Discussion Please kill me if I ever get called for jury duty again

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dawp

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only time I got picked for jury duty was for a fed case of a felon in possession of a firearm, got picked, lasted less than a week and was literally across the street from my work location, ask why this wasn't on the state level and was told there were no state laws prohibited a felon from carrying.
 

MtnMan

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only time I got picked for jury duty was for a fed case of a felon in possession of a firearm, got picked, lasted less than a week and was literally across the street from my work location, ask why this wasn't on the state level and was told there were no state laws prohibited a felon from carrying.
Locally a gun store had two guns stolen by people that rented them to shoot on the range, and when they were done, they just walked out with them. Excellent surveillance video, played on the local TV outlet, and they were soon arrested, by the feds.

 

emperus

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Kind of sounds like he's echoing my point about jury nullification, which is a right any member of a jury has. Eg famously used by northerners finding people innocent who were prosecuted under the Fugitive Slave Act, also famously used by racists in Mississippi to let Emmet Till's murderers go free. But the fact you cannot be legally questioned for why you found one verdict or the other implies you can base your decision on anything you want and like in the Fugitive Slave Act cases, you'd be a monster to follow judge's orders that you have to judge the defendant on whether you think it has been shown beyond a reasonable doubt the law was broken.
I'm mostly fine with Jury nullification. I was going to mention that as a reason why he should still do. If he does find a case where his conscious was that troubled, I rather have him in the Jury room, and if it meant a hung jury or jury nullification so be it.
 
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emperus

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My wife was summoned on a capital murder case, two highway patrolmen murdered in the breathalyzer room. At the time, our daughter was two, and the wife was a stay at home mom.

Huge jury pool, due to the notoriety of the case. Finally, on the third day of just sitting, the group she was in was called for their voir dire process, and the first thing the judge asks her is "mama, do you have small children at home" to which she answered yes, and she was dismissed.

Who dismissed her? Was it the judge or peremptory challenge? Seems odd if it were a judge.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Permanent exemption from having jury duty is the one good thing about having felony convictions.
Every time I get a jury summons and questionnaire, I fill it out honestly and send it in. (or send it electronically nowadays) I always get excused...usually with a phone call, apologizing for bothering me.
 

Moonbeam

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What do you mean not base your decisions on the evidence presented? Would you do outside research?
Kind of sounds like he's echoing my point about jury nullification, which is a right any member of a jury has. Eg famously used by northerners finding people innocent who were prosecuted under the Fugitive Slave Act, also famously used by racists in Mississippi to let Emmet Till's murderers go free. But the fact you cannot be legally questioned for why you found one verdict or the other implies you can base your decision on anything you want and like in the Fugitive Slave Act cases, you'd be a monster to follow judge's orders that you have to judge the defendant on whether you think it has been shown beyond a reasonable doubt the law was broken.
Yes, sometimes it takes me a while to finish a post for any number of reasons, and while echoing your post, I did not see it. One example I had in mine is that as a liberal, I am not very enamored of the idea that punishment is the answer to bad behavior in our society. In my high school English class Le Miserables was required reading. It got me thinking a lot about politics and sewers.
 

Moonbeam

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I can certainly empathize with the giant waste of time that is the most likely outcome of being selected for Jury Duty.

But I still think your attitude sucks, and adjusting it can also affect the attitude of those around you. It is massively important that the Constitution guarantees all of us the right to a jury trial. Everyone should respect that…………………….

Such a very important post. Another reason that I would do whatever I could to avoid jury duty is because of the profundity of the importance of that function. Nobody deserves having any part of their fate placed in my hands.

I do not ever want to get into a situation where my my tendency to value my judgment could be wrong and with real world consequences, verses my sense of duty to make the right decision as a part of our wonderfully evolved system of justice, regardless of the absurdity of execution to which we are so often witness.

The hitch is that if I were on trial, I would want me on the jury and I would not want to be.
 
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Ajay

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Never been asked (dang, now I will be). So long as it wasn't a death penalty case, I think I'd be fine with it (aside from sitting around for hours).
 

Exterous

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This is one of the few things SE MI seems to do well. If you get notified about jury duty you then get sent an initial questionnaire. If you 'pass' that then you call a phone number several days before hand to see if you're needed. What happens after that I'm not sure as neither my wife or I passed those steps. I suspect they do some arguing for or against jurors based on the questionnaire. The questionnaire I got was all about auto accidents. Well my SIL was the victim of one with life long issues and got a settlement out of the at fault driver. So two days later I got a voicemail saying I wasn't going to be called for jury duty
 

VashHT

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I've only been called in once for it, was really boring sitting around all day waiting to get called to a courtroom. They did question everyone and I ended up getting picked as the extra juror for the case, sat through the whole case but did not deliberate on it at all since none of the other jurors dropped out. I was kinda glad I didn't have to deliberate because it was kind of a rough case (aggravated sexual assault), on the other hand I kind of wish I had in case some of the other jurors were idiots.
 

dainthomas

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I sat for a case once. The defendant's main witness was a friend who was (supposedly) in a bar with him when crimes were committed. On the second day the judge found out the witness was on probation for DUI and wasn't allowed in bars, and asked if he still wanted to testify for his friend. He replied in the negative and defendant pled guilty. Good times.
 
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MtnMan

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Who dismissed her? Was it the judge or peremptory challenge? Seems odd if it were a judge.
It was the judge, my guess is, to speed things up in the selection process. Hundreds of people were summoned for this trial. She would have gotten dismissed anyway, as the brother of one of the state troopers murdered ran a service station in our neighborhood, and we knew him well.
 

Paratus

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I sat for a case once. The defendant's main witness was a friend who was (supposedly) in a bar with him when crimes were committed. On the second day the judge found out the witness was on probation for DUI and wasn't allowed in bars, and asked if he still wanted to testify for his friend. He replied in the negative and defendant pled guilty. Good times.
The one case I went through voir dire for and didn’t get picked seemed to be for a case to pad the prosecutors numbers.

It sounded like a registered sex offender moved and filled out his moving forms two days late. So the prosecutor was empaneling a jury to prosecute him. We felt that wasting 60 people’s afternoon on this so the prosecutor could add +1 to his sex offenders prosecuted column was a bit excessive.
 

kt

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I went through two voir dires and got picked as juror both times. First case was a drug & firearm possession during a traffic stop that lasted a week. Guilty verdict on both counts.

Second case was a first degree murder (1 count) and attempted murder (2 counts) that lasted almost 5 weeks. It would've gone a lot quicker but the main witness (who happens to be the defendant's younger brother) stopped cooperating. So, we were made to watch all the video recordings of his testimonies given during the pre-trial hearings and the police interviews. Not sure if we would've been allowed to watch all those videos had the witness not turned hostile. In the end, we all thought we got more out of the videos instead of hearing the testimony directly from the witness. Guilty verdict on first degree murder and not guilty both counts of attempted murder. The prosecution focused mostly on the 1st degree, so there just wasn't enough evidence for us to find the defendant guilty of the attempted murder charges too.
 

emperus

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It was the judge, my guess is, to speed things up in the selection process. Hundreds of people were summoned for this trial. She would have gotten dismissed anyway, as the brother of one of the state troopers murdered ran a service station in our neighborhood, and we knew him well.

Not a lawyer but that seems odd the Judge would dismiss woman with young children.
 

thraashman

Lifer
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I've gotten summoned for jury duty twice in my life. Once in college and once about 2 years out of college. Wasn't selected either time. Haven't had a summons for it in probably about 16 years now. I'm kinda hoping they forgot about me at this point.
 

Sunburn74

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I would love to do jury duty but always get weeded about because of my brains and color of my skin.
 

Brovane

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I have lost count the number of times I have been summoned. The last time was for a drunk driver case. Sat in the back of the court room and never even got called up to the jury box. They got the 12-jurors and the 2 alternates and then sent the rest us back to the juror room. We waited about a hour in the juror room and then where sent home for the day. The most fun in the entire day was when I was waiting in the line to go through the metal detector the Sheriff's department decided for some reason to take the guy a couple of people behind me into custody. They basically swarmed the guy in the line. The time before this I got called into jury duty. Showed up to the juror room. The person their started reading off names and gradually sending out jurors to the court rooms. After about a hour of this it was basically 8 of us left in the jury room and we were kind of looking at each. Then the head person said you are our lucky eight and you get to go home and are done for your jury service. Kind of cool because my work pays for jury service so basically I had the rest of the day off. Many years ago I was called for the jury pool for a death penalty case. It was in a huge court room and they had the defendant upfront with the seats directly behind him blocked off. There was about 8 bailiffs in the room. They were going through hundreds of jurors and they had us all fill out a questionnaire. I made sure to put stuff in the questionnaire that neither the Defense nor the Prosecution would want me in the jury.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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This was my case. In the article they mention an alternate juror replacement. I was that alternate juror.

The case was a bit of a circus. I was alternate #2. One juror got sick a few days after trial started and I became alternate #1. Trial went on and deliberations started. As an alternate I was not included in the deliberations. They sent the alternates home early on deliberation day 1. I got a call from the judge that night requesting I return the next morning because of a problem with one of the other jurors. When I got to the courthouse discovered that had reached a guilty verdict but one juror started freaking out about this being a death penalty case. The verdict was being walked down to the judge when she started freaking out. They had to chase down the person carrying the verdict. If this freakout had happened in the courtroom it would have resulted in a mistrial. We were told MANY times this was a capital murder case. I guess the realization didn't kick in for her until the guilty verdict.

The other jurors were really pissed. We went back to the room and had to start deliberations all over again. Ultimately, he was found guilty and sentenced to death.

Raghu Yandamuri found guilty in murder of baby, her grandmother - ABC7 Chicago
 
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woolfe9998

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I didn't think I could have any less faith in our courts, but here we are. Had jury duty today and had to show up at 8:00AM and literally all we did the first half of the day was take roll and alternate sitting in the court and sitting in the hallway while the judge processed maybe 30 requests for exemptions from jury duty, almost all of which were denied. Broke for lunch at 12:30, came back and the judge told us about the fifth amendment, then the prosecutor for the case spent 45 minutes telling us reasons we'd have to convict, didn't ask any of us any questions but just had a big discussion all at once with the 100 or so people in the pool, probably 85 of which never spoke a word. Then the defense coached us on all these reasons we had to find his client not guilty for 40-45 minutes, then same discussion format. Then go sit in the hall for a hour before coming back to find which 12 people got chosen. And most of them hadn't said a word the entire presentation from the two counsel. I was so bored to death another member of the pool and I made a pact to go rob a liquor store if we got chosen so we wouldn't have to show up tomorrow. The highlight of my day was complaining to the defense attorney how unreliable witness testimony was.

That's pretty much how jury duty always goes. It isn't really meant for people's entertainment.
 
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Oyeve

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I did a month of grand jury in NYC about 15 years ago. I found it very interesting as we just had to vote if a particular case was worth going to trial, and not getting stuck on a case. It was a good experience and got to see and hear a lot of crazy cases. I also got to see how screwed up our court system really is, from mental lawyers who came with armfuls of crap documentation to crazy ass defendants to crazy cases where the cops had people in chains come in.
 

MtnMan

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Not a lawyer but that seems odd the Judge would dismiss woman with young children.
So a woman with a 2-year-old should serve on a sequestered jury which would probably last a week or so?
 
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