Poblemo, 300W will carry this system ?

[KrazyHawk]

Hello,

Can The Hec 300Watt (Not Generic!) Carry This System ?


1) AMD Athlon 64 3000 (S-939) + Box
2) Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 (S-939) nForce-4
3) Samsung 512 DDR 3200/400MHZ (256X2-Dual Channel)
4) Gigabyte GeForce-FX 6600-GT 128MB 128BIT (TurboForce)
5) Seagate 80GB 8MB-Buffer JD 7200RPM Serial ATA
6) Nec 3520 X16 Dual Layer DVD-RW (Black)
7) Compucase CI-6a21 Hec 300-Watt (B&B)
8) Samsung 793DF 17" Monitor Silver
+
Panasonic Stereo System AUX conected working 24\7 (2300Watt)

So Can The Hec 300Watt Carry This System Properly, Stable and Safe ?
Or Should I take 410Watt Therlmaltake and lower the MOBO to nForce 3 ?
I have a short budget.

Thanks People.

 

[KrazyHawk]

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[djscribz]

300W will not absolutely not can not carry that system. i have a 350W running my system which is about the same as yours, and i can not run my 6800 GT vid card with stability. I would suggest a minimum of 480W to give you enough power to spare. I would suggest a Thermaltake 480W PSU. The cost runs about 69 bucks on newegg.com. but if you are on a true tight budget, i would suggest a HIGHEND 400W PSU and no less. Antec 400W is a little pricey but will cost about the same as a Thermaltake 480W

 

[megataxi]

Who are you kidden wit that piece of crap you could use 280 watt.
I'm using a 400 watt personaly because i got
geforce6600gt
pf4 motherboard
2.8 gigahertz 800 bus p4 cpu
512 ddr2 memory

 

[akira34]

I would also suggest getting at least a 350-380W PSU for that system. I'd also suggest looking at the 12V rails on the PSU you have, and then compare them to the ones out there (more wattage ratings). With never even hearing the brand you say that 300W PSU is made by, no link provided, it's impossible for me to evaluate it. Since it looks like it came in a cheap case, I wouldn't trust it any further then you could ingest it.

Since you say you're on a short budget, cutting corners in important areas makes even less sense. Do you have the extra money to get replacement hardware when what you're getting fails or doesn't hack it?

I'd get either an Antec or even thermaltake (if you're REALLY tight on money and feel lucky) of at least 380W (400W being better). If you want to 'future proof' your system, then get a 480W or larger. Otherwise, you WILL reach a point where you'll need to replace the PSU and you'll need to figure out what to do with the old one. Also, there ARE decent cases (not that I'd get, but your standards appear to be really low) that come with decent 380-400W (or larger) PSU's...

 

[akira34]

Originally posted by: megataxi
Who are you kidden wit that piece of crap you could use 280 watt.
I'm using a 400 watt personaly because i got
geforce6600gt
pf4 motherboard
2.8 gigahertz 800 bus p4 cpu
512 ddr2 memory

With a crap 300W PSU, it's probably equal to a <200W quality PSU.

Also, the better the PSU, the cleaner the power it provides, the more stable your system will be. Quality PSU's do that at lower wattage ratings than the cheap (POS) PSU's can even dream of.

You can see, in my sig, what a QUALITY 480W PSU has no difficulty powering... I expect to be able to keep using my current PSU until I do my next major upgrade (in 12-18 months). At that time, I'll probably want to get a larger PSU.

 

[KrazyHawk]

OK, First all thanks to Y'all !
I'll do my best to get the - Therlmaltake 410W Passive PFC (W0035), is that a good choise ?

Secondly,

Originally posted by: megataxi
Who are you kidden wit that piece of crap you could use 280 watt.
I'm using a 400 watt personaly because i got
geforce6600gt
pf4 motherboard
2.8 gigahertz 800 bus p4 cpu
512 ddr2 memory

What is so crap in my system ?

 

[akira34]

Originally posted by: KrazyHawk
What is so crap in my system ?

The case...

Of course, you do know that you can get a much better case, with PSU for the same (or less) than getting that POC case and PSU seperate, right? Look at Antec cases, with power supplies, on newegg. Start looking at the ones that come with 350W PSU's, then 380W and then 400W. You can get the case and PSU for under $100 (plus shipping). You might even be able to get that same case (at the same price) locally... Factor in your shipping costs when you look local, since you will need to pay that for an ordered case, but not one you pick up.

BTW, I won't comment about the rest of your hardware, since you ARE going cheap here. I don't go the cheap way out when getting hardware for my rig...

 

[KrazyHawk]

thanks man !
I will take your Advice, if I'll be able to Get some extra Cash.

Becides that, the rest of the hardware is the best bung for my buck ?

thanks for the help,
Roberto.

 

[akira34]

Originally posted by: KrazyHawk
thanks man !
I will take your Advice, if I'll be able to Get some extra Cash.

Becides that, the rest of the hardware is the best bung for my buck ?

thanks for the help,
Roberto.

I wouldn't say 'best bung' unless you're talking about 'hole' at the end there. Gigabyte has lost favor to me. MSI has taken it's place at the top of my list of mobo brands to get.

The 3000+ is the base model 939 pin (90nm) processor.
You're going low on the memory, unless you have NO intent to play games. IMO 512MB is the bare minimum for a computer. For gaming 1GB should be your minimum.
One 80GB hard drive, even a Seagate SATA drive, is also low-balling... Now, if you had a PAIR of them on RAID 0 then it would be decent/ok.
Also, getting a video card with just 128MB on it these days means you'll be looking to get a new one in under a year.
I don't care for NEC burners. Plextor has the only burners (that I know of) that can burn lower rated media at faster speeds. Such as taking 4x +r media and burning it at 8x (my PX-708 does that, as does the new PX-716, a 16x DL dvd burner).

Maybe if you didn't blow your wad on your stereo system you'd be able to get a better computer.

 

[KrazyHawk]

Ok, thanks man.

the stereo system is mine already. i have it for 3 years.

My budget is 1350$ with the monitor.
can you sugest me a better rig for that price?

thanks.

 

[akira34]

Well, you didn't say until now what your actual budget is. I'd rather save up a bit more and do it RIGHT this time then have to do upgrades later. I'd get a Athlon64 3500+ 90nm overthe 3000+ version. Get at least 1GB of CL2 memory (couldn't even FIND the memory you're listing on newegg)... For the video, save up for the 256MB card. 128MB is fine for games put out either early last year or the year before. If you want to play for the next few years, get at least 256MB on there. Go for another hard drive, put it on RAID 0, otherwise you're not really taking advantage of much. Dump the case for something better, that won't make you buy a box of band-aids before you start putting your computer together.

Also, this is a better idea over the CRT. As is this one. With that 17" CRT, you'll be VERY lucky to get 16" viewable. You'll get better results from either of the LCD's linked above, especially the 17" (a TRUE 17" viewable).

For mobo's...
Wait for it...
Or even better yet

My minimum build spec's might not fit into your low budget, but by getting better hardware now, you spend less in upgrades later. I probably won't be doing any significant/major upgrades to my current rig for at least 12-18 months. Even then, I'll be able to keep a healthy chunk of what I have now, since it will still be in good working order.

 

[KrazyHawk]

how much does it al sums up ?

 

[CraigRT]

If the HEC power supply is indeed a Sparke. (SPI) then it might be able to do it just fine.
Those are great power supplies, I use them in builds all the time.

The latest was an A64 2800 system with a 9800pro, 1 gig ram 160gig drive, dvdRW and dvdrom drives, and it powers it all without a hitch.

my last SPI 300W powered my dual Mp1800+ with a 9800 pro, 2 hdd, 2 optical, again without problem. Give it a try.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: KrazyHawk

OK, First all thanks to Y'all !
I'll do my best to get the - Therlmaltake 410W Passive PFC (W0035), is that a good choise ?

Secondly,

quote:
Originally posted by: megataxi
Who are you kidden wit that piece of crap you could use 280 watt.
I'm using a 400 watt personaly because i got
geforce6600gt
pf4 motherboard
2.8 gigahertz 800 bus p4 cpu
512 ddr2 memory



What is so crap in my system ?

Thanks People.

A good 300 watt PSU can power that system, check the amp rating on the 12v rail 14-16 amps should be sufficient. If you are going to get a different PSU don't get a Thermaltake, you can get much better for the money.

The rest of your system is fine but I would get a better monitor, LCD or CRT. Also, why not go with the A64 over the P4?

 

[djscribz]

when buying your new rig, be sure that the video card is 256mb and is running on a 256bit chip. The difference is about 200 bucks in terms of the cards and the performance is a huge difference. if you are a gamer, i would suggest getting high performance ram from Crucial, OCZ, or Corsair. i personally run on 1gb ddr pc-3200 Corsair XMS low-latency ram with platinum heat spreaders. im always the first person in game when playing counter-strike: source, and im usually waiting a good 1-2mins before others are in.

 

[InlineFive]

I would keep the motherboard at an NF4 and buy a Seasonic S12 or Fortron Blue Storm. Both are good power supplies.

As I was reading the thread title I thought, "is he asking for my help specifically?"

 

[render]

You better spend more $$ for your PSU. ($80 - $130)

Kingston 1GB PC 3200 400 MHz 2x512MB Dual Channel Model

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/3956148

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: KrazyHawk
Ok, thanks man.

the stereo system is mine already. i have it for 3 years.

My budget is 1350$ with the monitor.
can you sugest me a better rig for that price?

thanks.

ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte/Chaintech Ultra $129 - ~$150 Futureproof.

AMD 64 winny 3000+ $155 Much better fore gaming and most other things (can be overclocked in the future when you learn more about it -- upto ~3500)

ACER AL1912b 19"
$314 .. This is a nice monitor. 16ms response time means its _very_ good for gaming. Plus its 19" (much better for future proofing the whole system) You might even want to keep this one for yourself.

Corsair Value Select (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 512MBx2 DDR PC-3200 - OEM $139

Seagate 80 GB Barracuda 7200RPM SATA II with NCQ $72 Leave NCQ off till the bugs are sorted out. It will be a nice feature.

Optorite 16X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive with Beige and Black Bezels $59 Futureproof.

Case $60 - Make sure the case comes with a GOOD POWER SUPPLY. 400Watts should be enough, and make sure the aps on the 12v line is at least over 18-20. Also, make sure its by a good company. Antec is a good one to start. You do not want to get a cheap powersupply. It may catch fire. Find a good one!

XP Home OEM $90 - You may want virus protection as well.
KB/Mouse $30
Leadtek nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT $195 Runs 1. Faster 2. Less noise 3. Less hot. than most other 6600GT cards

Under $1200

Original post byme in this link page #2 http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

 

[Slaimus]

HEC power supplies are as generic as they come. That is probably why no major company rebrands them as their own. Their Orion "D" series are the only ones worth buying for any new system.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. The referenced psu is maybe a little light for the system specified, given the power hungry vidcard. There's also a lot of difference between the 6600 and 6800 in terms of power requirements, the latter being very hungry.

HEC isn't crap, at all, actually being rebadged as the Antec SL series at this point in time... They manufacture their own, they're not from the fortron/sparkle family.

If you want something with more than enough power in a midprice range, then look at the 430w Inwins, like this one-

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-108-327&depa=1

Definitely a fortron manufactured psu- I've never known Inwin to use anything else...

Even one of their 300w models would likely do the job, but I'd hesitate to make that recommendation if you intend to overclock or make additional power demands.

 

[Slaimus]

Antec only uses some of HEC/compucase's cases for the SLK line. Their power supplies are all from CWT.