Please help with AMD vs Intel

soccerdude21490

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Hey everyone, well I'm going to build my first computer (I've upgraded my computer in the past, basictly every part was upgraded but the MB). But I mean I've always stuck with Intel, but basictly I've read that AMD is better (which from the benchmarks I know it is) but I know a lot of people are excited about Conroe the new set of Intel chips. Apperently it will run cooler and run faster and better for a lower price. And I want to make this comp last me a few years.

So basictly I'm trying to make this computer better for the future, so does it look like Intel or AMD would be better for a gamers perspective? I'll be designing this computer around the release for Vista because I want to take full advantage of what Vista offers (especially with DirectX 10 and what not). So I jsut don't want to build like an AMD computer now, and then Intel does a lot better when Vista comes out or w/e

Please share some non-biased opinions thanks
 

orangat

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You should have bought AMD when you had the chance. AMD has been faster in almost every common task except for encoding for the past 5+ years. But Conroe is the way to go now.
 

n19htmare

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you are so close to the launch of Conroe.
If I were you, I would hold back for a now, not only will we see conroe but also price cuts from AMD... It's a Win Win situation and well worth the wait.
 

justly

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If you are waiting for Vista (like you mention) then wait to see actual reviews of Conroe.

Conroe is expected to be better than current Ahtlon 64s but Vista is far enough away that things could change (as they always do). By the time Vista is available Athlon 64 prices will be cut, faster versions of BOTH may be available, and K8L should be very near.

I would recommend that your wait to choose a processor untill about a month before you actually plan to buy, that way you have up to date information on what will fit your needs best.
 

soccerdude21490

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does anyone have an estimate on when Conroe will be released? Because yea I'm waiting till Fall/Winter till I buy stuff because I want to wait to get the newest hardware and apperently with DirectX10 and Pixel Shader4, and the new breed of Intel and also the dual core things, I Wanna see what will be the best
 

Vee

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If you build this computer for Vista, then you should wait for the release of Vista and then revisit the question.

Make no mistake about that the market will change considerably at the end of July.

Conroe (aka 4MB cache Core2Duo) is initially going to be a highend part. What will happen by August is that the market is going to be dramatically rearranged. 4MB L2 cache versions of Core2Duo will occupy the highend of the performance spectrum. Current models of CPUs will drop sharply in price and fall several pegs down the ladder. AMD, so as not to fall too far behind, is also likely to extend their line upwards with higher clocks. Todays mid-range is going to be lowend, highend will become mid-range and we will have a new highend range.

There is IMO no explicit AMD vs Intel question. Conroe will for a time occupy the king-of-the-hill position for single socket CPUs and dominate the high segment. And at around $500 it seems like the Conroe will be the obvious best choice in August. But depending upon how much money you intend to spend on the CPU you may end up with whatever. I doubt very much Intel will have any general advantage in either running cooler or bang per buck.

The full SIMD hardware width give the Core2 cpus a considerable advantage on benchmarks and SSE heavy applications. So until AMD have addressed this issue, even cheaper, lower performing Core2's should be attractive to people that depend upon such applications. To me, what appears to be really interesting is the day Core2 has migrated downwards, replaced netburst, and you can buy a Core2Duo for ~$150-$200, with performance that isn't crippled by a cut down cache. Core2 is much more attractive than earlier Intel processors because it offers honest allround performance without weaknesses and doesn't run hot or throttles.

Intel was in a position where their CPUs simply didn't sell at all to people that makes an active choice. They could thus afford to reveal the Conroe very early without hurting their sales. AMD is in a completely different position. The only thing AMD must do is to keep their partners adviced about the interfaces of future platforms.

There is today no reason to expect that Intel's longterm future position is going to be all comfortable.
That simply cannot be public knowledge. The very long previewing of Conroe is pretty unique. And the fact that AMD doesn't put on a similar show doesn't mean anything. It's conceivable that Conroe's performance reign will be shorter than the time that excitedable people have been jumping up and down and been waiting on it.

IMO, people who are early adopters of premium parts get poor value for their money. I expect that to be true about the Conroe too. But if you are going to buy a highend part in August anyway, it's probably going to be the best choice. And by a better margin than is usual for this business.
 

darkdemyze

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I would say wait at least until Q1 07. You mention DX10 and SM4 which isn't due to be supported by manufactures until then, which I myself and waiting for before I upgrade my graphics card. I was hoping for G80 / R600 in the fall too, but so much for that. If you are unhappy with your current system you could just wait for AMD price cuts and get something to "hold you over" until then also, still getting great B4YB.

Another thing, you say you want to build your own system so..good luck finding any Conroes before 07 anyway. OEMs are going to suck those chips up faster than you can type the URL to your favorite hardware store into the address bar. Not to say you WONT find any, but be prepared to pay a price premium in addition to dealing with the usual first-gen quirks.

Originally posted by: Vee
IMO, people who are early adopters of premium parts get poor value for their money. I expect that to be true about the Conroe too.

Totally agree with that statement. It's your money, but I would suggest waiting a while if you want Core2Duo. Otherwise when AMD makes the price cuts, you could make an excellant system for a nice price. Granted you wont be on the "bleeding-adge" but it would still provide a solid platform for quite some time.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Vee
To me, what appears to be really interesting is the day Core2 has migrated downwards, replaced netburst, and you can buy a Core2Duo for ~$150-$200, with performance that isn't crippled by a cut down cache.

Has anyone established that the 2 meg l2 cache Core2 chips are crippled as compared to the 4 meg l2 cache Core2 chips? More cache is better, but how much better?
 

CrossFireXT17

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alright yea I guess I'll just wait till Q1 to start gettin stuff, its a pain in the butt because I want to be prepared, but then again the day I buy something the next day something huge coul dbe announced and make my system lower again. I mean I've always preferred Intel over AMD (no reason really though..... just really liked Intel) but its soo hard now with all the choices of things you can get now its hard to settle down to one thing. Hopefully with Vista's release there will be some nice clear answers to the many questions
 
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