has some stereotypical veiws about conservatists, it makes a good fight scene.

--For the record, I just saw the movie, it was incredible

 

[Vic]

I intend on seeing the movie btw. This thread didn't change my opinion in the slightest. If, however, it turns out to be as bad as Matrix 2 & 3, I will boycott all future Wachowski movies. Burned 3 times in a row and I'd have to start blaming myself.

 

[dandruff]

Originally posted by: notfred
Your post made me want to watch it more.

BTW, most of us here are adult enough to make up our own minds about the information presented to us, without having our movies/books/games/etc be pre-screened for content by you or anyone else.

ditto ...

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

nm

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Vic
The main attraction - distraction
got ya number than number than numb
Empty ya pockets son; they got you thinkin that
What ya need is what they sellin
Make you think that buyin is rebellin
From the theaters to malls on every shore
Tha thin line between entertainment and war
The frontline is everywhere, there be no shelter here
Spielberg the nightmare works so push it far
Amistad was a whip, the truth was feathered and tarred
Memory erased, burned and scarred
Trade in ya history for a VCR

Cinema, simulated life, ill drama
Fourth Reich culture - Americana
Chained to the dream they got ya searchin for
Tha thin line between entertainment and war

There be no shelter here
Tha frontline is everywhere

Hospitals not profit full
Yet market bulls got pockets full
To advertise some hip disguise
View tha world from American eyes
Tha poor adore keep fiendin for more
Tha thin line between entertainment and war
They fix the need, develop the taste
Buy their products or get laid to waste
Coca-Cola was back in the veins of Saigon
And Rambo too, he got a dope pair of Nikes on
And Godzilla pure muthafsckin filler
To keep ya eyes off the real killer

Cinema, simulated life, ill drama
Fourth Reich culture - Americana
Chained to the dream they got ya searchin for
Tha thin line between entertainment and war

American eyes, American eyes....
View the world from American eyes
Bury the past, rob us blind
And leave nothin behind

Just stare
Relive the nightmare.

LOL I love how they say Godzilla - pure fvckin' filla in a song on the Godzilla soundtrack.

 

[Dubb]

Originally posted by: dandruff

Originally posted by: notfred
Your post made me want to watch it more.

BTW, most of us here are adult enough to make up our own minds about the information presented to us, without having our movies/books/games/etc be pre-screened for content by you or anyone else.

ditto ...

x2...

and op, I think you, like most people who denounce it, lack any sort of understanding of the piss christ, and what art is (your definition of art is very naive and, IMO, frankly absurd). But that's a whole 'nother debate.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: UNCjigga

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Again, you need to read up on fascism. Completely fictional? Read up on Germany's National Socialist Worker's Party circa 1933-1945.

Fascism is a leftist movement. A collectivist movement by definition.

OK, ripped straight from Wikipedia:

Merriam-Webster defines fascism as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"[1]. The American Heritage Dictionary instead describes it as "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."[2].

Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism. He said in The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism:

"Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State." [3]

Fascism is associated by many scholars with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it.

Stanley Payne's Fascism: Comparison and Definition (1980) uses a lengthy itemized list of characteristics to identify fascism, including the creation of an authoritarian state; a regulated, state-integrated economic sector; fascist symbolism; anti-liberalism; anti-communism [4]. A similar strategy was employed by semiotician Umberto Eco in his popular essay Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt[5]. More recently, an emphasis has been placed upon the aspect of populist fascist rhetoric that argues for a "re-birth" of a conflated nation and ethnic people[6].

Many scholars hold that fascism as a social movement employs elements from the political left, but eventually allies with the political right, especially after attaining state power. See: Fascism and ideology.

What part about collectivist do you not understand? Your versions of "left" and "right" only work if one assumes that collectivist ideologies are all that exist.

Fascism, as created by Mussolini, was corporatist socialism.

Fascism, as practiced by Hitler, was nationalist socialism.

Liberalism != communism (or socialism). The word "liberal" comes from liberty, and accurately describes the libertarian ideals of Locke, Jefferson, etc. NOT the pseudo-socialist bullsh!t that people think is liberalism today. Liberalism is an individualist ideology, meaning it places the needs of individuals above those of the state. It does not allow the ends to justify the means, as means are ends unto themselves.

My advice to AT'ers this week has been to believe what you see, not see what you believe. Try it sometime.

corporatism and socialism are different.

Nazi Germany was not 'socialist', despite being ruled by the 'nationalist socialist party'. Hitler was virulently anti-leftist and the nationalist socialist party' was a response to what they saw as an uprising of communist jews in the country. Germany had a functioning market economy where businesses pursued profits, but there was heavy government favortism (hence, corporatism/fascism). Also, germany pursued policies that limited imports and favored exports (which is very similar to Pat Buchanon's paleoconservative populist ideology). Also, the public spending that they engaged in was mostly related to the war effort, and they ran on a war economy.


I would say that the difference between nazi germany's fascism and communism is basically the government corporate favoritism vs. a government command economy and 'aryan collectivism' vs. regular collectivism. Basically rightwing populism vs. leftiwing populism.


The vast array of political ideologies tend to be a bit more complicated than your linear 'left/right' reasoning.


Of course the movie is not about communism/socialism vs. fascism.... it seems to be more about leftwing anarchsim vs. rightwing totalitarianism/fascism.

 

[Lumathix]

P&N G0DAMMIT! :|

 

[ZOXXO]

Are there any boobies in this movie?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: ZOXXO
Are there any boobies in this movie?

Yeah, sort of. Mass grave scene with rotting boobies. Other than that just Natalie's nips in her shirt.

 

[Circlenaut]

Thanks for making me interested in the movie, heh!

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Scientists are predicting that the strong conservatism in the US will be less prevalent in the future. This will be brought about by the evolution of mankind due to the natural course of selective breeding.

Well since hardcore fundies don't practice birth control I am not sure how true that is.

You're right, I suppose that's why we keep seeing more and more of them.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Scientists are predicting that the strong conservatism in the US will be less prevalent in the future. This will be brought about by the evolution of mankind due to the natural course of selective breeding.

Well since hardcore fundies don't practice birth control I am not sure how true that is.

You're right, I suppose that's why we keep seeing more and more of them.

feminists failed. they forgot they have to create the next generation the most educated/powerful women contribute least to the next generation while the men have plenty of children heh funny how that works.

11 pages and no mention of thatcher? supposedly the books author was upset at thatcher orsomething. course this makes his gripes rather pointless since she was proven right in the end u know. i'm sure americans dont know much aobut brit history, but they were well down the path towards socialism till thatcher came and made very painful choices that made britain into the economic power it is today.

 

[SampSon]

I guess FDR, Woodrow Wilson, and any other president who spent and had troops at war is just as bad. And don't say the war is unjust just because its unjust in yours and the whole bandwagon's minds. There is a reason we are in this war./thread

Please od wise one tell me why were in this war. Don't use the canned responses I'm used to hearing either.

i don't think that the OP cares about your guys opinions, he was just stating his. liberals without tolerance should really educate themselves. kthxbye

bashing things thoroughly... sounds like a tactic of ... liberals

more examples of ridiculous thought patterns of a liberal.

Gee, by your definition you're a uneducated, mud slinging, brainwashed ... "liberal".

I understand you think you are some shining pillar in the sea of darkness, but the reality is everything you say could be heard on any Rush Limbaugh broadcast. The only difference is that Rush backs up his train of thought with sound opinions and knowledge of the topic he is discussion, you simply don't. You're the type of rhetoric bleeting, data deprived, blind leading the blind fool that gives real conservatives a bad name.

 

[NTB]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
You do realize that this is based on a book...

And on a real-life incident that took place in the 1600s

Nate

 

[Eeezee]

What I find even more entertaining than this wonderful movie is how the OP is no longer posting replies now that most of the replies are in support of the film.

 

[stinger25]

I try not to hate on Conservatism, but the intolerance they display to everyone (muslim, jew, gay, liberals, etc) is just unbelievable. Its funny to hear them say they are tolerant, and then bitch about everything they hate...but onto the movie.

I'm still gonna see this movie, but because its ENTERTAINING.

 

[BDawg]

Just got back from V and loved it.

I don't think it has anything to do directly with modern politics.

I think there are parallels you can draw between the regime in the movie and the one we have today.

 

[aLeoN]

Um I thought this was a movie and not a documentary? Like i can have my thrills and not worry about politics, for example.

 

[TheSlamma]

That was the best movie I have seen roll out of Hollywood in like 3 years.

 

[judasmachine]

hahaha OP, you just equated conservatism with totalitarianism. we finally got one to admit it.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: notfred
Your post made me want to watch it more.

bingo

 

[bondboy]

:beer:

 

[StrangerGuy]

No such thing as bad publicity?

 

[Lyfer]

Originally posted by: Schadenfreude
:roll:

It's just a movie. Get over it.

FTW.