Pledge of Allegiance Unconstitutional

[Tripleshot]

This judge is going to be looking for a job at walmart as a door greeter next time he comes up for re election or confirmation.

Those that don't like the term "God" injected in their lives, quit using our currency and don't seek redress in a court in the US. If asked to tell the truth, you must declare to do so"so help you God".

I have never figured how some of you can claim to be athiest as a badge of honor. To me, and most others, we just view you as quite confused, and in need of Gods help.

To claim that I can't pledge alliegence to my God in public and with an overt action is unconstitiutional. It's called free speach. The same thing that allows us to express our views here, thank God!

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Ramsnake
you still dont get it do you

in lay man terms, the ruling is you can refer to god if you want to, whereas the original was you have to refer to god. if you dont understand that , then you are insisting me to look at you as a religious fanatic.

No, you didn't have to say the Pledge or refer to God if you didn't want to. There are no party officials keeping files on people who don't say the Pledge when everyone else does.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
NightFlyerGTI

The Supreme Court wouldn't even consider such a fallacy.

It's not a fallacy. The fallacy is that you believe that public Schools should force the belief of your Mythology on the students by including "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. If you suckers had it your way the US would be like the Mass. Bay Colony or even worse, a Christian Al Qaeda. Now not all Christians are Fund A Mental Cases like you and they realize that there should be a seperation of Church and State.

Thanks for the good laugh on your taking-things-out-of-proportion post!

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: xirtam
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..."

If the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, so is the Declaration of Independence.

Great post.

It would be nonsensical to say that we have alienable rights without referring to some higher being or force.

The Declaration of Independence was written before the constitution. It is a historical document, not a legally binding document.

 

[Ramsnake]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Most of the points I would have made are made above.



The dechristianization of America will take time.

you mean dereligionization ....you speak like only christianity is at fault....

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

The deliberate removal of "under God" could hardly be considered anything but an attempt by nonreligious to alter the status quo.

The Status Quo was altered by the Religious 40 years ago. Todays ruling just remedied that blatant attempt by the Political Right to force their beliefs on the Population at large.

As I have said numerous times now, it was not forced on anyone. When the elected representatives of the people make a law, that law can reasonably said to represent the will of the people. If the elected representatives of the people do not repeal a law, then it can be assumed that that law still represents the will of the people. That is how our system has always worked.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: VespasianIt would be nonsensical to say that we have inalienable rights without referring to some higher being or force.

Thanks, I'm glad someone else recognizes that If these rights did not come from something or someone besides man, i.e. besides ourselves, they would not be inalienable and our whole political philosophy would collapse

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: xirtam
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..."

If the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, so is the Declaration of Independence.

...and our motto, currency, President, anyone who puts their hand on a Bible before a court hearing (maybe even this one, ironically)... the list goes on to comical proportions in this case!

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I have never figured how some of you can claim to be athiest as a badge of honor. To me, and most others, we just view you as quite confused, and in need of Gods help.

I don't wear my athieism as a badge of honor at all, actually rarely tell anyone, because it is MY business. i never figured how some of you can claim to be christian as a badge of honor. To most, athiests just view you as quite confused and following the other sheep around without questioning where they are leading you.


(take note: i never said *I* view christians this way, because most everyone i know is christian, and that is their business. I respect your beliefs, and i expect the same in return. when are people going to realize this?)

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: Ramsnake

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Most of the points I would have made are made above.



The dechristianization of America will take time.

you mean dereligionization ....you speak like only christianity is at fault....

Well....it is....

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: xirtam
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..."

If the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, so is the Declaration of Independence.

Great post.

It would be nonsensical to say that we have inalienable rights without referring to some higher being or force.

The Declaration of Independence was written before the constitution. It is a historical document, not a legally binding document.

The Declaration of Independence is the foundation of the U.S. Constitution. You can't separate the two documents like that.

 

[Ramsnake]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
This judge is going to be looking for a job at walmart as a door greeter next time he comes up for re election or confirmation.

Those that don't like the term "God" injected in their lives, quit using our currency and don't seek redress in a court in the US. If asked to tell the truth, you must declare to do so"so help you God".

I have never figured how some of you can claim to be athiest as a badge of honor. To me, and most others, we just view you as quite confused, and in need of Gods help.

To claim that I can't pledge alliegence to my God in public and with an overt action is unconstitiutional. It's called free speach. The same thing that allows us to express our views here, thank God!

Now is that comedy?.....ROFL....thanks for the laugh....

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
The Supreme Court wouldn't even consider such a fallacy.

I believe the fallacy is your mythological diety. You may disagree. That is your Constitutional right. It's also mine, and I will greatly appreciate not having your particular beliefs shoved down my throat any time I choose to declare my allegience to the U.S.

Don't pledge your allegiance to this Nation if you're going to deny a major factor in its foundation and those who founded it- you can't omit one of the structural supports and expect it to stand.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

For anyone who happens to be siding with me on this, I've realized there's nothing to fret over long-term.

Well Jeebus has this to say about that

And the Pope adds his 2 cents

Uncalled for.

 

[Red Dawn]

have never figured how some of you can claim to be athiest as a badge of honor. To me, and most others, we just view you as quite confused, and in need of Gods help. To claim that I can't pledge alliegence to my God in public and with an overt action is unconstitiutional. It's called free speach. The same thing that allows us to express our views here, thank God!

Look whose confused Tripleshot, no one ever said you can't pledge your allegiance to your mythical Diety. And as far as us being able to express our views here, I can't begin to count the number of times someone has expressed their views here that you didn't agree with where you ended up emailing them threatening them with physical violence. Most of us who haven't the emotional issues you have often look upon you as the one who is confused and in need of some kind of helpful intervention.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Scipionix
Since the existence of God cannot be proven or disprove, atheism is as much a "religion" as any other.

Hardly. Atheism is the absence of religion, or better yet freedom from religion. However, even accepting your definition, equality demands that those who believe in such a "religion" have a right not to have your religion, or your religious definitions of any supposed deity, blatantly favored above theirs.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: Scipionix

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
The Supreme Court wouldn't even consider such a fallacy.

I believe the fallacy is your mythological diety. You may disagree. That is your Constitutional right. It's also mine, and I will greatly appreciate not having your particular beliefs shoved down my throat any time I choose to declare my allegience to the U.S.

Since the existence of God cannot be proven or disprove, atheism is as much a "religion" as any other.

That was funny too! athiesm is an organization- a religion is "a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny" or an "institution to express belief in a divine power" (WordWeb 1.6 - WordNet database, (c) 1997 Princeton University). What in the world is athiesm's supernatural power that controls human destiny? Lol...

 

[Red Dawn]

Uncalled for.

Who says, you? Hmmm..He enjoyed it

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
The dechristianization of America will take time.

You have GOT to be kidding. ROTFL!

 

[Ramsnake]

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI

Don't pledge your allegiance to this Nation if you're going to deny a major factor in its foundation and those who founded it- you can't omit one of the structural supports and expect it to stand.

dude, im trying to be cool here, but time and again a few statements here and there ...... but i dont wanna get banned.


using your logic ....does that mean you support slavery because it was there at the time of independence?


and all of you trying to bring up the declaration of independence, just STFU.....the declaration of independence is a historical artifact, understand? by changing the words in that, you will not change what the founding fathers stated when we the independence. where as this is the "PLEDGE" of allegiance, get it????????????????????????????? PLEDGE and not declaration.

 

[xirtam]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: xirtam
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..."

If the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, so is the Declaration of Independence.

Great post.

It would be nonsensical to say that we have inalienable rights without referring to some higher being or force.

The Declaration of Independence was written before the constitution. It is a historical document, not a legally binding document.

The Declaration of Independence is the foundation of the U.S. Constitution. You can't separate the two documents like that.

Thanks, Vespasian. I'm glad somebody understands what I'm trying to say. I'm comparing the Declaration of Independence to the Pledge of Allegiance, which is also not a legally binding document. I'm also showing that the idea that the "under God" clause was merely characteristic of a Red Scare during a small part of America's history is total BS. The attitude stretches way back to the foundation of America's belief in supporting inalienable rights granted to us by a Creator.

Personally, I think we never should have split from England. It'd save a bundle of trouble.

Have a cup of tea and be happy.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

For anyone who happens to be siding with me on this, I've realized there's nothing to fret over long-term.

Well Jeebus has this to say about that

And the Pope adds his 2 cents

Uncalled for.

But still pretty damn funny nonetheless.

 

[SuperTool]

We should have one pledge of allegiance for all people, not just ones who believe in god. It's a travesty that a divisive statement like "under god" was added right before the word indivisible.
ACLU has nothing to do with it. I don't want my tax dollars promoting religion, and indoctrinating young kids who don't know any better.
We are not the Taliban here, schools should not be promoting religion. If you want to live in a right wing religious state, go to Afganistan.

 

[Scipionix]

Originally posted by: Ramsnakeusing your logic ....does that mean you support slavery because it was there at the time of independence?

Actually your comparison is totally invalid since slavery was expressly outlawed by the 13th Amendment. I grand you leave to amend your argument.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
Don't pledge your allegiance to this Nation if you're going to deny a major factor in its foundation and those who founded it- you can't omit one of the structural supports and expect it to stand.

What in the world is athiesm's supernatural power that controls human destiny? Lol...

Deities??? We don't need no stinkin' deities.

I'm more worried about the horrible spelling and grammar I see posted on this forum. It reflects a total breakdown of our educational system. I'm also appalled by how many people post their willingness to rip off intellectual property, including software and music. How many of these people among your holy rolling rooting section? If the fundamental strength of our nation relies on the existence of some mythological fantasy god, we're in even deeper sh8 than I imagined.