Pledge of Allegiance Unconstitutional

[BDawg]

Just heard on CNN that a federal court in San Fransisco ruled that after the addition of "under God" to the PoA during the 50's endorses a Christian God and is therefore unconstitutional.

Nothing on the web page yet.

 

[pyonir]

they better change their money too then.

 

[Beau]

Oh well, pretty soon, everything will be ruled unconstitutional. The Royal Family will come from England at our time of chaos and by default of ownership, rule us under a monarchy.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Just heard on CNN that a federal court in San Fransisco ruled that after the addition of "under God" to the PoA during the 50's endorses a Christian God and is therefore unconstitutional.
Nothing on the web page yet.

1. The government can't force people to say it.
2. Yeah it's on our money. If the mere existence of the PoA is unconstitutional, then so is our national motto.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Scipionix

Originally posted by: BDawg
Just heard on CNN that a federal court in San Fransisco ruled that after the addition of "under God" to the PoA during the 50's endorses a Christian God and is therefore unconstitutional.
Nothing on the web page yet.

1. The government can't force people to say it.
2. Yeah it's on our money. If the mere existence of the PoA is unconstitutional, then so is our national motto.

Not the existance, just that phrase. It was added in the '50's, it can be removed.

 

[BDawg]

Personally, I think they should remove all reference towards any god from any government property or institution.

I prefer my religion and government seperate.

 

[Czar]

One question, why was this phrase added in the first place?

 

[BDawg]

Apparently, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the Congressional act of 1954 which added "Under God." to the pledge.

 

[Miramonti]

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[Beau]

Originally posted by: Czar
One question, why was this phrase added in the first place?

The last change in the Pledge of Allegiance occurred on June 14 (Flag Day), 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words "under God". As he authorized this change he said:

"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Czar
One question, why was this phrase added in the first place?

Because in the 50's the Religious Right had a stranglehold on the country, and if you didn't believe in GOD, you were a Communist.

Do some reading on Joseph McCarthy and the "red scare."

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Czar
One question, why was this phrase added in the first place?

To separate us from the godless Communists. But really, if our national motto is "In God We Trust," why can "under God" not be in our Pledge of Allegiance? What gives a court the power to strike out a phrase added by thhe elected representatives of the people, the Congress and the President, that has been part of mainstream culture for 50 years? That is the kind of dictatorial judicial activism that people like me hate.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Czar
One question, why was this phrase added in the first place?

Because in the 50's the Religious Right had a stranglehold on the country, and if you didn't believe in GOD, you were a Communist.
Do some reading on Joseph McCarthy and the "red scare."

The religious right as you know it did not exist in the 50s, and neither political party was closely allied with any religious group.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Scipionix

Originally posted by: Czar
One question, why was this phrase added in the first place?

To separate us from the godless Communists. But really, if our national motto is "In God We Trust," why can "under God" not be in our Pledge of Allegiance? What gives a court the power to strike out a phrase added by thhe elected representatives of the people, the Congress and the President, that has been part of mainstream culture for 50 years? That is the kind of dictatorial judicial activism that people like me hate.

okay, whatever.

 

[Lucky]

Wow! Im shocked! :Q

Im glad the SC had the balls to do this. The reference was unnecessary. However, in unofficial settings I dont think the recital will change. I think a lot of people will continue to use the phrase "under god".

edit: As pointed out to me, it was not the supreme court.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Personally, I think they should remove all reference towards any god from any government property or institution.

I prefer my religion and government seperate.

yep, and money and everything

 

[Czar]

thanks for the answers everyone

 

[Scipionix]

poll?

 

[Lucky]

But really, if our national motto is "In God We Trust,"

Here's hoping that will change too. Although that phrase was first instituted back in the 1800's, there wasnt a law making it mandatory to appear on coins until 1955 (although congress ordered it in the 20's, I think), and it wasnt a national motto until 1956. The previous (and still somewhat concurrent) motto was 'E Pluribus Unum' but in 1963 the government said the motto was "in god we trust".

I actually did a research project on this for my college freshman english class.

 

[pulse8]

I always wondered why that phrase was in there.

While it never bothered me that it was in there, personally, I think it should be removed.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Lucky
Wow! Im shocked! :Q

Im glad the SC had the balls to do this. The reference was unnecessary. However, in unofficial settings I dont think the recital will change. I think a lot of people will continue to use the phrase "under god".

It was the 9th Court of Appeals, not the Supreme Court.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: Lucky
Wow! Im shocked! :Q

Im glad the SC had the balls to do this. The reference was unnecessary. However, in unofficial settings I dont think the recital will change. I think a lot of people will continue to use the phrase "under god".

It was the 9th Court of Appeals, not the Supreme Court.

Ahhh...for some reason I read otherwise. Thanks for the correction. I now wonder if this will be overturned.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: Lucky
Wow! Im shocked! :Q

Im glad the SC had the balls to do this. The reference was unnecessary. However, in unofficial settings I dont think the recital will change. I think a lot of people will continue to use the phrase "under god".

It was the 9th Court of Appeals, not the Supreme Court.

Ahhh...for some reason I read otherwise. Thanks for the correction. I now wonder if this will be overturned.

Doubtfull. I agree with the ruling. It is legit, IMO.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Lucky

But really, if our national motto is "In God We Trust,"

Here's hoping that will change too. Although that phrase was first instituted back in the 1800's, there wasnt a law making it mandatory to appear on coins until 1955 (although congress ordered it in the 20's, I think), and it wasnt a national motto until 1956. The previous (and still somewhat concurrent) motto was 'E Pluribus Unum' but in 1963 the government said the motto was "in god we trust".

I actually did a research project on this for my college freshman english class.

It was actually the de facto motto from as early as 1864 and no later than 1908. While "In God we trust" is the official national motto, "E pluribus unum" is likewise considered a national motto.



The Great Seal and National Mottos of the United States

 

[Random Variable]

What if they changed it to "under God, Gods, or no God?"