Plot hole in Minority Report?

[Juice Box]

I finnaly re-watched Minority Report with a close eye...and have come to the question....how in the hell did Lamar Burgess fake the prevision of Tom Cruise killing Leo Crow? Granted cruise DID kill him.....but he would have never known had there not been a prevision....and I thought we were told previsions were impossible to fake.....so how did that prevision come about? Anyone care to explain??

 

[jonessoda]

He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

 

[PlatinumGold]

sorry but "minority" report is racist. it has to be, it has the word minority in it.

 

[Juice Box]

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

That is different from it being fake.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

and you needed a close eye to figure this out?

 

[Amused]

Plot hole: There is no such thing as ESP or telling of the future.

 

[computeerrgghh]

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

Its the same way John Conner would not have been born if he hadn't sent his father from the future back to protect his mother (in Terminator 1). You just need to let it go.

 

[Juice Box]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

That is different from it being fake.

right, but I still have no explaination on how the prevision was "created" because cruise would not have killed Crowe had he not seen that prevision....its a paradox in that you cant have B without A...but A cannot exist without B

 

[Anonemous]

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

Its the same way John Conner would not have been born if he hadn't sent his father from the future back to protect his mother (in Terminator 1). You just need to let it go.

that just boggles the mind don't it...

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

That is different from it being fake.

right, but I still have no explaination on how the prevision was "created" because cruise would not have killed Crowe had he not seen that prevision....its a paradox in that you cant have B without A...but A cannot exist without B

It's kind of a paradox, but that is irrelevant. Crime rates wouldn't have gone down had it not been for the precogs, but that doesn't mean they predict things that would have happened if they didn't exist.

 

[NFS4]

Goodbye Crowe

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

That is different from it being fake.

right, but I still have no explaination on how the prevision was "created" because cruise would not have killed Crowe had he not seen that prevision....its a paradox in that you cant have B without A...but A cannot exist without B

Cruise was supposed to kill Crowe after seeing the prevision...

 

[GML3G0]

Crow's family was going to be given compensation for being killed. So the old guy (can't remember his name) that was framing Cruise was going to lead him to Crow one way or another. That's why the pre-cogs saw the vision.

 

[Juice Box]

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: jonessoda
He didn't fake it. It happened exactly as shown in the prevision, if I remember correctly, except it was a suicide, not really a murder, but it's still a purposeful death.

right...but it WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED had Cruise not seen that prevision.......thats my point

That is different from it being fake.

right, but I still have no explaination on how the prevision was "created" because cruise would not have killed Crowe had he not seen that prevision....its a paradox in that you cant have B without A...but A cannot exist without B

Cruise was supposed to kill Crowe after seeing the prevision...

I understand that....but had he not seen the prevision...he wouldnt have even thought to kill Crowe.....

 

[randomlinh]

wow... it's just a movie...

 

[simms]

Uh, don't forget precogs also have conflicts. Agatha is just the master one of them all, so it's possible the one that was registered was visioned by the guys... and Agatha saw the real one (the one that acutally happened after the "time to die").

 

[dafatha00]

Yeah, I've always wondered about that plot hole from the first time I saw the movie.

That's a huge plot hole IMO.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: GML3G0
Crow's family was going to be given compensation for being killed. So the old guy (can't remember his name) that was framing Cruise was going to lead him to Crow one way or another. That's why the pre-cogs saw the vision.

Right. It was set up to happen, so the pre-cogs saw it.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Amused
Plot hole: There is no such thing as ESP or telling of the future.

:thumbsup:

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Amused
Plot hole: There is no such thing as ESP or telling of the future.

ROFLMFAO!!!!

 

[mesonw]

You should know better than to query plot holes in films that are based around future events.
There IS no answer. Unless you consider the possibility of parallel and converging universes... oh dear, i've become all para-philosophical now :disgust:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: simms
Uh, don't forget precogs also have conflicts. Agatha is just the master one of them all, so it's possible the one that was registered was visioned by the guys... and Agatha saw the real one (the one that acutally happened after the "time to die").

Yup. In fact that's a major subplot, thus the title of the movie.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Amused
Plot hole: There is no such thing as ESP or telling of the future.

Yeah, that's definitely a 'plot hole' in a 'FICTIONAL' movie. Beware Hollywood, Amused has caught onto your use of fiction!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Amused
Plot hole: There is no such thing as ESP or telling of the future.

Yeah, that's definitely a 'plot hole' in a 'FICTIONAL' movie. Beware Hollywood, Amused has caught onto your use of fiction!

One requirement of fiction is the ability to suspend disbelief.