plot to blow up aircraft

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: dwell
Waits for the liberals to jump in and claim it's time to keep people scared in time for November elections.

so sad, but someone probably believes that.

 

[techs]

I blame Bush.

 

[CaptnKirk]

It will be interesting to see how well the story line holds up after a week of two of investigation and post traumatic analysis.

Maybe just rumor and inuendo alone is enough to disrupt society - all done without any real weapons as a psycho-ops threat.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Trente

So far 21 suspects - believed to be British citizens, many of Pakistani origin - have been arrested in overnight raids.

Surprise, surprise.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. From what I've heard, some of the Pakistani British kids in UK feel so disillusioned that they've turned into criminals and now potential terrorists--especially after being brainwashed by some extremist mullahs that are given free reign in England. Pakistan itself is even a source of terror sponsorship, they helped nurture Taliban (with Saudi funds) and kept Afghanistan under their thumb of terror for quite a long time. They've also been doing the same thing to India via proxy. Musharaff isn't any different, he's using the West to continue to build his arsenal and nobody is doing anything about it all the while he pays lip service to the US by nabbing a few dumb ass villagers in western pakistan--not the real terrorists because all of them are in the Pakistani ISI/military. Want to get rid of terrorism tomorrow? Ok then here's what you have to do:

1. Overthrow the Saudi leadership and give them real democracy and get rid of their Wahabbi 14th century Arab culture of death and terror that they export (their second largest commodity after oil).
2. Threaten Pakistan with military action unless they finally take care of their ISI proxy terrorism and then have Musharaff step down and let democracy take root again. Solve the Kashmir issue once and for all.
3. Move in with NATO/Lebanese troops and clean out Hezbollah by searching each and every home--not bombing civilians from the sky like Israel does.
4. Get serious about a Palestinian state and create one but make sure there's enough buffer room so that they can't sneak into Israel and blow themselves up (you never know about Pals).
5. Secure our borders once and for all and don't penalize border agents for doing their jobs.

I think I understand you now Joker... you are a good hearted incredibly naive person.

1) How do you recommend overthrowing Saudi's leadership... there are these 2 little cities in Saudi Arabia... called Mecca and Medina.. the two holiest cities in all of Islam. If we were to even hint at going into Saudi Arabia on a military offensive, muslims in our own country would go apesh1t.
2)Hey Musharaff.... step down... Musharaff says... ummm no... we say... uhhh please?
3)I'm sure Hezbollah would complacantly hand over their arms when a Nato soldier shows up at their door... sure sir... here are my Ak47s and my Bomb belt... would you like a cup of tea?
4)Where would this buffer zone exist exactly? Have you ever been to Israel? The west Bank and Gaza strip ARE the buffer zones.
5)Yes that is the goal... but the question is not what? it is how?.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It will be interesting to see how well the story line holds up after a week of two of investigation and post traumatic analysis.

Maybe just rumor and inuendo alone is enough to disrupt society - all done without any real weapons as a psycho-ops threat.

You mean like this one: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/22/miami.raids/ ?

 

[zendari]

Good thing he was caught. Excellent job with new techniques by the Bush administration.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: dwell
Waits for the liberals to jump in and claim it's time to keep people scared in time for November elections.

so sad, but someone probably believes that.

I don't know that anyone's claiming that... I'm certainly not; but I can't say it would be outside the realm of possibility. Why was the terror alert raised on July 29, 2004, for example?

If they foiled a plot and prevented innocent people from being killed, I'm glad for it, and I hope they remain vigilant in their efforts to maintain security. And assuming everything is just a conspiracy is silly. But at the same time, I think it valid to at least be inquisitive, as the days have long since passed when we can assume that our governmental representatives are always looking out for our best interests.

 

[linkgoron]

OMG wait but maybe this is just a cover for a cover of another attack!

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[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: dwell
Waits for the liberals to jump in and claim it's time to keep people scared in time for November elections.

so sad, but someone probably believes that.

I don't know that anyone's claiming that... I'm certainly not; but I can't say it would be outside the realm of possibility. Why was the terror alert raised on July 29, 2004, for example?

If they foiled a plot and prevented innocent people from being killed, I'm glad for it, and I hope they remain vigilant in their efforts to maintain security. And assuming everything is just a conspiracy is silly. But at the same time, I think it valid to at least be inquisitive, as the days have long since passed when we can assume that our governmental representatives are always looking out for our best interests.

you just contradicted yourself.

 

[Trianon]

Originally posted by: zendari
Good thing he was caught. Excellent job with new techniques by the Bush administration.

hahaha, had to laugh at this gem

 

[ayabe]

This sort of stuff really boggles my mind, what were they hoping to accomplish? I can't comprehend the mindset of these people, I would never be able to kill someone and live with it, let alone hundreds or thousands of people.

The only time I would take a life would be in defense of myself or someone I loved and even then I'm sure I would have issues.

None of this stems from any religious beliefs but just human nature in general, murder of another human being is not a natural act and somehow these people feel that killing a bunch of others who haven't caused harm to them is going to get them closer to God.

Until we "deprogram" these muslim fundamentalists, christian fundies, zionist fundies these problems won't go away. That is the only solution, we can't just bomb their training camps and arrest their mullahs, all it takes is 1-5 guys who are motivated to do harm and there's not much anyone can do to stop them and if we do it's because they were careless.

I think we dodged a bullet on this one.

 

[kage69]

Wow. That really could have turned out nasty. Kudos to organizations who take their jobs seriously and don't get caught up in ego-driven departmental brinkmanship

MI5 looks much more lean and mean and focused on terrorism , where Homeland Security seems like a multi headed lumbering behemoth.
I reminds me of the saying Jack of all trades and master of none.

I'm not sure why, even that gives the Dept. of HS more credit than it's due. MI5 is an altogether different animal, true, but don't forget that it's also been around far longer and has way more operational experience in counter-terrorism.

Katrina was a great chance for HS to show it's mettle, but we all know how that panned out...

Waits for the liberals to jump in and claim it's time to keep people scared in time for November elections.

You might be waiting awhile, they probably realized this was a British incident and that we're just being 'kept in the know' by our British cousins in this matter. Pity you didn't.
Unless you were really just trying to insinuate that liberals are saying a terror plot in Britain, run by Pakistani Brits, and prevented by the British government is all an effort to affect the US democratic process... In that case, link?

And they say the liberals won't stop reaching :roll:

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: dwell
Waits for the liberals to jump in and claim it's time to keep people scared in time for November elections.

so sad, but someone probably believes that.

I don't know that anyone's claiming that... I'm certainly not; but I can't say it would be outside the realm of possibility. Why was the terror alert raised on July 29, 2004, for example?

If they foiled a plot and prevented innocent people from being killed, I'm glad for it, and I hope they remain vigilant in their efforts to maintain security. And assuming everything is just a conspiracy is silly. But at the same time, I think it valid to at least be inquisitive, as the days have long since passed when we can assume that our governmental representatives are always looking out for our best interests.

you just contradicted yourself.

How? By saying that it is not inconceivable that things might get hyped, at times, for political purposes or skewed to misrepresent the facts? Obviously, they do... and by all political parties and governments.

With what little I know now, I assume that the facts are as they have been presented and that the british were successful in thwarting a terror plot. And if so, bravo to them. But if it is outside the realm of possibility that information could be misrepresented, then explain the hikes in the terror alert levels as polls dropped or after the Democratic Convention for no credible reason or the recent group of 7 haitians who were, at first, made out to be terrorist masterminds. If it is inconceivable that authorities would skew information to make themselves look better, explain how Jean Charles de Menezes was represented by Scotland Yard immediately after they shot him and how facts changed in the days after.

Again, I have no reason to disbelieve what I've heard of this story, so far. But I do have reason to at least want to hear some more about any story and not immediately label anyone who is inquisitive about official stories as being nuts and lump them all in with tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: dwell
Waits for the liberals to jump in and claim it's time to keep people scared in time for November elections.

This is NOT a ploy for november elections, it was a real terrorist threat, and I about as left wing as you can get. So please, keep your inaccurate, blanket descriptions of liberals to yourself.
I am still trying to figure out why we aren't actively going after bin laden. He should have been caught, tried and executed by now. FFS, they can find saddam in a rat hole. He's 6'5", with ailing kidneys, should be pretty easy to pick out.
So, no, I do NOT think this is a ploy for the november elections, however, if there are no other threats and this instance carries out beyond August, yea, I'd go the ploy route.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: zendari
Good thing he was caught. Excellent job with new techniques by the Bush administration.

Weren't they caught in the UK? By Scotland Yard, et al?
dumbya isn't concerned about catching terrorists, just using them to "catapult the propaganda"

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Trente

So far 21 suspects - believed to be British citizens, many of Pakistani origin - have been arrested in overnight raids.

Surprise, surprise.

Oh damn, thought they were swedes!

Profilling doesnt work, didnt you hear?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It will be interesting to see how well the story line holds up after a week of two of investigation and post traumatic analysis.

Maybe just rumor and inuendo alone is enough to disrupt society - all done without any real weapons as a psycho-ops threat.

Dont you mean after a week of nitpicking and over analyzing with a little bit of conspiracy theory?

 

[CycloWizard]

I predicted the coming of a liquid ban years ago, as did probably anyone else with a basic chemistry background who knows how ridiculously easy it is to build a bomb from household chemicals. I also predicted that such a ban is virtually unenforceable and that it won't do anything to deter anyone from performing similar acts. I'm sick of all of these feel-good measures that serve to bolster public opinion and nothing else. The bottom line is that all this will do is make people think they're safer and make me stand in line longer at the airport next weekend.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It will be interesting to see how well the story line holds up after a week of two of investigation and post traumatic analysis.

Maybe just rumor and inuendo alone is enough to disrupt society - all done without any real weapons as a psycho-ops threat.

Dont you mean after a week of nitpicking and over analyzing with a little bit of conspiracy theory?

No, Mr. Stupid, I maen after the Media Whores drop their sensationalism and the rubber meets the road -
when facts either hold up to scrutiny and are verivied as to the scope of the plot, or they crumble as another blaten sensational over-reaction.

The guy they blew the head off of when he was rushing to board a train is an example of failure to substantiate.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
It will be interesting to see how well the story line holds up after a week of two of investigation and post traumatic analysis.

Maybe just rumor and inuendo alone is enough to disrupt society - all done without any real weapons as a psycho-ops threat.

Dont you mean after a week of nitpicking and over analyzing with a little bit of conspiracy theory?

No, Mr. Stupid, I maen after the Media Whores drop their sensationalism and the rubber meets the road -
when facts either hold up to scrutiny and are verivied as to the scope of the plot, or they crumble as another blaten sensational over-reaction.

The guy they blew the head off of when he was rushing to board a train is an example of failure to substantiate.

Ohh Mr Stupid, original.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Trente

So far 21 suspects - believed to be British citizens, many of Pakistani origin - have been arrested in overnight raids.

Surprise, surprise.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. From what I've heard, some of the Pakistani British kids in UK feel so disillusioned that they've turned into criminals and now potential terrorists--especially after being brainwashed by some extremist mullahs that are given free reign in England. Pakistan itself is even a source of terror sponsorship, they helped nurture Taliban (with Saudi funds) and kept Afghanistan under their thumb of terror for quite a long time. They've also been doing the same thing to India via proxy. Musharaff isn't any different, he's using the West to continue to build his arsenal and nobody is doing anything about it all the while he pays lip service to the US by nabbing a few dumb ass villagers in western pakistan--not the real terrorists because all of them are in the Pakistani ISI/military. Want to get rid of terrorism tomorrow? Ok then here's what you have to do:

1. Overthrow the Saudi leadership and give them real democracy and get rid of their Wahabbi 14th century Arab culture of death and terror that they export (their second largest commodity after oil).
2. Threaten Pakistan with military action unless they finally take care of their ISI proxy terrorism and then have Musharaff step down and let democracy take root again. Solve the Kashmir issue once and for all.
3. Move in with NATO/Lebanese troops and clean out Hezbollah by searching each and every home--not bombing civilians from the sky like Israel does.
4. Get serious about a Palestinian state and create one but make sure there's enough buffer room so that they can't sneak into Israel and blow themselves up (you never know about Pals).
5. Secure our borders once and for all and don't penalize border agents for doing their jobs.

HUH? But.. but.. that actually makes sense!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Ohh Mr Stupid, original.

I'd of gone with Dr. Stupid AKA Stimpson J. Cat. That way even though I was insulting you, if you were familiar with the character, you couldn't help but smile

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: ayabe
This sort of stuff really boggles my mind, what were they hoping to accomplish? I can't comprehend the mindset of these people, I would never be able to kill someone and live with it, let alone hundreds or thousands of people.

The only time I would take a life would be in defense of myself or someone I loved and even then I'm sure I would have issues.

None of this stems from any religious beliefs but just human nature in general, murder of another human being is not a natural act and somehow these people feel that killing a bunch of others who haven't caused harm to them is going to get them closer to God.

Until we "deprogram" these muslim fundamentalists, christian fundies, zionist fundies these problems won't go away. That is the only solution, we can't just bomb their training camps and arrest their mullahs, all it takes is 1-5 guys who are motivated to do harm and there's not much anyone can do to stop them and if we do it's because they were careless.

I think we dodged a bullet on this one.

Just goes to show how detached you are from reality. Those people are out there to get you, and you should have gotten this right at 9/11.

The "Zionist fundies" you mention are the one currently hunting down Hizbullah which is EXACTLY the same people that plan and commit terror around the globe.
Islamic fundamentalists are all the same. They all want war and bloodshed, leave it up to them to find an excuse ("US occupation... Israel... Crusades.." etc).

No Christian or Zionist fundamentalists have tried to blow up 20-something passenger aircrafts. I know you're probably living by the notion that all people are alike and religions must be respected, but that just doesn't hold true with Islam.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Trente

So far 21 suspects - believed to be British citizens, many of Pakistani origin - have been arrested in overnight raids.

Surprise, surprise.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. From what I've heard, some of the Pakistani British kids in UK feel so disillusioned that they've turned into criminals and now potential terrorists--especially after being brainwashed by some extremist mullahs that are given free reign in England. Pakistan itself is even a source of terror sponsorship, they helped nurture Taliban (with Saudi funds) and kept Afghanistan under their thumb of terror for quite a long time. They've also been doing the same thing to India via proxy. Musharaff isn't any different, he's using the West to continue to build his arsenal and nobody is doing anything about it all the while he pays lip service to the US by nabbing a few dumb ass villagers in western pakistan--not the real terrorists because all of them are in the Pakistani ISI/military. Want to get rid of terrorism tomorrow? Ok then here's what you have to do:

1. Overthrow the Saudi leadership and give them real democracy and get rid of their Wahabbi 14th century Arab culture of death and terror that they export (their second largest commodity after oil).
2. Threaten Pakistan with military action unless they finally take care of their ISI proxy terrorism and then have Musharaff step down and let democracy take root again. Solve the Kashmir issue once and for all.
3. Move in with NATO/Lebanese troops and clean out Hezbollah by searching each and every home--not bombing civilians from the sky like Israel does.
4. Get serious about a Palestinian state and create one but make sure there's enough buffer room so that they can't sneak into Israel and blow themselves up (you never know about Pals).
5. Secure our borders once and for all and don't penalize border agents for doing their jobs.

HUH? But.. but.. that actually makes sense!

Lets offer them the first colony on the moon.
No wait they would probably chuck moon rocks at Isreal.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
I know you're probably living by the notion that all people are alike and religions must be respected, but that just doesn't hold true with Islam.

Now that's not right. There are Christian fundies bombing abortion clinics, cults the spin off of Christianity, ect. My next door neighbors are Egyptian Musslims, and the nicest folks you could ever meet. When discussing things with the mother, she always talks about how Islam teaches love and to accept Christians and Jews as children of the same god. She knew about Noah and Moses and Jesus, and said they are all rightous cats as far as she is concerned.

Just because some radical A-holes use Islam as their front, doesn't mean the religion is whacked. Yeah, I've seen the quotes here that make it look pretty drastic, but the bible has the same type of shat in it. Good people who follow both religions don't seem to embrace that part though, it is just those who would subvert the religion for their own manipulative purposes that do.