Pledge of Allegiance Unconstitutional

[Random Variable]

I've never interpreted the phrase "under God" in the literal sense. To me "God" could be anything (e.g., a tree).

 

[HombrePequeno]

I think it's kind of weird that the whole thing wasn't thrown out during the anti-commie era. It was after all written by a socialist.

 

[Triumph]

i'd like to see it stay there merely for tradition's sake. it isn't really hurting anybody, and if you're seriously offended by it then you are way too PC. some people scream YES! FINALLY! as if it's like Lincoln just freed the slaves or something. come on.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Just to put this in context, the Ninth Circuit has a long history of uniquely liberal holdings, and this would not be the first time they were the lone circuit to apply a particular principle.

For my part, I think this is an interesting question: the Constitution says the government shall not "establish" a religion. From what I recall of this question in Con Law back in law school, the "under God" language was defended on the basis that it did not reflect an endorsement or establishment of any particular religion (as it would if it said "under Jesus," or "under Allah").

 

[Isla]

Just a quick comment on the parent who brought this to court in the first place:

Why not teach your kid that generally speaking, you will come across people every day who don't share your beliefs and it is best to just agree to disagree? Why teach your kids to sue every time something bothers you, like the words "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegience? Aren't there better things to worry about these days?

It is such a stupid little thing to put your time, money, and energy into. You are not going to convert the whole world to atheism or any other belief system, so why not just teach your kid to be a good person who knows how to live and let live?

That parent could have just seen to it that his daughter didn't have to recite the Pledge of Allegience... but I guess then the poor little darling would have felt left out. So he got the whole thing declared unconstitutional.

"My daddy is bigger than your daddy... "

 

[kgraeme]

Originally posted by: Triumph
i'd like to see it stay there merely for tradition's sake. it isn't really hurting anybody, and if you're seriously offended by it then you are way too PC. some people scream YES! FINALLY! as if it's like Lincoln just freed the slaves or something. come on.

It pains me every time I hear it. There is no god and thus the pledge with that statement suggests that I am not a citizen of this nation because I simply can't pledge allegiance to something that doesn't exist.

You may consider it trivial, but I absolutely do not.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: kgraeme

Originally posted by: Triumph
i'd like to see it stay there merely for tradition's sake. it isn't really hurting anybody, and if you're seriously offended by it then you are way too PC. some people scream YES! FINALLY! as if it's like Lincoln just freed the slaves or something. come on.

It pains me every time I hear it. There is no god and thus the pledge with that statement suggests that I am not a citizen of this nation because I simply can't pledge allegiance to something that doesn't exist.

You may consider it trivial, but I absolutely do not.

you're actually pledging allegiance to the flag and the national gov't.

 

[Isla]

BTW, I don't care if it is in there or not.

It just seems like a huge waste of time and money. There are more important battles to fight..

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: kgraeme

Originally posted by: Triumph
i'd like to see it stay there merely for tradition's sake. it isn't really hurting anybody, and if you're seriously offended by it then you are way too PC. some people scream YES! FINALLY! as if it's like Lincoln just freed the slaves or something. come on.

It pains me every time I hear it. There is no god and thus the pledge with that statement suggests that I am not a citizen of this nation because I simply can't pledge allegiance to something that doesn't exist.

You may consider it trivial, but I absolutely do not.

oh well. lighten up. if you seriously think it somehow lessens your citizenship, then you need to stop reading into it so much.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

I don't know if any of you even remember what the pledge of allegiance is. Its not about God. Its about an ideal that we would like to model our country after.

Edit: one Nation under God does not mean loyalty to god. But that the fact that the United States government is not the highest form of being. It means that its government is still responsable for its actions. Our government is not above the law.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

[Ramsnake]

Originally posted by: Triumph
i'd like to see it stay there merely for tradition's sake. it isn't really hurting anybody, and if you're seriously offended by it then you are way too PC. some people scream YES! FINALLY! as if it's like Lincoln just freed the slaves or something. come on.

what has being offended to a certain part got anything to do with political correctness...please stop and think clearly and please give an explanation to what you just mentioned abt being PC.

 

[JoeBaD]

It doesn't suprise me that "Lucky" and the rest of the liberal arsewipes on this forum would be happy with this decision.

The next time I have the opportunity to recite the pledge I will most certainly include the "under God".

... and I'd do it right in your liberal face.

fire-retardant suit on , arseholes!

 

[Red Dawn]

It doesn't suprise me that "Lucky" and the rest of the liberal arsewipes on this forum would be happy with this decision.

I'm not a Liberal and I support not having under God in the Pledge. I like the traditional Pleasge before it became to politicized.

and I'd do it right in your liberal face

It's a free country, you can say it (or not) however you feel like.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

It doesn't suprise me that "Lucky" and the rest of the liberal arsewipes on this forum would be happy with this decision.

I'm not a Liberal and I support not having under God in the Pledge. I like the traditional Pleasge before it became to politicized.

and I'd do it right in your liberal face

It's a free country, you can say it (or not) however you feel like.

Dont think I could have said it better. My response is word for word what his was.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

It doesn't suprise me that "Lucky" and the rest of the liberal arsewipes on this forum would be happy with this decision.

I'm not a Liberal and I support not having under God in the Pledge

Same here. You're making an arsehole of yourself, JoeBaD.

 

[Ramsnake]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
I don't know if any of you even remember what the pledge of allegiance is. Its not about God. Its about an ideal that we would like to model our country after.

Edit: one Nation under God does not mean loyalty to god. But that the fact that the United States government is not the highest form of being. It means that its government is still responsable for its actions.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

here we go again, more manipulating by interpreting things to suit your (generally speaking) argument for inclusion of pro-religious memorabilia in the society. i thought pledges and laws were supposed to be clear and not freakin bob dylan songs which can be deciphered into n number of ways.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Ramsnake

Originally posted by: Triumph
i'd like to see it stay there merely for tradition's sake. it isn't really hurting anybody, and if you're seriously offended by it then you are way too PC. some people scream YES! FINALLY! as if it's like Lincoln just freed the slaves or something. come on.

what has being offended to a certain part got anything to do with political correctness...please stop and think clearly and please give an explanation to what you just mentioned abt being PC.

?????? It has everything to do with it. "being offended to a certain part" is practically the DEFINITION of political correctness! What is the rage of PC in this country all about? WORDS. You can't say retarded, you have to say "mentally challenged", you can't say black, you have to say "african american." etc etc etc. why? because someone might be offended. Not hurt. Not in any way worse off than they were 5 minutes ago. Just offended. Now here in this case, you can't say "Under God" because you're offending someone. I don't understand where your confusion lies.

 

[Mill]

This isn't that big of a deal. The 9th circuit always has stupid liberal rulings like this and then they are overturned. I bet a 100$ to anyone right now that the Supreme Court will overturn this. They should too.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JoeBaD
It doesn't suprise me that "Lucky" and the rest of the liberal arsewipes on this forum would be happy with this decision.

The next time I have the opportunity to recite the pledge I will most certainly include the "under God".

... and I'd do it right in your liberal face.

fire-retardant suit on , arseholes!

It's negative brain power like yours that gives intelligent "conservatives" a bad name. Here we were having an interesting, spirited discussion, and the best you can come up with is crap like that?

You can say your pledge any way you wish, but if you want to throw your lame attitude in my face, you'll have to kiss my ass for a few years, first. :|

<sarcasm> My god can lick your god any time, and I'm an atheist. Neener, neener, neener!

</sarcasm>

 

[Red Dawn]

bet a 100$ to anyone right now that the Supreme Court will overturn this,They should too.

Why?

 

[Ramsnake]

Now here in this case, you can't say "Under God" because you're offending someone. I don't understand where your confusion lies.

i think we have a mis-understanding here, the person didnt file the suit because he was offended by someone else saying "under god", instead it was because he didnt want his daughter ( a young impressionable mind) to be drilled with certain "powerful" thoughts which go against his values . He certainly has that right doesnt he?

 

[LH]

Well damn when will marriage laws be deemed unconstitutional. Afterall marriage has always been a religious institution. If "under God" in the PoA is unconstitutional, because it "violates seperation of church and state" then damn the government should have no involvement in marriage either.

 

[glenn1]

Why is the wording of the pledge even an issue being addressed by the court? Suits and rulings like this have NOTHING to do with what our judicial branch of government is supposed to be doing. Since when did our court system become the forum for discussing what is arguably a work of literature and a meaningless fiat act of Congress? What next, do they rule the Star Spangled Banner unconstitutional because the opening words, "Oh say can you see" discriminate against the blind? Some day, i hope all you "living document Constitution" proponents wake the hell up and smell the coffee.

 

[Red Dawn]

Afterall marriage has always been a religious institution

Yeah right

Under God was added for Political Reasons. It should never have been added in the first place. Let's keep the Pledge as it was opriginally written.

 

[Amused]

I'm not liberal. However, I agree with this decision. "Under God" and "In God We Trust" should never have been added. Not only was it not the original intent of our Founding Fathers, it goes 180 degrees from their wish to separate the church from the state.

I don't care what any other individual or private organization says or endorses. They have the freedom to offend me all they want, or to push as many religious ideas they want. My government does not, though.

Remember, it is the very separation of the church from the state and our government's religious neutrality that guarantees our religious freedom in this country.