Please review the specs of my 3800 X2 build

sybille

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Hi, I've been lurking here at AnandTech for a while, preparing to build a new system for the first time. I've never done this before, so there's a lot to learn.
First I'll tell you what the PC will be used for, and then I'll list the parts I'm thinking of using. I'm not going to include links to newegg or prices since I live in France and will be buying from a series of shops located in Paris rather than online (except for one or two components). Also, I won't be buying most parts before the sale period in January when prices go down, but I have a store credit to use now to get started.

Edit: I changed the summary of this topic to reflect the fact that I'm looking for opinions on whether the system I'm thinking of building is overkill, in particular for a Linux user.

Use of the computer
This PC will NOT be used for gaming. It will run Linux exclusively. I have been using Slackware Linux on an old laptop for almost a year now, so that's not a problem for me. I will probably try out several other Linux distributions, though: the 64-bit versions of SuSE, Ubuntu, and Gentoo. I have looked into hardware compatibility for Linux for the parts already.
I have no experience with overclocking, but I'll probably give it a try. However, it's not enough of a priority that I want to buy special (expensive) OC parts.
The computer will have 3 main functions:
1) Office: working with book-length texts in OpenOffice and Scribus, web, email, some apps that need Wine.
2) Etherboot to run the laptop I currently use - this will allow it to run programs it can't run too well right now.
3) Media: I plan to rip my CD collection to hard disk, watch DVDs, and eventually install PVR hardware (probably the Plextor USB PVR with TV tuner, since Plextor is emphasizing Linux support. I'll be waiting to see if a PCI version is introduced for Europe - currently it's only available in and for Japan).

Parts list, with commentary
I've used the AnandTech mid-range system buyer's guide as a starting point, the AMD-based office version.
CPU:
AMD 3800+ X2 retail for the warranty and HSF
Since the CPU will be running 2 computers, I think dual-core will be useful.
Mainboard:
EPoX EP-9NPA+Ultra OR MSI K8N Neo Platinum
In France, there is no price difference between these 2 boards. The Epox board seems to have a better reputation. However, the MSI board has 2 NICs (and I would use both of them with the etherboot setup), and the Epox has fewer PCI slots if I wanted to add a second NIC to it. So I haven't decided between the two.
RAM:
OCZ Value, 2 X 1 GB
2 GB to help run 2 computers, and I think value RAM will be fine for me.
GPU:
nVidia 6600GT (brand will depend on prices).
Maybe even that's overkill? Maybe a regular 6600 would be enough. Remember, I won't be gaming much, if at all. I would like to be able to run accelerated graphics in X, though. nVidia for the Linux support. I like the Gigabyte card with the passive cooling, but the VIVO functions aren't supported in Linux so I don't know that it's worth the extra cost.
DVD burner:
NEC 3540
HDD:
I'd like to start with a boot drive and a storage drive:
boot: Raptor 74 GB
storage: Hitachi SATA 250GB T7K250 NCQ
My heart is not set on a Raptor, I can't decide if I think it's worth the extra price. I realize this has been debated to death. If not a Raptor, maybe the 160 GB version of the Hitachi instead?
PSU:
Seasonic S12 430W (they've just become available in France)
Case:
Lian Li PC-7B Plus SE (the "SE" version comes with 120mm fans for intake and exhaust)
I want a black all-metal case without a door and without bling. The Antec P180 is too big, too.
LCD:
Viewsonic VX912
It's had good reviews and is in my budget.
Extras:
aftermarket CPU cooler, for silence rather than overclocking? Maybe the Zalman 7700 Alcu or an XP-90 with a quiet fan.
Zalman passive northbridge cooler
Quiet cooler for the video card?
I haven't decided how much I want to fuss about silence, but the PC will be located in the living room. (I'll run an ethernet cable to another room for the laptop).
I haven't included speakers since I plan to hook the computer up to an AV-in on my bookshelf stereo for the time being. I probably will look for a soundcard eventually, but not for the initial build.
I have a keyboard I can use and I'll pick up a simple optical mouse, probably a Logitech with scrollwheel.

So, I don't think there's much that is controversial in my parts selection, but I'd still appreciate any feedback. Thanks!
 

LED

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I usually don't reply in these kind of threads but I'm weak @ the Moment ...Your choices, however, are definitely good to go IMO so click the order button and get upi off your wallet...Want a crotique???Hmmm you really don't need to spend that xtra cash for the Raptor
 

Gadzookie

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everything looks good except the raptor waste of money now just find a good hardrive with 16 MB cache and your allllll set like the maxtor diamond max
 

sybille

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Sorry to have taken advantage of your moment of weakness, LED, but thanks for the feedback. And yours too, Gadzookie
I probably won't get the Raptor. I do need to make up my mind about the motherboard and the video card, though.
 

sybille

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Hmm, I'll think about that Gigabyte board. But I'm not interested in an ATI video card (is that where the link was supposed to point?), since their Linux drivers aren't as good as the ones from nVidia.

It's just hard for me to judge how much video card I need since I'm upgrading from a really old laptop. But I realize that most of the people who post here are gamers concerned with the high-end of video, not the lower-end like me. But since I don't want a card that uses shared system memory like the nVidia TurboCache cards, that's one step up from rock bottom, anyway.
 

LED

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sybille...yes it went to ATI and I explain why:
1) You're not 1 Gamer
2)Nvidia 2d sucked untill it bought out 3DFX Tech
3)ATI's 2D went and bought out TSeng Labs...best in it's class since the 90's with 3DFX not far behind...
 

natto fire

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Looks like an excellent build, but I'll third the suggestion to drop the raptor. Also you are wise to steer clear of ATI cards for Linux, it's like they barely even acknowledge it exists Not to mention their OpenGL performance is severly lacking anyways. BTW your link points to reply in this thread, LED.
 

natto fire

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Originally posted by: LED
sybille...yes it went to ATI and I explain why:
1) You're not 1 Gamer
2)Nvidia 2d sucked untill it bought out 3DFX Tech
3)ATI's 2D went and bought out TSeng Labs...best in it's class since the 90's with 3DFX not far behind...


Might want to double check that link

And he said he is using Linux. Have you ever tried to use an ATI card in Linux? It is a pain to set up the drivers, and a GF4 4200 will walk all over a 9600XT in OpenGL. I have seen it with my own eyes in Gentoo.
 

LED

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Thanks caip'n as YOyoYOhowsDAjello pointed that pointed that out to me and I requested he chime in and fix it..no matters as the OP figured it out...he ain;t dumb
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: LED
Thanks caip'n as YOyoYOhowsDAjello pointed that pointed that out to me and I requested he chime in and fix it..no matters as the OP figured it out...he ain;t dumb

I would have, but I thought it was a link to a product and didn't know what I should correct it to.
 

imported_Shivetya

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No offense but the whole system is overkill for the stated purposes.

Raptor drives are overrated. Large cache sata150s are just fine. Hell my 160gb 8mb Hitachi regularly beats the raptor in the same system!
 

LED

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You are most definitely Official Member of ATOT Night Crew but damnit now I got chickens callin on top of the other stuffs
 

stevty2889

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Looks good. I agree with the others that it would be better to get a 16mb cache SATA II hard drive over the raptor, I had 36gb raid-0 raptors, and my Western Digital SATA II drive is just as fast, bigger, and less expensive. As for the video card I think a regular 6600 will be plenty. Even if you do do some light gaming the 6600 should be enough, I had no trouble running far cry on my 6600.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: LED
You are most definitely Official Member of ATOT Night Crew but damnit now I got chickens callin on top of the other stuffs

Have fun.
 

LED

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Originally posted by: Shivetya

No offense but the whole system is overkill for the stated purposes.

Raptor drives are overrated. Large cache sata150s are just fine. Hell my 160gb 8mb Hitachi regularly beats the raptor in the same system!


Yes for Linus NE thing over 1 Gig is...but where do you pass that kinna thing along ?
 

sybille

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OK, everyone, let's drop the Raptor from consideration. As I implied before, I was really just toying with idea in the first place. I'm pretty sure I'll get 2 of the Hitachi drives, 160 MB for (multi-OS) boot and some archives, 250MB for my home directory and media files.
And I am going to get an nVidia card, probably a 6600 vanilla.

As far as potential overkill is concerned, well, that is something I was wondering about. As I mentioned, I more-or-less followed the AnandTech guide for a mid-range, AMD-based office system, which is what I want to build. But really, I don't want to have a lot of unused capacity, either...
Since, along with running the laptop from the system, I plan to use it as a PVR to record TV input from antenna and from the IPTV we are lucky to have in France, and then to burn some recordings to DVD, and also to stream music, I was thinking that the dual-core/2 GB ram setup would get used adequately to justify the expense. I've been following the AMD64 forum for Gentoo for a while, just to see what people are using/building, and 3800+ X2 systems are not rare from what I can see. Maybe 2 GB of RAM isn't necessary, though.
I'd love to hear divergent opinions.
I have been making do with a laptop that can just barely do what I need - not enough RAM for OpenOffice, even - so it's hard for me to judge just what is necessary. I do plan to run the system for many years (3-4 at least) without upgrading other than to add things for media as the budget allows (sound card, better sound system, TV card/USB box, etc.).

BTW, thanks again for the feedback.
 

LED

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sybille
..I know little bout you so any further info you want can be PM'd or e-mail'd..Here's The Giga-byte results

Good catch sybille ..Xcux\se me as I'm feeding animals...doing Garden and damnit I need 1 helping hand...but feel free to cruise thru the other kink I posted
 

sybille

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Originally posted by: LED
Damn it 1 last try

That's it.

I'll probably ask my RAM/overkill questions at a board with lots of Linux users, too, since they might have a different perspective. But do you all think that the AnandTech guide recommendations (which include the 2 X 1 GB RAM suggestion as a good upgrade) are overkill in general, or is it a Linux thing in particular?
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: sybille
Originally posted by: LED
Damn it 1 last try

That's it.

I'll probably ask my RAM/overkill questions at a board with lots of Linux users, too, since they might have a different perspective. But do you all think that the AnandTech guide recommendations (which include the 2 X 1 GB RAM suggestion as a good upgrade) are overkill in general, or is it a Linux thing in particular?

I do some basic gaming, office stuff, DVD encoding, other basic stuff and I am having no issues with 1 gig. 512 actually worked fine too.

EDIT: Sorry, this is Windows
 

LED

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sybille...AT reco's are for the majority of users which is Winblows Linsux is 1 nother story and I don't go there
 
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