In the words of the famous Jedi master:
"Fear is the path to the dark side, Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
Control your fear and your anger will subside.
You'd kill a child if your feels were in jeopardy?
Whoosh
Same with the left - they aren't pro-choice, they are pro-abortion.
I say to Hell with trying to sugar coat things. Let's just all say we're pro-abortion or anti-abortion.
Speak for yourself, I made my wife get pregnant 25 times just so we could abort the babies. Once you get started aborting babies, it is a damn hard habit to quit.... fun as all hell!
just sadness that our society has become so callous that we can think of no better alternative than to kill an unborn child.I'll take this derpaderp attempt at wisdom to mean you can't or won't substantiate your views with well, anything.
I do appreciate you illustrating the projection I mentioned though, awfully kind. The views you don't want to support reek of the same fear and anger you brought up, too funny. I post that you guys do nothing but project project project, and you come right back and prove me correct. Thanks?
sucks right? but lets not discuss real solutions, and mock those who need what scraps we toss them.just sadness that our society has become so callous that we can think of no better alternative than to kill an unborn child.
Ah, science and religion. So science says (as one example):Hm, I find the whole talk of "killing a baby" a bit awkward in this context. The problem is that when humans think of "a baby", we tend to think of a human infant rather than what we're actually talking about. In other words, I find the wording to be rather misleading... especially since abortions tend to occur during the zygote or embryonic stage, or rather the first 11 weeks (about the entire first trimester).
In reality, the argument tends to boil down to a difference between the scientific definition of life vs. the religious definition of life.
solutions are self evident with a little thought. support services for the woman during pregnancy, placement services for an unwanted child, ending incentives that reward single parenthood and having additional children, birth control subsidy for those who cannot afford it. Details of each are up for discussion but the general outline is as above.sucks right? but lets not discuss real solutions, and mock those who need what scraps we toss them.
good luck with those, how would you fund it?solutions are self evident with a little thought. support services for the woman during pregnancy, placement services for an unwanted child, ending incentives that reward single parenthood and having additional children, birth control subsidy for those who cannot afford it. Details of each are up for discussion but the general outline is as above.
your turn...
so you have no solutions to offergood luck with those, how would you fund it?
and of course, it doesnt stop after birth, so will taxes be increasing to cover things like education for unwanted children? or foster care?
youve really just scratched the surface.
why is this your reply? do you not have faith in your ideas?so you have no solutions to offer
no. They are prochoice. Very few people are happy that abortions happen.
Nice try, but nope. It doesn't work that way.
That would be very inaccurate. No one I know who considers themself "pro choice" WANTS wimmenz to get abortions...but they want wimmenz to have that option if they so choose. (Thus the "choice" part of pro choice)
So stupendously stupid I'm wondering if a boomer or pcgeek hijacked your account. Yikes.
not at all. The left is simply pro choice. No one likes abortion. Perhaps you should ask a woman that aborted if she was super happy with aborting her fetus? You know, this is a pretty clear opinion that you could have if you at least wanted to properly shape it into one founded on actual research and life experience, rather than defaulting to uninformed and sophomoric "both sides" assumptions.
You want to honestly lessen the frequency of legal abortions, like pretty much all humans do? Then you would fully support Planned Parenthood, which is pretty much the single entity who's mission actually does that.
The only thing I can tell from this post is that you're pro stupid and for assaulting poor innocent straw people.
Won't anyone think of the plight of the straw people?
Not that Lena Dunham is representative of all pro-choice people (though, she is a very outspoken and public advocate for it, has made herself a pro-choice figurehead, and is a self-described "abortion rights activist"), but she did say this:
http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/lena-dunham-abortion-controversy-1201946387/
"I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women’s options, I myself had never had an abortion. And I realized then that even I was carrying within myself stigma around this issue. Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know that I was unblemished in this department.
I feel so proud of them for their bravery, for their self-knowledge, and it was a really important moment for me then to realize I had internalized some of what society was throwing at us and I had to put it in the garbage. Now I can say that I still haven’t had an abortion, but I wish I had."
ending incentives that reward single parenthood and having additional children
why can you not provide your framework? I provided a serious starting point for discussion. What is yours or do you accept mine as the conceptual platform and we can begin working out the details?why is this your reply? do you not have faith in your ideas?
theyre not bad ideas, but you cant just throw shit out there and walk away, there is life after birth.
so when youre serious, come on back.
Disgraceful post from an "elite" member.
They don't give fuck about a blob of cells once gone through the birth canal or been pulled out by c-section.
No more concern, no health care, no food, no education, no safe home, no caring family, no protection at all.
just sadness that our society has become so callous that we can think of no better alternative than to kill an unborn child.
Not that Lena Dunham is representative of all pro-choice people (though, she is a very outspoken and public advocate for it, has made herself a pro-choice figurehead, and is a self-described "abortion rights activist"), but she did say this:
http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/lena-dunham-abortion-controversy-1201946387/
"I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women’s options, I myself had never had an abortion. And I realized then that even I was carrying within myself stigma around this issue. Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know that I was unblemished in this department.
I feel so proud of them for their bravery, for their self-knowledge, and it was a really important moment for me then to realize I had internalized some of what society was throwing at us and I had to put it in the garbage. Now I can say that I still haven’t had an abortion, but I wish I had."
Ive been accepting yours as conceptual framework. Youve not been reading my posts.why can you not provide your framework? I provided a serious starting point for discussion. What is yours or do you accept mine as the conceptual platform and we can begin working out the details?
Its part of the punishment out of wedlock thingHow does that encourage a woman to carry a fetus to term?
Ah, science and religion. So science says (as one example):
"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29
For Christians, it is at the conception event.