Originally posted by: LH
Well damn when will marriage laws be deemed unconstitutional. Afterall marriage has always been a religious institution. If "under God" in the PoA is unconstitutional, because it "violates seperation of church and state" then damn the government should have no involvement in marriage either.
Originally posted by: Ramsnake
Now here in this case, you can't say "Under God" because you're offending someone. I don't understand where your confusion lies.
i think we have a mis-understanding here, the person didnt file the suit because he was offended by someone else saying "under god", instead it was because he didnt want his daughter ( a young impressionable mind) to be drilled with certain "powerful" thoughts which go against his values . He certainly has that right doesnt he?
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Why?bet a 100$ to anyone right now that the Supreme Court will overturn this,They should too.
Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: Ramsnake
Now here in this case, you can't say "Under God" because you're offending someone. I don't understand where your confusion lies.
i think we have a mis-understanding here, the person didnt file the suit because he was offended by someone else saying "under god", instead it was because he didnt want his daughter ( a young impressionable mind) to be drilled with certain "powerful" thoughts which go against his values . He certainly has that right doesnt he?
Again, people take things way too far. Sure, he has the right to protect his kids and teach them his values. But are those three words seriously going to suddenly convince his daughter to join some religious cult and he'll never see her again? It may be good intentioned, but it just takes it TOO FAR.
"In recent years, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned 27 of 29 9th Circuit decisions so that tells you that the 9th Circuit is out of step with the rest of the federal judiciary,"
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well hopefully it will be 27 out of 30.
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Read below "in the Year of our Lord"
So are all of you telling me that the ratification of the Constitution is it self unconstitutional???
Well?
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
GEORGE WASHINGTON--
Presidt. and deputy from Virginia
[Signed also by the deputies of twelve States.]
New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman
Delaware
Geo: Read
Gunning Bedford jun
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jaco: Broom
Massachusetts
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Maryland
James MCHenry
Dan: of St. Thos. Jenifer
Danl Carroll
Connecticut
Wm. Saml. Johnson
Roger Sherman
Virginia
John Blair--
James Madison Jr.
New Jersey
Wil: Livingston
David Brearley.
Wm. Paterson.
Jona: Dayton
North Carolina
Wm. Blount
Richd. Dobbs Spaight.
Hu Williamson
Pennsylvania
B Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robt. Morris
Geo. Clymer
Thos. FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
James Wilson
Gouv Morris
South Carolina
J. Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler
Georgia
William Few
Abr Baldwin
Attest:
William Jackson, Secretary
If they really wanted to have a chance of not getting overturned they should have made the two words unconstitutional. The 9th circuit has a collective brain the size of a pea.
Originally posted by: Triumph
Again, people take things way too far. Sure, he has the right to protect his kids and teach them his values. But are those three words seriously going to suddenly convince his daughter to join some religious cult and he'll never see her again? It may be good intentioned, but it just takes it TOO FAR.
Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
Is nobody here religious, or believes that this country wasn't FOUNDED with a firm stronghold in The Faith of God? I can't believe most of you are in favor of this crap. :| The insertion of "under God" was NOT a 'political hack'- you guys make me sick. If we're not a Nation under God, who are we as a Nation 'under'? Politically correct bastards from California (not surprised where this ruling came from) who are trying to undermine our history and tradition? I'm not. Adding "under God" to the allegiance was the right thing to do, although adding "under Jesus Christ" would probably have gone too far, even though I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. Despite what you hear on the biased, brainwashing Clinton News Network, this Nation does not side as a whole with extremist left-wingers from the west coast, which is what Ted Turner's wet dreams would like for you to believe. I can't wait to read the articles and hear the interviews of the backlash from the Right in the coming days on this. :frown:
This is changing the traditional beliefs of America to favor a wider range of people, which I'm not in favor of. Everyone here certainly has the right to freedom of speech, but if you're going to come to my Country or keep living here, to reap the benefits and virtues it provides because of the foundations of democracy, capitalism, a Faith in God, and especially the great men and women who *fought for it* (re: all very serious things), you're damn sure going to at least deal with our beliefs and traditions, without so much as a mouse fart from protestors. This isn't about going on strike for better working conditions in a factory, or to seek worker's comp from a mis-managed corporation who screwed your retirement plans or 401k, this is the foundation of what makes it all exist in the first place- The United States of America. If I moved to Karachi, I certainly wouldn't try to raise a ruckus in the streets to change policy, with even a thousand like-minded individuals, who severely under-number the citizens of that city and country who have been following the same beliefs and traditions for ('x' years; honestly don't know how long Pakistan has been under their current form of government) and favor otherwise.
My Pledge of Allegiance will go unchanged.
Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
Is nobody here religious, or believes that this country wasn't FOUNDED with a firm stronghold in The Faith of God? I can't believe most of you are in favor of this crap. :| The insertion of "under God" was NOT a 'political hack'- you guys make me sick. If we're not a Nation under God, who are we as a Nation 'under'? Politically correct bastards from California (not surprised where this ruling came from) who are trying to undermine our history and tradition? I'm not. Adding "under God" to the allegiance was the right thing to do, although adding "under Jesus Christ" would probably have gone too far, even though I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. Despite what you hear on the biased, brainwashing Clinton News Network, this Nation does not side as a whole with extremist left-wingers from the west coast, which is what Ted Turner's wet dreams would like for you to believe. I can't wait to read the articles and hear the interviews of the backlash from the Right in the coming days on this. :frown:
This is changing the traditional beliefs of America to favor a wider range of people, which I'm not in favor of. Everyone here certainly has the right to freedom of speech, but if you're going to come to my Country or keep living here, to reap the benefits and virtues it provides because of the foundations of democracy, capitalism, a Faith in God, and especially the great men and women who *fought for it* (re: all very serious things), you're damn sure going to at least deal with our beliefs and traditions, without so much as a mouse fart from protestors. This isn't about going on strike for better working conditions in a factory, or to seek worker's comp from a mis-managed corporation who screwed your retirement plans or 401k, this is the foundation of what makes it all exist in the first place- The United States of America. If I moved to Karachi, I certainly wouldn't try to raise a ruckus in the streets to change policy, with even a thousand like-minded individuals, who severely under-number the citizens of that city and country who have been following the same beliefs and traditions for ('x' years; honestly don't know how long Pakistan has been under their current form of government) and favor otherwise.
My Pledge of Allegiance will go unchanged.
Originally posted by: Dually
The under God part was added in the 1920s.
Originally posted by: kgraeme
Originally posted by: Triumph
Again, people take things way too far. Sure, he has the right to protect his kids and teach them his values. But are those three words seriously going to suddenly convince his daughter to join some religious cult and he'll never see her again? It may be good intentioned, but it just takes it TOO FAR.
It was our government that took things too far when they added those three words. Many schools after 9/11 have reinstated the mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge includes brainwashing to the effect that there is some existence of a god. And yes, brainwashing is not too strong a term for it considering the reasons why it was added in the first place.
Our nation is of the people. Those people are free to believe in a god or not, but the government cannot require them to believe in a god which is the essence of those three words in the Pledge.
Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
Is nobody here religious, or believes that this country wasn't FOUNDED with a firm stronghold in The Faith of God? I can't believe most of you are in favor of this crap. :| The insertion of "under God" was NOT a 'political hack'- you guys make me sick. If we're not a Nation under God, who are we as a Nation 'under'? Politically correct bastards from California (not surprised where this ruling came from) who are trying to undermine our history and tradition? I'm not. Adding "under God" to the allegiance was the right thing to do, although adding "under Jesus Christ" would probably have gone too far, even though I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. Despite what you hear on the biased, brainwashing Clinton News Network, this Nation does not side as a whole with extremist left-wingers from the west coast, which is what Ted Turner's wet dreams would like for you to believe. I can't wait to read the articles and hear the interviews of the backlash from the Right in the coming days on this. :frown:
This is changing the traditional beliefs of America to favor a wider range of people, which I'm not in favor of. Everyone here certainly has the right to freedom of speech, but if you're going to come to my Country or keep living here, to reap the benefits and virtues it provides because of the foundations of democracy, capitalism, a Faith in God, and especially the great men and women who *fought for it* (re: all very serious things), you're damn sure going to at least deal with our beliefs and traditions, without so much as a mouse fart from protestors. This isn't about going on strike for better working conditions in a factory, or to seek worker's comp from a mis-managed corporation who screwed your retirement plans or 401k, this is the foundation of what makes it all exist in the first place- The United States of America. If I moved to Karachi, I certainly wouldn't try to raise a ruckus in the streets to change policy, with even a thousand like-minded individuals, who severely under-number the citizens of that city and country who have been following the same beliefs and traditions for ('x' years; honestly don't know how long Pakistan has been under their current form of government) and favor otherwise.
My Pledge of Allegiance will go unchanged.
Originally posted by: Lucky
I was stopped on the street about an hour ago and interviewed by a camera crew about this. Dont know who they represented but I told them what I thought.
Originally posted by: Dual700s
I'm tired of having others beliefs shoved down my throat---that's right--I'm sick and tired of peoples ATHEIST beliefs being FORCED upon me by the government, the ACLU, and every other group of people that want to FORCE their ideas on me.
argument works both ways, doesn't it?