Please keep this civil... African Americans vs. Africans

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
African-American have culture Its just so happens to be a culture created by the effects of slavery and being sold into salvery by your own culture.

Slavery in the African nations was around long before any slaves were brought here and it still exists today in certain areas. In fact, Africans were sold by Africans into slavery and that is where US slavery got it's beginnings. So it seems that Africans have the same history but have a different culture today. Your argument is nothing but excuses. African American culture in the US has been created by the victim and entitlement mentality created by Black leaders and as a whole the culture has been moving backwards for decades.

Actually the first blacks brought to English North America by the Dutch were sold as indentured servants and were freed after their indenture was up. Interesting read on how it evolved into slavery.

 

[Feldenak]

I don't know any African-Americans....I do have several black friends though.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So how about Asians?

Background: I'm white and I find most Asians to be subordinate people. Doing whatever I say and never attaining management positions. They also copy everything without coming up with new ideas and are generally socially inept. The only asians I respect are Indians.




How does it feel to be stereotyped?

Apparently some people are incapable of discussing sensitive topics like adults.

You think Ronstang is discussing this like an adult?

Its all about a double standard.

Talk about blacks like this and with a majority of board members and its fine. But if you move it to asians or something else and post something thats mostly true, its considered un-adult.

Please.

Yes, I do think he is. He expressed an opinion. Whether or not you agree with his assessment is up to you.

You gave no opinion. You merely attempted to belittle the original poster by spouting off how asians are subordinate to you in an attempt to get a rise out of someone.

Just asking "How does it feel to be stereotyped?" showed that you weren't sincere in your statement.

 

[computeerrgghh]

YATBMTV (yet another thread based on MTV)

If you really fear walking in an inner-city, its not because of the race thats living there, its because of the gang-related violence.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Papagayo
I know for a fact that most Africans do not like African-Americans..

I believe it's not the color of the skin, but culture differences.. Africans have strong culture and respect, which most African-Americans lack..

I concur

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
African-American have culture Its just so happens to be a culture created by the effects of slavery and being sold into salvery by your own culture.

Slavery in the African nations was around long before any slaves were brought here and it still exists today in certain areas. In fact, Africans were sold by Africans into slavery and that is where US slavery got it's beginnings. So it seems that Africans have the same history but have a different culture today. Your argument is nothing but excuses. African American culture in the US has been created by the victim and entitlement mentality created by Black leaders and as a whole the culture has been moving backwards for decades.

I concur with this as well

EDIT: I will just add that I agree with the OP for the most part.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So how about Asians?

Background: I'm white and I find most Asians to be subordinate people. Doing whatever I say and never attaining management positions. They also copy everything without coming up with new ideas and are generally socially inept. The only asians I respect are Indians.




How does it feel to be stereotyped?

Apparently some people are incapable of discussing sensitive topics like adults.

You think Ronstang is discussing this like an adult?

Its all about a double standard.

Talk about blacks like this and with a majority of board members and its fine. But if you move it to asians or something else and post something thats mostly true, its considered un-adult.

Please.

Yes, I do think he is. He expressed an opinion. Whether or not you agree with his assessment is up to you.

You gave no opinion. You merely attempted to belittle the original poster by spouting off how asians are subordinate to you in an attempt to get a rise out of someone.

Just asking "How does it feel to be stereotyped?" showed that you weren't sincere in your statement.

I expressed my opinion.

You want me to give examples on the subordinancy?

How often do you see a white female with an asian male. I've seen more Indians married to white females and they are like 0.2% of the population. How often do you see a white male with an asian female? VERY often.

How many fortune 500 companies are owned by Asians? How many high management positions are occupied by Asians? What is the media portrayal and popculture portrayal of asians?

Every culture has problems, mostly stemming from a bad past. Do we have to constantly bicker about this? Go out and make some friends. Chances are you will be happier and not even think about this. There are so many things to learn from other people, whether it be personal strength, wisdom, great cooking, philosophy etc. etc.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
African-American have culture Its just so happens to be a culture created by the effects of slavery and being sold into salvery by your own culture.

Slavery in the African nations was around long before any slaves were brought here and it still exists today in certain areas. In fact, Africans were sold by Africans into slavery and that is where US slavery got it's beginnings. So it seems that Africans have the same history but have a different culture today. Your argument is nothing but excuses. African American culture in the US has been created by the victim and entitlement mentality created by liberal Black leaders and as a whole the culture has been moving backwards for decades.

Fixed and quoted in bold! Time for Rice and Cosby to become the leaders in the African American community!

 

[Chryso]

How often do you see a white female with an asian male. I've seen more Indians married to white females and they are like 0.2% of the population. How often do you see a white male with an asian female? VERY often.

The guy who sits in the cubicle adjacent to me is chinese and he is married to a 6' blonde american woman of swedish descent.
What does this have to do with anything, anyway?

How many fortune 500 companies are owned by Asians? How many high management positions are occupied by Asians? What is the media portrayal and popculture portrayal of asians?

I am pretty sure that most fortune 500 companies are owned by the stockholders.
I don't know how many high management positions are occupied by anyone of any descent. Do you have access to that sort of information?

Every culture has problems, mostly stemming from a bad past. Do we have to constantly bicker about this? Go out and make some friends. Chances are you will be happier and not even think about this. There are so many things to learn from other people, whether it be personal strength, wisdom, great cooking, philosophy etc. etc.

You don't have to bicker about this at all. I am fairly certain that no one forced you to read or reply to this thread. You are free to do all of the things you suggested.
I, on the other hand, am interested in hearing people's views on the topic.

 

[spikespiegal]

I live in a pretty lively inner city area with a mix of everything.

Last several years there has been in influx of Sudanese , and I think Samali's. Not sure the exact country of origin, but they are typically tall and slender with very dark skin. Usually well mannered and soft spoken.

Local 'blacks' if that's the term you want to use, treat them them quite badly. How dare somebody come to this country from Africa and actually be nice to white folk.

 

[SampSon]

African-American have culture Its just so happens to be a culture created by the effects of slavery and being sold into salvery by your own culture. As a proud, well spoken, respectfull African-American I do not agree with any of your statements. Some Africans can be very rude and nasty people. Like what was said earlier, judge a man by his character not his skin.

Yea, slavery is the reason for every single problem with blacks in America...
If you're so well spoken you should back it up with "well educated" by picking up some history books and not listening to farrakhan.

OP, there are exceptions to every generalization. Why is it that so many Africans believe that having sex with virgins will cure them of AIDS?
If anything it has to do with the "hip hop culture" and it's moronic sense of entitlement.

 

[MBrown]

I HATE threads like these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOCK!!!!

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal
I live in a pretty lively inner city area with a mix of everything.

Last several years there has been in influx of Sudanese , and I think Samali's. Not sure the exact country of origin, but they are typically tall and slender with very dark skin. Usually well mannered and soft spoken.

Local 'blacks' if that's the term you want to use, treat them them quite badly. How dare somebody come to this country from Africa and actually be nice to white folk.

a talk radio guy that i listen too was talking about this some what

he mentioned that with the black/african american (what ever you want to call it) culture

doing good and prospering is looked down upon because they are trying to be like "the white man"

and a lot of black/african american kids get ridiculed by there peers if they try to do good in school and other subjects

i guess it was a some sort of study he was reading from/ talking about

but im white, so i have absolutly no idea how real it is since i have no experience from it

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: pclstyle
Wasn't "African-americans" replaced by "blacks" by the NAACP? Or am i completely misinformed?

I think you are correct that the pc term is now 'black'. This is in contrast to whitey.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: JoePa
My brother-in-law is white. Born in Africa. Moved to US when he was 14. Got citizenship in his 20's. He is a REAL African-American.

Am I a middle eastern American because I happened to be born in Oman because my dad was working there?

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: JoePa
My brother-in-law is white. Born in Africa. Moved to US when he was 14. Got citizenship in his 20's. He is a REAL African-American.

Am I a middle eastern American because I happened to be born in Oman because my dad was working there?

sure, but im still trying to figure out where my home land of Caucasia is

 

[fitzov]

I'm European-American beyatch!

 

[mjh]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
African-American have culture Its just so happens to be a culture created by the effects of slavery and being sold into salvery by your own culture.

Slavery in the African nations was around long before any slaves were brought here and it still exists today in certain areas. In fact, Africans were sold by Africans into slavery and that is where US slavery got it's beginnings. So it seems that Africans have the same history but have a different culture today. Your argument is nothing but excuses. African American culture in the US has been created by the victim and entitlement mentality created by liberal Black leaders and as a whole the culture has been moving backwards for decades.

Fixed and quoted in bold! Time for Rice and Cosby to become the leaders in the African American community!

Yep.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So how about Asians?

Background: I'm white and I find most Asians to be subordinate people. Doing whatever I say and never attaining management positions. They also copy everything without coming up with new ideas and are generally socially inept. The only asians I respect are Indians.




How does it feel to be stereotyped?

Bolded part I agree with, partly.

Like I said, I'm not generalizing. I'm observing as a 3rd party. I do not have anything to do with slavery in America, none of my ancestors do. I'm seeing it after getting to know three different cultures. I can talk smack (pros and cons) of Chinese, American, British, and German culture because I understand them. If you think my OP is at ALL prejudice then I don't really see a point of discussing *any* remotely "sensitive" issue with you, because you don't understand the issue at hand.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So how about Asians?

Background: I'm white and I find most Asians to be subordinate people. Doing whatever I say and never attaining management positions. They also copy everything without coming up with new ideas and are generally socially inept. The only asians I respect are Indians.




How does it feel to be stereotyped?

yet another example of a asshat who doesnt like the message or able to discuss the topic and has to resort to attacking the OP. :|

 

[Vinney]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
African-American have culture Its just so happens to be a culture created by the effects of slavery and being sold into salvery by your own culture.

Slavery in the African nations was around long before any slaves were brought here and it still exists today in certain areas. In fact, Africans were sold by Africans into slavery and that is where US slavery got it's beginnings. So it seems that Africans have the same history but have a different culture today. Your argument is nothing but excuses. African American culture in the US has been created by the victim and entitlement mentality created by Black leaders and as a whole the culture has been moving backwards for decades.

African slavery was very different before the African slave trade came about. Nothing like chattel slavery. See, e.g. Olaudah Equiano's writings. And at first the Portuguese would capture their slaves and that likely would have continued if the Africans hadn't stopped the Europeans and Americans from going inland and the ruling classes begin to sell slaves in exchange for goods. If you looked at areas where there was no ruling class, men weren't being sold into slavery by their fellow men.

I don't think it's fair to say that because slavery existed in Africa that Africans have the same history as Africans in America. For one, however brutalized law/government/and the institution of slavery in Africa became after the introduction of the slave trade, it was still largely blacks dealing with other blacks. In America, it was white men as masters of blacks; and whites did not regard blacks as humans. I think that is the major distinction that is going to be the root cause of a lot of problems. Slaves in africa were often prisoners or POWs, etc. They weren't just one race of people who were considered so inferior that they weren't even recognized as human. In America, it took until the 1960's before the government would say, you are human and not only are you human but you not inferior and are thus entitled to equal protection. That's not that long ago.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Africans in Germany I have met are some of the most mannered folks who are just living like ordinary people. They don't talk loud, are not rude, many are pretty educated, have families etc. I don't feel threatened by presence of Africans in Germany, like I would at one of the inner-city African American neighborhoods in the US. My old roommate (moved out) was born in Africa.

I concur with your observationregarding the apparent differences in behavior between blacks in Europe and those in the US.

There were many in my neighborhood in Paris. Lived there for about seven years. They were tall, slim and gentle people. Seemed very pleasant. I do not know where they came from.

I would imagine that there are different cultures, and physical traits, among the people of the sub-Saharan region of Africa.


I don't wanna get into all these other issues some are bringing up, just know that others who have lived abroad share your perception.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

African-American have culture Its just so happens to be a culture created by the effects of slavery and being sold into salvery by your own culture. As a proud, well spoken, respectfull African-American I do not agree with any of your statements. Some Africans can be very rude and nasty people. Like what was said earlier, judge a man by his character not his skin.

Some of my best friends in high school were Blacks (or African Americans). How can I be judging by skin when African Americans and Africans are of the same ethnic origin?

If you read my OP again, you'll notice that I never included the *entire* African American community. I refer them to "some" or "the bad parts". I know people like you and my African American friends are just the common people who are just living your lives like me. I'm just pointing out what I observed... Please don't take offense to what I posted, because it was not meant to be offensive.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So how about Asians?

Background: I'm white and I find most Asians to be subordinate people. Doing whatever I say and never attaining management positions. They also copy everything without coming up with new ideas and are generally socially inept. The only asians I respect are Indians.




How does it feel to be stereotyped?

yet another example of a asshat who doesnt like the message or able to discuss the topic and has to resort to attacking the OP. :|

Everything I posted is true.

In fact I hear Asian-Americans complain about it all the time. You just don't want to hear the message.

 

[Kenazo]

I don't think it's only African Americans that have the reputation of being obnoxious...

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Just picking names out of a hat, but ask yourself who do you have greater respect for:

Colin Powell or Snoop Dogg?

I don't respect either of them, but I will say that Snoop has never lied to me about any mobile chemical laboratories ...