Please suggest

[ghostr]

My current configuration is:
MSI RS 482 M4-ILD motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 939 pin
2.25 GB DDR1
ATI Radeon X700
230V PSU
19" Monitor.

Questions:
1. which one is the best in this line up XFX Radeon HD 4870 [1gb] Vs NVidia GTX 260 [1gb] Vs NVidia GTS 250 [1gb]?

2. Will the graphic card you suggested support my mother board[MSI RS 482]?

3. The one you suggested from the above. Could you tell me what makes it better than the other?

4. And how many watt PSU should I buy for the same.

Thank you in advance.

Cheers.
Ghost

 

[toyota]

you need a new pc my friend if modern gaming is your pleasure. an old single core doesnt cut it anymore and certainly doesnt need to be paired up with anything more than low end gpu.

 

[Schmide]

Is that a 230v psu? We really need to know the wattage/brand to give you an ideal of what it would take to to get you nearer to modern gaming.

I'm guessing from the "cheers" you're in the UK

 

[IlllI]

that cpu will be a huge bottleneck

 

[crisium]

With that CPU there's no need to get anything faster than a Radeon 4670 or GeForce 9600GT. Forget about a 4870 (which is faster than a GTS 250, btw). It would really be wise to build a new system. You can get sub $100 dual-core CPUs for socket AM3 that will crush yours, and you can even get a DDR2 motherboard for AM3 systems if you want to save some cash since DDR2 is still cheaper than DDR3. You'd be wasting your money with a 4870 in your system, if it could even handle it. Is that a 230W PSU? Please specify as much about the PSU as you know.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

You really need a new PSU, RAM, motherboard, CPU, and video card.

If you do not plan to upgrade the CPU, RAM, and motherboard for quite some time, then just get the Radeon HD4670. It's plenty fast for that processor, it doesn't use much power, and it's cheap. Other alternatives are the Radeon HD4650, Geforce 9500GT, and Geforce 9600GT.

If, after listening to our recommendations, you plan to get a new CPU, RAM, and motherboard in the near future (or now), then you could get whatever video card you can afford along with a new power supply, as you'll need a new PSU if you get a high end card like the HD4870 or even GTS250. For reference, to get a decent new CPU, motherboard, and RAM, you'll be looking to spend about $150. You can get a decent power supply under $60. These prices are US dollars.

 

[lavaheadache]

i suggest you make a new title to your thread as your current one sucks

 

[betasub]

Probably better suited to the General Hardware forum.

OP would be well advised to read the first post in each of the three sticky threads in GH to get the best help.

 

[ghostr]

thanks all for the advice...

@Schmide >> No, I am from India

@cusideabelincoln >> Main concern....I would like to know if the Radeon HD4870 or GTX 260 be supported/used on my MSI Motherboard....IF YES....which is a BETTER ONE....dont matter if it works slow for now....as i would be upgrading it soon....but for the mean time I would like to get a new GC...@cusideabelincoln if you can advise or suggest it would be a gr8 help in taking my decision.....Also, How much watt Power supply should I take for the same.

@lavaheadache >> Well thanks for rubbing it in... ;p

 

[Syntax Error]

The reason why people are telling you to bite the bullet and upgrade the rest of your system is that upgrading to a more powerful single component does no good if you are bottlenecked by other, older components like your CPU. A lot of computing purchases are about minimizing the bottleneck, and in your case, purchasing a good video card wouldn't be very prudent as you'll likely be limited by your CPU.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: ghostr
thanks all for the advice...

@Schmide >> No, I am from India

@cusideabelincoln >> Main concern....I would like to know if the Radeon HD4870 or GTX 260 be supported/used on my MSI Motherboard....IF YES....which is a BETTER ONE....dont matter if it works slow for now....as i would be upgrading it soon....but for the mean time I would like to get a new GC...@cusideabelincoln if you can advise or suggest it would be a gr8 help in taking my decision.....Also, How much watt Power supply should I take for the same.

@lavaheadache >> Well thanks for rubbing it in... ;p

Yes, the HD4870 and GTX260 should be supported by your motherboard. PCI-Express is backwards and forwards compatible, although there may be a few instances where a video card might play nice with a certain motherboard. Whether this would happen in situation, I do not know, but it should not happen.

As for which card is faster, they are basically equals. Get whichever card you can find cheaper. The only other way for us to tell you which one is faster is for you to list all of the games you intend to play and see which card does better in those games. But for almost all of the popular and new titles, the cards perform the same.

Since you now made known your intent is to upgrade soon, it doesn't matter which video card you get. But to use those video cards, you will need a new power supply. I'm not sure what products are available in India, but generally speaking you should get a power supply that is at least 500 watts (to be on the safe side). What brands can you get? Can you get Antec, Enermax, Corsair, OCZ, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling? If you have any other brands available let us know.

 

[bryanW1995]

I recommend that you check out the psu forum. jonnyguru has a lot of helpful advice there for those looking to upgrade.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: ghostr
@Schmide >> No, I am from India

I was more looking at weather the deals could be found in the US market. Are you in India?

 

[Clinkster]

I don't see why people are saying the CPU will be the bottleneck. The rest of his PC will be. I'm afraid you'll have to build anew if you want performance.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Clinkster
I don't see why people are saying the CPU will be the bottleneck. The rest of his PC will be. I'm afraid you'll have to build anew if you want performance.

your comment makes no sense because you contradict yourself in the end. if you really dont know why his cpu would be a bottleneck then you are clearly in the wrong place.

 

[Whitedog]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Clinkster
I don't see why people are saying the CPU will be the bottleneck. The rest of his PC will be. I'm afraid you'll have to build anew if you want performance.

your comment makes no sense because you contradict yourself in the end. if you really dont know why his cpu would be a bottleneck then you are clearly in the wrong place.

Makes perfect sense to me. He is simply saying he needs to replace the whole PC. NOT just the CPU.

If you can't understand that, you're clearly in the wrong place.

 

[Shmee]

woah, civility please! But people here do have a point, I would recomend as well a complete PC overhaul. If you have the money and don't OC, p55 with an i5 would be a good upgrade. And then you could get the needed ram, PSU, probably new HDD, and of course a GTX 260 / HD 4870.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Whitedog

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Clinkster
I don't see why people are saying the CPU will be the bottleneck. The rest of his PC will be. I'm afraid you'll have to build anew if you want performance.

your comment makes no sense because you contradict yourself in the end. if you really dont know why his cpu would be a bottleneck then you are clearly in the wrong place.

Makes perfect sense to me. He is simply saying he needs to replace the whole PC. NOT just the CPU.

If you can't understand that, you're clearly in the wrong place.

well thats the way YOU read it. the way it reads to me is that he was saying the cpu isnt the bottleneck but that the rest of the system was. after all thats the words he used. he most likely meant what you are saying but it was still not 100% clear from the way he worded it.

 

[ghostr]

thanks for your reply guys...appreciate all your comments

@Cusideabelincoln >>Question: you said "PCI-Express is backwards and forwards compatible" what do you mean by that?

Games I play: Games as off now would be fear 2, UT3, crysis warhead, call of duty, end war...basically a game which catches my attention...could be a rpg or strategy or first shooter.....as for the next year I am waiting on for starcraft 2 and diablo 3[love both of them]....think they should not ask as much as the above games....so which card would be better for the game I listed?....they are priced like >> 4870 @ 11800 AND GTX 260 @ 10500...the review I saw in youtube by tigerdirect showed that 4870 was better in frame rate than most card in its mid range card....BUT if you have experienced some thing different do share it....

Power Supply : well from the once u list i can get my hands on cool master or corsiar....but crosair is the costlier one @ 7200....I would go for cool master 600W @ 3900

I came across radeon 4870 hd X2...man love the review n spec...but JUST TOO COSTLY ...for a sec i did think about considering this option but the price tag helped me make my decision :frown:



@BryanW1995 >> wil check out PSU forum

@Schmide >>yup in India...well I too wish I could....so where u from?

@Shmee >> OC? if u meant over clock....well I dont as off now....but was thinking of....was checking out amd phenom 810 X4 on youtube....seemed nice.....as for p55 would it support a ddr3?...as for hdd got like 3 internal and 2 external ....no more hdd no space on my desk

@Others >> guys chill out...thank you too...i am gonna upgrade soon

 

[cusideabelincoln]

The only game out of the ones you mentioned which either card may have trouble running is Crysis Warhead. And from what I've seen, the GTX260 and HD4870 are basically in a dead heat tie in that game as well. So honestly, it doesn't really matter which card you get from what I know. Maybe someone else with experience with either or both cards can chime in, but I'm sure for those games you mentioned the cards are going to give you identical performance.

About the PSU: Do you know the model of the Cooler Master 600W? Is it labeled "eXtreme Power" or "Silent Pro"? If it's "eXtreme Power" then don't get it. The "eXtreme lineup" is weak and not that great, but the Silent Pro is pretty good. Here are some other brands for which to check availability: Silverstone, BFG, Tagan, Seventeam, Hiper, Xigmatek, FSP.

When I said "PCI-Express is backwards and forwards compatible" I meant any PCI-Express x16 video card will work in any PCI-Express x16 slot. There have been revisions to PCI-E. The current standard is 2.0, which offers twice the bandwidth of 1.1/1.0.

 

[ghostr]

we get cooler master(silent pro)....but when u say the eXtreme power is not that good....as in what exactly are it draw backs in eXtreme Version and which has been covered by Silent Pro??...or if u have a link which could enlighten me would be gr8....as for the brands CM,crosair and tagan are the only one i could find ....rest are local but their price are like dirt cheap getting a 700Watts for Rs1600($40)...lol....but the xtream 500 is 3300($90 or less)....but the silent pro 500Watts is like 5900($150)...

I was wondering how much difference dose this make bwt a LOCAL brand and a good Brabd like Cooler Master in the performance of the computer?

few more days and I should be with ma new gc

 

[ghostr]

regarding my 2nd Question....you did say 500W should be good enuf....right?

As I will be using the same power supply for my new assebly....where I would be using a Quad core and ddr3....so wat do u thing ?

I also realize that silent pro has a fan at the bottom of the unit.....in which case it would be blowing the air directly on the cpu and the graphic card....will that be advisable?...I am not sure if this fan on the power supply is to cool the unit.....OR.....is it to blow air inside the cpu???