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InseName

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1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz (2x512M)

wats the point of having ddr2 if its goin be 400 mhz, u don't gain any mhz compared to ddr and the timings are a lot slower...
u need 600 mhz ddr2 to gain performance with ddr2...
 

Pciber

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Originally posted by: jimikim
Dimension 8400
Pentium® 4 Processor 540 with HT Technology (3.20GHz, 800 FSB)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz (2x512M)
Dell 20 inch UltraSharp? 2005FPW Widescreen
Dell AS500 14W Flat Panel Stereo Spkrs for 1704FP,1905FP,2001FP Flat Panels
256MB PCI Express? x16 Nvidia® GeForce 6800 GTO Graphics Card
160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
16X DVD-ROM Drive
Total $1,492.80

Very respectable, not bad at all for the price. Put some white-out over the Dell logo, and no one will ever know

I almost complained about one thing, the LCD... almost all Dell LCDs have incredibly high response times, making them very annoying for gaming... but, after a quick product lookup, this one has a 12ms response time - a very respectable amount.
 

Amaroque

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Originally posted by: kabob983
You should be able to run it pretty well with that setup. Athlon 64 processor would be a bit faster, but that should do fine.

One thing I would DEFINATELY do is unlock the other 4 pixel pipelines on that video card. It's supposed to be pretty easy to do, and that'll give you a nice performance boost.

Nice machine...great price to include the monitor too

From what I've read recently. You can't unlock the pipes on the new 6800GTO (GT OEM) cards dell is shipping with new systems.

I'd bump that to a full 6800GT.

I give it a 6

-2 for the video card.
-2 because a P4 isn't the greatest when it comes to gaming.
 

DarkKnight

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system looks good, like the monitor. Few suggestions:

- Get new speakers, I doubt 14W speakers are that good, get a nice surround sound system so u can enjoy HL2s great audio. Or atleast a beefier 2.1 system

-get an audigy 2 ( or 4 or whatever the latest audigy is) so u can enjoy EAX

- Try to get a 6800GT or Ultra if not too expensive, but the GTO should do fine.

-Get a DVD Burner (Not Hl2 related, but useful)

 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: jimikim
I ordered this 11/17 and the website says it shipped today. I'm way too lazy to build my own comp and way to ignorant to know that AMD 64 kicks intel's ass in gaming. So basically I bought this on impulse because i found a ridiculous coupon that was expiring in like 5 hours and I added the 20in widescreen LCD. The 2005fpw's have been going for about $700 so maybe I'll sell it, but i've heard HL2 in 16:9 mode is insane. So was this purchase wise, and will it play HL2 and CS:S at greater than 20 fps (that's what i'm getting now on CS 1.6 with my AMD Athlon 1.1 Ghz + Radeon 9000)?

Dimension 8400
Pentium® 4 Processor 540 with HT Technology (3.20GHz, 800 FSB)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz (2x512M)
Dell 20 inch UltraSharp? 2005FPW Widescreen
Dell AS500 14W Flat Panel Stereo Spkrs for 1704FP,1905FP,2001FP Flat Panels
256MB PCI Express? x16 Nvidia® GeForce 6800 GTO Graphics Card
160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
16X DVD-ROM Drive
Total $1,492.80

by the way, where you got that coupon from? just curious
 

imported_yetti

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Originally posted by: jimikim
I ordered this 11/17 and the website says it shipped today. I'm way too lazy to build my own comp and way to ignorant to know that AMD 64 kicks intel's ass in gaming. So basically I bought this on impulse because i found a ridiculous coupon that was expiring in like 5 hours and I added the 20in widescreen LCD. The 2005fpw's have been going for about $700 so maybe I'll sell it, but i've heard HL2 in 16:9 mode is insane. So was this purchase wise, and will it play HL2 and CS:S at greater than 20 fps (that's what i'm getting now on CS 1.6 with my AMD Athlon 1.1 Ghz + Radeon 9000)?

Dimension 8400
Pentium® 4 Processor 540 with HT Technology (3.20GHz, 800 FSB)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz (2x512M)
Dell 20 inch UltraSharp? 2005FPW Widescreen
Dell AS500 14W Flat Panel Stereo Spkrs for 1704FP,1905FP,2001FP Flat Panels
256MB PCI Express? x16 Nvidia® GeForce 6800 GTO Graphics Card
160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
16X DVD-ROM Drive
Total $1,492.80

wow, awesome price on that rig.
 

zainali

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great rig op. most people are just saying dell sucks, blah blah blah. fact of the matter is newegg cannot match the price dell gave you. yes, you can build a amd rig but whats the point if you can get something prebuilt with warranty for a cheaper price.

dell high end stuff is pretty good and no other company can match their prices. i am sure whenever a deal pops up all these people willl buy dell lcds(ultrasharps are one of the best out there).
 

loic2003

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I prefer to build my own boxes because you can never tell where the companies like Dell and all that are scrimping. Things like PSU's and case quality let alone noise reduction methods are often ignored to increase those profit margins.

Having said that the OP states that he can't be bothered to build his own so he will have to cover the cost of laziness

As for 64bit versions of windows, well we won't be seeing Longhorn for a while still, and at the rate MS are dropping features in it there's going to be little difference between it and XP aprat from the really stylish desktop-consuming analog clock on the new interface (who the hell have they got there designing their OS?!). For the near future look into the64 bit version of XP, although it's not 100% compatable still.



 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: loic2003
I prefer to build my own boxes because you can never tell where the companies like Dell and all that are scrimping. Things like PSU's and case quality let alone noise reduction methods are often ignored to increase those profit margins.

Having said that the OP states that he can't be bothered to build his own so he will have to cover the cost of laziness

As for 64bit versions of windows, well we won't be seeing Longhorn for a while still, and at the rate MS are dropping features in it there's going to be little difference between it and XP aprat from the really stylish desktop-consuming analog clock on the new interface (who the hell have they got there designing their OS?!). For the near future look into the64 bit version of XP, although it's not 100% compatable still.


LOL well looks like you know nothing about Dell so I will correct you first paragraph.

My "Dell" 250w psu powers a P4 3.4ghz, 512mbx2, 9800pro, hd's x2, dvd burner, sound card and about 7 usb devices. I can't think of many other 250w psu that will do that.

Case quality, well they are know to have some of the most accesible cases around, it takes me a good 5 seconds to open up my case.

Noise reduction, most of Dell systems are whisper quite, when I walk in the room I have to look at the case and see if the light is on besause my system is so quite.

Cost of laziness:I paid $800 for my system (3.4ghz, 9800pro, 40gb hd, 512mb, xp) over 8 months ago.

Tom


BTW: the $800 includes tax and shipping.


 

jvarszegi

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
LOL well looks like you know nothing about Dell so I will correct you first paragraph.

My "Dell" 250w psu powers a P4 3.4ghz, 512mbx2, 9800pro, hd's x2, dvd burner, sound card and about 7 usb devices. I can't think of many other 250w psu that will do that.

Case quality, well they are know to have some of the most accesible cases around, it takes me a good 5 seconds to open up my case.

Noise reduction, most of Dell systems are whisper quite, when I walk in the room I have to look at the case and see if the light is on besause my system is so quite.

Cost of laziness:I paid $800 for my system (3.4ghz, 9800pro, 40gb hd, 512mb, xp) over 8 months ago.

Tom


BTW: the $800 includes tax and shipping.

All good points. I have to say, though, that my girlfriend's Dell Precision 450N has one of the worst cases (mated to a proprietary power supply, too) that I've ever seen. The case is huge, heavy to no purpose, not especially protective of the innards (it flexes somewhat), thick and asthmatic (bad airflow). The massive power supply runs the length of the entire case, on the bottom so it can radiate heat up through the entire thing. The power supply has nary an extra power cable to be found; they were obviously not thinking of upgradeability when they created the thing.
 

aznbomber

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I used to also think that DIY computers are a lot better. But after buying a Dell recently, also from the November Sale, I think differently.

Here is my deal from DELL.

Dell Dimension 4700
Intel 915G Express Chipset w/ integrated graphics
P4 3.0GHZ HT 530 w/ 1mb cache.
512mb (2x256mb) PC 3200 DDR2 (Micron Technology)
ATI Radeon X300SE 128mb PCI-E
48X CD-ROM (Hitachi)
Maxtor 80GB SATA HD w/ 8mb cache
2 Years On-Site Warranty
17" LCD Monitor E173FP
Free Cheap Lexmark rebranded printer
Power Supply: 305W
Windows XP Home
$100 MIR

Grand Total Including shipping and tax minus MIR: $727 (I live in CA, so i was charged tax).

Because the video card was weak and I didn't need the monitor.
-$200 for monitor
-$45 for ATI Radeon X300SE
-$20 for the cheap printer
+$145 for Gigabyte 6600GT 128mb PCIe

Updated Total: $607

I think this is an awesome computer for this price. There is no way a DIY computer could match this in price.

For those of you saying that Dell uses crap parts. Please take a look at the brands that i listed for the Hard Drive, CD-ROM, and Memory. I doubt that dell could get the processor or the video card from anywhere other than from Intel and ATI. What else is left? The case and the power supply. I like the case minus the logo, but it is really quiet. That is something that I have to give Dell props for.

I recently built my friend a computer using a thermaltake copper HeatSink w/ fan control Model #CNPS7000A-Cu, a Cooler Master Wave cast model #TAC-T01-E1C, and a ThermalTake Silent PurePower 420W PowerSupply Model #TT-420AD(DUAL FAN). At the time I paid a total of $230 for all 3 times w/o shipping and tax.

I have to say, I expected a nice and quiet computer, but this case is louder than my dell. Granted I didn't read any reviews before buying these items so I do not know if these items are good for quiet computing, but judging from the specifications I expected something better.

Now let's move onto the price comparison.

From newegg, the cheapest 915G Express chipset motherboard that even supports DDR2 memory costs $115 and it does not even have integrated graphics (not that it is necessary for this setup). Now if you go to pricewatch, you can get a MSI motherboard for $97.

From pricewatch, the cheapest P4 3.0GHz 530 LGA-775 OEM processor goes for $169. From Newegg, the cheapest one goes for $187, but since i have seen it at $180 let's take it at $180.

From pricewatch, the cheapest 512mb PC-3200 DDR2 (2x256mb) costs $116.

Now, let's add the video card. Say if you get it at the same price as i did, which is very hard because i bought mine used. It was $165 shipped. But in reality, you can probably expect to find this card for $185 shipped and taxed at the cheapest, depending on where you live.

Just these components, w/o the case, power supply, CD-ROM drive, HD, and Operating System. It will cost you $528 not including tax and shipping. Now, if you go out and buy everything yourself, the best warranty you will get out of them is 1 year warranty for most parts. Where as the Dell comes with a 2 year warranty for everything. GL finding everything else you need to complete this system with $80.

If someone can prove me wrong, please do because I would like to go back to the days of DIY computers when I can actually save some money.

Now, for upgradeability. It is based on the new 915G Express chipset, how is this not upgradeable. The LGA-775 socket was introduced not long ago. The motherboard has 4 slots for DDR2 memory for up to 4gb of memory. It supports 2 SATA drives and has one U-ATA/100. The motherboard also has 1x PCIe x16 slot, 1x PCIe x1 slot, and 2 PCI slots.

I have multiple DIY computers at home, but because I am not an extreme gamer so i never OC them. So this computer won't be any different. It isn't like a machine like this really needs to be OC'd either. I can run HL2 on mostly high settings and the fps fluctuates between 160 and 40 fps.

As a note, I posted this to show that it is very hard for DIY computers to compete with Dell's stuff in terms of price if you just want a decent computer that doesn't require OCing. Granted if you can OC a computer, you can get about 10% - 20% more performance out of it. But is the price really worth it? I guess for some of us that extra speed is crucial, but for most of us it isn't.

FYI: the Dimension 8400 comes with a 350W Power supply, it uses a 925X express chipset, 1x PCIe x16 slot, 1x PCIe x1 slot, gigabit networking, and more. So please do your research before trying to compare computers.

Carldon: Sorry to disappoint you but.
ECS "915P-A (1.0)" 915P Chipset Motherboard For Intel LGA 775 CPU -RETAIL
Item# N82E16813135157 $89.00

It only supports 2 DDR2 Memory sticks, the other two are for DDR only. But the only thing about the ECS that is better is the sound. It does come with 8-Channel Sound where as the Dimension 8400 only comes with 6 channel sound. Oh yeah, the Dimension 8400 also comes with a 925x chipset and not a 915P chipset.

I think other people touched on the video card and memory already, so i'll leave those be.
 

loic2003

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
My "Dell" 250w psu powers a P4 3.4ghz, 512mbx2, 9800pro, hd's x2, dvd burner, sound card and about 7 usb devices.
That's exactly my point. Anyone building their own machine would go for a 300/350W PSU in this case. It's a classic example of cutting corners.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Case quality, well they are know to have some of the most accesible cases around, it takes me a good 5 seconds to open up my case.

Quality
Features

I'm not talking about how long it takes you to take the side panel off (although well done on the short time, have you been practicing?). I'm talking about build quality.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Noise reduction, most of Dell systems are whisper quite, when I walk in the room I have to look at the case and see if the light is on besause my system is so quite.
Well I've worked on quite a few and many aren't. I've worked on dells that make lots of noise and have vibrating cases, etc which further add to the noise level.
Also, they often have crippled BIOS firmware that don't give you access to many features.

This chappy has experienced the dell problems:
I have to say, though, that my girlfriend's Dell Precision 450N has one of the worst cases (mated to a proprietary power supply, too) that I've ever seen. The case is huge, heavy to no purpose, not especially protective of the innards (it flexes somewhat), thick and asthmatic (bad airflow). The massive power supply runs the length of the entire case, on the bottom so it can radiate heat up through the entire thing. The power supply has nary an extra power cable to be found; they were obviously not thinking of upgradeability when they created the thing.

LOL well looks like you know nothing about Dell so I will correct you first paragraph.
Grow up a bit would you? Stop being so patronising, it'll get you nowhere.
 

Budmantom

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loic2003,

My system has been running 24-7 with all the upgrades with that "quality" 250w psu and yet you think it's not enough... I guess I'll "need" to upgrade to a 550w unit.

As far as quality and features it has everything I need and it's easy enough to get to everything without getting all cut up.

Bios, yeah it's kind of neutered but I could care less.

You didn't address the price but it wont help your argument any.

I guess your looking for a pat on the back because you built your own computer.......well.... good job, I didn't have the time or patience.



Tom

BTW thanks for checking my spelling, it's people like you that make the world a better place.
 

Pciber

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Originally posted by: Budmantom

My "Dell" 250w psu powers a P4 3.4ghz, 512mbx2, 9800pro, hd's x2, dvd burner, sound card and about 7 usb devices. I can't think of many other 250w psu that will do that.

my shuttle SilentX 240w psu powers an a64 3200+, 512mbx2, 9800pro, 1 250gb maxtor hdd, dvd-rom/cd-rw combo, and a wifi card.

All of this is in a Shuttle SK83G, btw. Tiny SFF A64 system. its tasty.
 

Anubis08

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I would have gone with the 8400 too. With the XPS you are just buying the name. I would probably gone to dell if I did not find help building my first rig too but 7/10.
 

loic2003

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
My system has been running 24-7 with all the upgrades with that "quality" 250w psu and yet you think it's not enough... I guess I'll "need" to upgrade to a 550w unit.
Well done, your medal is in the post. What about when you want to slap in an extra hard drive or two? or put in a hotter GPU? Might not work so well then....

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Bios, yeah it's kind of neutered but I could care less.
Since you appreciated the spelling lesson before, I'll treat you to another lesson for free! The phrase you're looking for there the I couldn't care less. Saying you could care less implies that you do actually care.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
You didn't address the price but it wont help your argument any.
They're cheaper, but you get less. No suprises.

Originally posted by: Budmantom

I guess your looking for a pat on the back because you built your own computer.......well.... good job, I didn't have the time or patience.
Cheers pal, are you going to send me a cookie in the post? Oh, and it's "I guess you're looking for a pat on the back".


You've done great here, you've had two lessons at no charge! Well, I feel this has been a productive day. I'm glad you appreciate my input, I think we're a lot closer now, don't you?

Time to drink, ta ta!
 

SPD2171

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Good job man, you should be just fine with that system. Remember where you are posting, alot of these guys are hardcore DIYers.

I recently found a deal too good to pass up on an Dell system as well, and it changed my whole plans... Now I will live without overclocking for the next year and a half, and enjoy the heck out of my new box.

I don't think I could have built mine as cheap as I got it, it was reasonable enough that I sent back the components I already had for my new build.

Here's what I picked up on DellOutlet, which I can only assume was a pricing error after seeing the other similar systems they have:

Dell Dimension XPS Gen 3

Pentium 4 Processor 560 with HT Technology (3.60GHz, 800 FSB)
512mb PC2-4200 DDR2 533mhz ram
120GB 7200rpm 8mb cache s-ata hard drive
48X CD RW Drive
16x DVD +/- RW w/dbl layer write capability
256MB PCI Express x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon X800 XT PE
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS (D) Sound Card
Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Optical Mouse Desktop Combo
Windows XP Pro

Grand total of 1179 shipped to me. Not bad considering the cheapest I can find the PCI-E version of this video card is 535 dollars on froogle or pricewatch. Sure, I won't be able to overclock right now (need new MB and case if I do) but bang for the buck is pretty damn high if you find a sweet deal. Congrats on your system - I hope you enjoy the hell out of it!

 

jakobkraft

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would like to quote all the retarded morons in this thread talking about proprietary parts, but it would just take too long and I just don't want to invest that kind of time.

I do.
I was thinking as I read through these posts what the hell are these people thinking saying you can't upgrade a Dell, or rather what year are they trapped in? I've built two systems now, for friend and gf, only given that I had the time and my job supplied the parts; it was a good experience and I'm glad I did it and would certainly do it again. But as for right now, my Dell machine serves me thoroughly well BECAUSE I've upgraded every single component with the exception of the power supply (not yet necessary). Their little green sticks securing everything in place can get annoying but aside from that there's nothing stopping a Dell user from upgrading memory, hd, cpu, mobo (do away with the sliding tray and create your own holes for screws).

I'm all for doing it yourself, if you have the time and need and desire - but as to the claims that Dell machines are not upgradeable, you don't know what you're talking about!

My two cents.
 

MrControversial

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I only build rigs because it's fun and I like to tweak stuff. However, it isn't cheap and you are your only tech support. I'm network admin/PC technician and if someone gives me their computer to repair and it can't be salvaged, I tell them to go with a Dell. For the average Joe, Dells are awesome deals. I'm a firm believer that every household should have a kickin' PC and Dell helps push that along.

I only build for people who come to my pad and see my PC with the lights and sh*t and ask me to build a custom PC for them. But if someone says, "My computer is dead, what should I do." I simply say, "Get a Dell".

So with that said, I give your rig a 10/10 for what you want. See, I'm objective. I can look at your needs and say you got what you wanted. Don't even get me started on that 20" LCD. I'm jealous as a b*tch. Now if you told me you bought that rig for grandma for browsing the web and typing letters I would straight crucify your ass verbally and give it a 3/10 because it's way to much for what she needs it for. Secondly, if you wanted to do video editing or CAD, I would give that a 5/10. Lastly if it was a Gateway, I would give you a 2/10 and then drive over and punch you in your friggin' mouth. I lost blood repairing Gateways. They are repair proof.
 
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